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DC’s new Superman revamp will be based on an event that alters the past and creates three separate timelines, giving the creators on each book complete freedom to write the stories they want without worrying about continuity. True or false? Read about it here: silverbulletcomicbooks.comTitled: Time can do so much...(near the bottom of the article) It sounds great to me.
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I'm told DC's new Superman revamp will be based on an event that alters the past and creates three separate timelines, giving the creators on each book complete freedom to write the stories they want without worrying about continuity.
My source says the Brian Azzarello and Jim Lee Superman will operate in a world without Lois Lane. She'll be dead, allowing for more violent and dark yarns. In the Chuck Austen and Ivan Reis Action Comics it will pretty much be the status quo. Lois is alive and she's married to Superman/Clark Kent. In Adventures of Superman written by Greg Rucka and illustrated by Matthew Clark, Lois and Clark aren't married and she doesn't know about his secret identity. This book will apparently revive the love triangle concept.
All three Supermen will live in Metropolis simultaneously, but will have no knowledge of the alternate timelines. I hear this split will set up a big crossover at the end of 2004 pitting the three Supermen against each other.
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Didn't we have a Crisis to keep crap like this from happening again?
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Yup. About time for a new one, I'd say.
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Especially with stuff like this looming on the horizon...
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It's all about choice, gentlemen. The choice to be able to read ONE Superman comic a month rather than having to read all of them due to interconnectedness.
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It seems pretty simple to me.
In FACT I think it’s such a GREAT idea that I am having difficulty believing it’s true or that ANYONE currently associated with the Superman franchise came up with it.
It’s this straightforward:
Buy the Superman YOU like.
You can now STOP buying the ones you don't like in order to keep up with what Superman is doing with or for his wife.
Unless you like the wife angle and then you can buy Austen's adolescent soap opera pap over in the ACTION title.
I seriously doubt they will use this as a gauge by which to judge the Superman books. Jim Lee will undoubtably bring a disproportionate amount of fans to the SUPERMAN title just for his art.
But shy of launching an “Ultimate” type of Superman book I think this is a fresh and refreshing idea.
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I was gonna buy the Azzarello/Lee run based on the creative team anyway. I could care less about what "time line" its set in, though now I have to disregard everything I already own - including The Wedding Album and Superman/Bugs Bunny - just to be able to read the new stuff.
Also, how are other titles featuring Supes and his "family" - i.e. JLA, Superman/Batman, and Teen Titans (Superboy) - gonna handle all this?
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Also, how are other titles featuring Supes and his "family" - i.e. JLA, Superman/Batman, and Teen Titans (Superboy) - gonna handle all this?
I would think they would keep the more "current" Superman. You never know though.
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It seems pretty simple to me.
In FACT I think it’s such a GREAT idea that I am having difficulty believing it’s true or that ANYONE currently associated with the Superman franchise came up with it...But shy of launching an “Ultimate” type of Superman book I think this is a fresh and refreshing idea.
I think Birthright was supposed to be that "Ultimate" book...until DC started treating it like the proverbial redheaded stepchild, that is.
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Wasnt this the reason the Elseworlds imprint was created to stop stupid shit like this happening?
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Honestly... They can't tell good stories with ONE Supes, so they think adding two more is going to help? I blame UltiMAXvel for THAT concept... But I blame DC more for such a craptacular interpretation!  
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Creative freedom without the straitjacketed tight inter-title continuity of the last decade and a half will mean better stories in the long run. They're actually getting some good writers on the Superman books now -- something nigh-impossible under the old conditions. It's a good sign. I hope it succeeds.
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Creative freedom without the straitjacketed tight inter-title continuity of the last decade and a half will mean better stories in the long run. They're actually getting some good writers on the Superman books now -- something nigh-impossible under the old conditions. It's a good sign. I hope it succeeds.
Yeah... if they'd just let Waid, Morrison, Millar, and Peyer have their way with the Super-titles in 1998, they probably wouldn't be in this shape right now.
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There's one reason why this idea could be interpreted as shitty, and that's the fact that it fucks up "the" continuity.
But, seriously, who gives a damn about one big tight continuity anymore? Besides MOTA, I mean.
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But, seriously, who gives a damn about one big tight continuity anymore? Besides MOTA, I mean.
Do you think MOTA is Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons? 
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I hear this split will set up a big crossover at the end of 2004 pitting the three Supermen against each other.
This is the part that worries me the most... 
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I've never liked the concept of a hero battling himself. A doppleganger or someone with similar powers? Sure. But not a hero battling himself. In my opinion, it's a contrived Pre-Crisis solution, leading to questions like "Could Azzarrello's Superman beat up Rucka's?" or "What would happen if we killed all but the one that we were using before and just call this thing an experiment?" I just don't really care for these kinds of things. Call me crazy, but I rarely like crossovers. They have to be pretty friggin' astronomical for me to buy 'em - like JLA/Avengers (which I'm not really all that keen on, truth be told) or Marvel vs. DC (which I pretty much hated the ending to and the voting system used).
Basically, it's a matter of personal preference, but I just dislike it very much.
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In my opinion, it's a contrived Pre-Crisis solution
If it was really a "pre-Crisis solution", the Supermen wouldn't fight -- they'd team up and find whoever was responsible for tampering with the timelines. Since the "Marvel-ization" of DC Comics post-Crisis, though, typical Marvel-type "hero vs. hero" battles -- very rare in DC books pre-Crisis, and almost nonexistent before the '70s -- became more common in DC books. So it's more of a "Marvel solution" than anything. In my opinion, natch.
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Good points. I am not sure yet how I feel about all this. I guess I'll just wait and see.
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I wish theyd bring back the Super horse.
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not that i have a thing for horses....
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Let me be the first to say
FUCKING GAY
Seriously. It's a beautiful idea, and I am ready to embrace the fact that there is three different Supermen. But no way in hell will I ever agree to read a crossover betweent them. I had planned on reading all three when the creative changes happened, but if this whole crossover thing is true I'm done. Through with Superman.
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I still only plan on collecting AOS. So, this just means that Rucka will have more freedom to tell a better story, which will kick the other two books collective asses.
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But, seriously, who gives a damn about one big tight continuity anymore? Besides MOTA, I mean.
Do you think MOTA is Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons?
Does CBG really deserve that level of insult?
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I still only plan on collecting AOS. So, this just means that Rucka will have more freedom to tell a better story, which will kick the other two books collective asses.
Myself, I'm only interested in Superman. Azzarrello and Lee are basically a dream team of sorts...
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And then there's me. I'm only interested in back issues, reprints, archives and TPBs ranging with stories from '38-'99 at the moment. Why? Berganza has a super power, we just didn't know it. That power? By the very mention of his name, hope, hope for a better comic, is destroyed.
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...and I'm only interested in Kurt Schaffenberger drawn comics, which means Lois Lane from the 60s!
Nobody could draw Lois like Schaffenberger!
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If DC has a hope in hell, they need to attract new readership, you know, kids. Kids who will continue to read comics as they grow up. Does anyone at DC think that impenetrably craptastic, convoluted storylines will attract new readers?
The Marvel approach works-for Marvel! DC needs to be different and write better stories to survive as more than a branch of the WB toy line!
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If DC has a hope in hell, they need to attract new readership, you know, kids. Kids who will continue to read comics as they grow up. Does anyone at DC think that impenetrably craptastic, convoluted storylines will attract new readers?
I don't know, but I do know that those who zealously cling to the notion of a rigid, inflexible continuity don't give two figs about bringing in new readers. They're convinced that they alone are the lifeblood of the industry, and they're dead-set against any fresh perspectives coming in. And I'm not just talking about MOTA here. There's a guy at the DC site called Shatterstorm who's been savagely vocal in his demands that DC dig their heels in and maintain the status quo and that "new readers be damned, I want the books to be written for me!" (Direct quotes from late 2002; his opinion hasn't changed over time.) He's opposed to DC shaking things up because he's afraid that bringing in new readers and fresh blood would mean that he wouldn't enjoy the books anymore. For a time, he was every bit the troll that MOTA is.
If any new blood is to come in (which it needs to), the continuity zealots are going to have to get out of the way. Otherwise the medium WILL die out. And sooner or later, DC is going to have to realize this, or else WB might just decide to shut them down and use the characters purely for licensing (as was alleged might happen to Marvel during the last few months of Jemas' reign). Something's got to give here.
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DC’s new Superman revamp will be based on an event that alters the past and creates three separate timelines, giving the creators on each book complete freedom to write the stories they want without worrying about continuity.
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thanks stupid dogg. I'm actually priting that quote out and am going to use it at work today.
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It's all about choice, gentlemen. The choice to be able to read ONE Superman comic a month rather than having to read all of them due to interconnectedness.
Or the choice to not read any of it.
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Creative freedom without the straitjacketed tight inter-title continuity of the last decade and a half will mean better stories in the long run. They're actually getting some good writers on the Superman books now -- something nigh-impossible under the old conditions. It's a good sign. I hope it succeeds.
I would agree if I thought there was going to be a long run for this. It's just like Disco Blue Superman. A contrived gimmick to try to jumpstart sales. They don't know what to do with the charactr so "big names" and "gimmicks" it is.
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In my opinion, it's a contrived Pre-Crisis solution
If it was really a "pre-Crisis solution", the Supermen wouldn't fight -- they'd team up and find whoever was responsible for tampering with the timelines. Since the "Marvel-ization" of DC Comics post-Crisis, though, typical Marvel-type "hero vs. hero" battles -- very rare in DC books pre-Crisis, and almost nonexistent before the '70s -- became more common in DC books. So it's more of a "Marvel solution" than anything. In my opinion, natch.
In the very first meeting between the Golden and Silver Age Supermen, they fought. Supes has also battled Captain Marvel (and various knockoffs) as well as WW, Dr. Fate, Green Lantern, and Batman. All well before the so called "post Crisis Marvelization" you mention.
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It's a great idea, but the fact is, you're going to have to read them all if you want to read the crossover. That's stupid. If it's going to be three, stick with three. Not for six goddam months.
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