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is there a heaven?
'where' is it?
what is it like?
is there a hell?
what does it take to get into either?

"is there a heaven?
'where' is it?
what is it like?
is there a hell?
what does it take to get into either?"-Rob

I fink, well I'm programed to fink, that there is a heaven. Other wise there really isint any point to anything.

Where is it you ask? well it might be under you bed but chances are it isnt. I beleive that heaven isint just a 'place' I belive it is everywere, in everything from the trees, to the breeze, to inbetween the atmosphere and space. But of course I could be wrong the only way we will ever know is when we die.

what is it like, you wonder? well its like haveing sex, that pleasurable feeling you get when your happy, complete satisfaction with no worries at all, an over wealming joy and openess, fullfilment, for your never be hungry for mans sins again, like lyeing on downfeathered pillows, that overwealming feeling you get when something opens up you heart and grasps you to never let go, love to its fullest.

That my friend is what heaven is like.

Is there a hell, you pounder? Yes, other wise heaven would be a free ticket to hawaii. For every good there is a greater evil. Just like black is the oposite of white, there must always be an aposing threat, like war, other wise they both would be nonexistant.

What does it take to get into either? Well everything comes with a price, heaven and hell are no exceptions to the rule. How else would you get into the movie theater with out giveing something up. Just like in basketball there are rules to how you play the game to get into the champonship. It take love, purity, respect, goodness and all other 'light' to get into heaven. You have to work your hardest for the greater reward and this is the highest reward you could ever get.

Hell on the other hand you dont have to do anything at all but what you desire. But again it comes with a hufty price. Your soul, your body, your will to be you. Because of this you are exposed to more horrer than the most grusom of films. And in this you will suffer pain never felt in your human body.

Again its the oposite. Be punished now by not induldging in human pleasures and be rewarded later or induldg now and be punished later.

To eat the cookie or not to eat the cookie thats the question.

What you do is up to you to find your meaning and perpose. I prefer to not eat the cookie before super.

It is 2.49 hours into the earlie morning so please excuse my oh so 'perfect' spelling.

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Originally posted by Lothar of The Hill People:
I want to do some research on the topic before I post a response.

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2)The location of heaven is something we may never understand untill we die.

3)Heaven is a place of eternal paradise.

4)Some belive hell exists and some do not.

5)Heaven is for those who are pure in heart and
hell is for those who are not.

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Originally posted by Lor:
what is it like, you wonder? well its like haveing sex.

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Please make your analogies relate to an actual experience Rob has had...

Now why would I wanna go anywhere other than hell?

id love to believe in it -- it sounds like a blast! it just... i dunno. doesnt make sense, or something.

when i was little, my mom would tell me that heaven was a place so wonderful, that you wouldnt ever want or need anything. ...

... and i just remember thinking "you mean they dont have nintendo?" ... and i was actually kinda deperessed.

years after, i was talking to this priest and relayed him that little story, and he told me that he is still upset cuz he was told there's no food in heaven -- and he added "you mean i cant eat a really good plate of spaghetti anymore??" ... and even THAT was upsetting to hear -- i LIKE eating!

and i sure as hell like having sex ... DAMN do i like sex. and mebbe phrasing it with "sure as hell" wasnt the smartest moves, but... c'mon

i dunno...

there's this whole philosophy that we're actually ON (in?) heaven right now. that THIS is "as good as it gets." nature, and human kindness, etc, etc...

i can remember one of my friends telling me he didnt believe in heaven when we were pretty young... and i just remember feeling sorry for him. like now, his life was all empty, and he had zilch to look forward to.

later on, i also realized it left zilch for him to regret cuz now, he could steal or fuck or sin or whatever he wanted to. and, if he was right, and i was wrong... then maybe i was wasting all these great opportunities for stuff!

in college, we were reading various interpretations of religious texts in my honors class. dante and such described heaven in a way that it was built into like this club, with levels and/or layers.

one of the layers, one of the less extravagant ones, was for good people who were born before jesus (in the time of 'llance'). and, because they were born before jesus' time, they obviously couldnt believe in him. and since they didnt believe in him, they couldnt have all the great stuff heaven had to offer.

wull that just sucks!! what the fuck, they didnt even have the option of believing in him -- they didnt even know!

so, does that mean jews are screwed out of heaven? or what about those australian aborigionees? native americans? what happens to them??

and how good do you have to be to get into heaven? what are the qualifications? 2-3 years eperience? 4 years education? type 60 words per minute?

i dont get it. if he's a god that loves us, even if we sin, why would he draw the line somewhere? especially after its already established in the bible and koran (etc) that we're ALL sinners! is there really a st. peter who says "well, robert, you sinned 38 times, but... thomas, there, he only sinned 37 times. he's in"

i just dunno about any of this.

i REALLY wish i did. i really wish i could believe and have faith as blindly as i did when i was younger. when i was younger, i didnt need to ask questions, or find out 'why' -- i just did. and not because i had to, because "i just did!"

and for whatever reason, i dont have that 'luxury' now. ... and that stinks.

or maybe I read too many comics

Should drag the Primary Existentialist, Cliffy, over here for this. He says humans are ultimately meat machines, and that there are no such things as souls, nor a purpose to life. His argument is extremely persuasive.

As a pending father, I have recently discovered my life is much more fulfilled. As a thinking animal but nonetheless an animal we are here to perpetuate ourselves.

There is no spiritual reward for this. At death, there is nothing.

Which means enjoy yourself while you can.

I am prevented from amoral behaviour (from no fear of divine retribution) because I think I have a moral duty to leave the world in a better place than I found it. But even then I recognise that that duty is ingrained in me by my upbringing, not by some sort of God-imposed imperative.

I dont know if its because I've been away from the church fer so long or what, but all I know is when I was little my mom had us become a member of an native american tribe. And I loved it I felt whole, I felt like I had a meaning in life. Granted they didnt teach anything different than what the church did but it was outside and more spritual instead of scareing you into thinking straight and goodness, plus no verses to memorize. (woo!)

Also we ended up moveing and I never got the full teachings and ways. But it left a mark on me that will never fade, I've learned so much about being 'one' or whatever you want to call it with things, nature, myself. Its wonderful. But again I'm lost, traped, between to 'worlds' so yeah I'm pretty darn confussed about stuff.