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ET Visitors: Scientists See High Likelihood
Fri Jan 14, 1:44 PM ET

Leonard David, Senior Space Writer, SPACE.com

    Decades ago, it was physicist Enrico Fermi who pondered the issue of extraterrestrial civilizations with fellow theorists over lunch, generating the famous quip: "Where are they?" That question later became central to debates about the cosmological census count of other star folk and possible extraterrestrial (ET) visitors from afar.

    Fermi's brooding on the topic was later labeled "Fermi's paradox". It is a well-traveled tale from the 1950's when the scientist broached the subject in discussions with colleagues in Los Alamos, New Mexico. Thoughts regarding the probability of earthlike planets, the rise of highly advanced civilizations "out there", and interstellar travel -- these remain fodder for trying to respond to Fermi's paradox even today.

    Now a team of American scientists note that recent astrophysical discoveries suggest that we should find ourselves in the midst of one or more extraterrestrial civilizations. Moreover, they argue it is a mistake to reject all UFO reports since some evidence for the theoretically-predicted extraterrestrial visitors might just be found there.

    The researchers make their proposal in the January/February 2005 issue of the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society (JBIS).

    Curious situation

    Pick up any good science magazine and you're sure to see the latest in head-scratching ideas about superstring theory, wormholes, or the stretching of spacetime itself. Meanwhile, extrasolar planetary detection is on the verge of becoming mundane.

    "We are in the curious situation today that our best modern physics and astrophysics theories predict that we should be experiencing extraterrestrial visitation, yet any possible evidence of such lurking in the UFO phenomenon is scoffed at within our scientific community," contends astrophysicist Bernard Haisch.

    Haisch along with physicists James Deardorff, Bruce Maccabee and Harold Puthoff make their case in the JBIS article: "Inflation-Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation".

    The scientists point to two key discoveries made by Australian astronomers and reported last year that there is a "galactic habitable zone" in our Milky Way Galaxy. And more importantly that Earth's own star, the Sun, is relatively young in comparison to the average star in this zone -- by as much as a billion years.

    Therefore, the researchers explain in their JBIS article that an average alien civilization would be far more advanced and have long since discovered Earth. Additionally, other research work on the supposition underlying the Big Bang -- known as the theory of inflation -- shores up the prospect, they advise, that our world is immersed in a much larger extraterrestrial civilization.

    Point-to-point distances

    Given billion-year advanced physics, might not buzzing around the galaxy be possible?

    Even today superstring theory hypothesizes other dimensions... which could be habitable Universes adjacent to our own, the researchers speculate. It might even be possible to get around the speed of light limit by moving in and out of these dimensions.

    "What we have done is somewhat of a breakthrough," Haisch told SPACE.com. "We have pulled together various recent discoveries and theoretical issues that collectively point to the strong probability that we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations," he said.

    Haisch said that superstring dimensions and wormhole and spacetime stretching possibilities address the "can't get here from there" objection often argued in view of the interstellar, point-to-point distances involved. Also, diffusion models predict that even a single civilization could spread across the Galaxy in a tiny fraction of the age of the Galaxy - even at sub-light speeds, he said.

    ET signature in the data

    Can the scientific community bring itself to consider any evidence coming from mysterious sightings of strange things by the public?

    In large measure, the scientific community seemingly has eyed ET visitation as far from being serious stuff to cogitate over. Why so?

    "The dismissal has several causes, all reinforcing each other," Haisch responded. "Most of
    the observations are probably misinterpretations, delusions and hoaxes. I have seen people get confused by Venus or even Sirius when it is flashing colors low in the sky under the right conditions. Having been turned off by this, most scientists never bother to look any further, and so are simply blissfully ignorant that there may be more to it," he said.

    Deardorff, the lead author of the JBIS article, points out in a press statement: "It would take some humility for the scientific community to suspend its judgment and take at least some of the high quality reports seriously enough to investigatebut I hope we can bring ourselves to do that."

    According to Haisch, there is a motivation not just for scientific tolerance of the UFO issue, but a strong scientific prediction that there ought to be some genuine ET signature in the data.

    "This potentially changes the relationship of the UFO phenomenon to science in a significant way. It takes away the 'not invented here' prejudice, pointing out that a 'yes' to ET visitation is exactly what side our current physics and astrophysics theories would come down on as the most likely situation," Haisch concluded.

    Visit SPACE.com for more space-related news including videos, launch coverage and interactive experiences. Check out our huge collection of Image Galleries and Satellite Views from Space. Follow the latest developments in the search for life in our universe in our SETI: Search for Life section. Sign up for our free daily email newsletter today!

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I would've posted the Drake equation in here but the proper symbols are hard to find and UBBCode won't let you put them all into a post.


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The odds are pretty good.......I mean just take a look around these boards.

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If there is intelligent life out there, it's probably too intelligent to want to come here.


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Over all I would they are pretty good, but I believe the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.

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If scientists could develop a spacecraft capable of a constant acceleration of 1 g (9/8 meters/sec squared), it would reach .999999999999% lightspeed (almost 180,000 miles per second) within 6 months. Man could make a round-trip journey to Alpha Centauri in as little as 9 years; or explore the 25 nearest stars within a single lifetime.

Course, with time dilation, we'd all be dead and gone. Would make for a neat story idea, though... Spaceship crew travelling at near-lightspeed radios back their reports every six weeks... but to the recipients on Earth, the reports come in every six years...

I'm inclined to agree with Darknight613... If they're sufficiently advanced enough to be a spacefaring culture, complete with FTL drive... then they probably regard us as little more than a planet full of savages. Check my old thread, "Earth is the Galaxy's Alabama" for a deeper explanation.

Yeah, they're out there. But the gulf between stars is so immense, and the laws of physics so irritatingly hard to bend, that they're probably either a) too far away to notice us, or b) they just don't care.


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Not necessarily savages. As lifeforms, they definitely went through technological evolutionary stages as well. Whose to say that they wouldn't view us more as infants.

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I was convinced that there's alien life when I met Screech.

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It was overused the first time he posted it.


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I don't see why ANY advanced race would want anything to do with us. Maybe they would observe us, but if I were an alien, far more advanced than us, I would very quickly become bored and disgusted with humans. We're far too violent and backwards a species. Hell, we'll be damn fortunate if a SUPER advanced race doesn't decide to blow up our planet because they viewed us as being a dead end spcies, similar to the Dinosuars.

Perhaps we HAVE ben visited by aliens. Perhaps the laws of physics CAN be bent or altered, or they are actually far different than our primitive minds can comprehend, enabling faster than light travel. But I DO believe we are NOT the only intelligent lifeforms in the entire universe.


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Careful, Sammitch. Don't overuse that pic.




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It was overused the first time he posted it.




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