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It's fun watching you do your "thing" as usual too G-man. Guess it's a bonus that we're both enjoying this 
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If by "thing" you mean "correcting the record," why, yes. Thank you.
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PJP wasn't being serious G-man.
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Yes I was! Stop putting words in my mouth!
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That's not all he wants to put in your mouth, P. 
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I'm still very much gay so neither of you have to worry about me having anything to do with your mouths.
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The NY Times reports: After months of conflicting signals on abortion, Rudolph W. Giuliani is planning to offer a forthright affirmation of his support for abortion rights in public forums, television appearances and interviews in the coming days, despite the potential for bad consequences among some conservative voters already wary of his views, aides said yesterday. The article goes on to describe how the campaign is hoping that early primaries in big states such as New Jersey, Florida, New York and California will provide an opening for a moderate Republican of Giuliani's stature, even if he has trouble in the more socially conservative states such as Iowa and South Carolina. The story continues: Mr. Giuliani hinted at what aides said would be his uncompromising position on abortion rights yesterday in Huntsville, Ala., where he was besieged with questions about abortion and his donations to Planned Parenthood. “Ultimately, there has to be a right to chose,” he said.
Asked if Republicans would accept that, he said, “I guess we are going to find out.” Yes, we will. Although running as an unequivocally pro-choice candidate is obviously a huge risk in a Republican primary, and some would say political suicide, this is probably the best of the options Giuliani has open to him at this point. Those who vote primarily on abortion will not be satisfied unless he is pro-life, and it is impossible for him to take that position without committing the flip flop of the century. His past statements and his record on the issue are a given. It's pretty clear that his attempts to mollify social conservatives (i.e. talking about how much he hates abortion) haven't won him fans in the pro-life community either. Instead, his nuanced statements have caused more confusion. At this point, it's hard to see how being unapologetically pro-choice will cost him that much more support than he has already lost by muddling the issue. So, I don't see much downside risk in this new strategy. On the upside, by having one clear answer to the abortion question, it will cut down on the confusion, which in turn may reduce the amount of time he has to spend explaining himself on an issue that he would obviously prefer not to talk about. At the same time, at least by taking a clear stand, he'll come across once again as the self-confident straight-shooting Rudy that many people find appealing. This is not to suggest that the issue will cease to be a problem for him, but it's the best play he can make.
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the best thing about Rudy being the main candidate (which seems likely) is that he would push the religious right out of the process like it used to be. Then we'd have a bit more substance instead of the "morals" bullshit Bush used to narrowly win in 2004.
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You forgot to switch back to you Ray Adler alt for that one, P.
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the G-man said: After months of conflicting signals on abortion, Rudolph W. Giuliani is planning to offer a forthright affirmation of his support for abortion rights in public forums, television appearances and interviews in the coming days, despite the potential for bad consequences among some conservative voters already wary of his views, aides said yesterday
Giuliani's abortion speech today to the Houston Baptist University, as related by the Associated Press:
"I have profound respect for your views," he said. "I have profound respect for your education, and I have profound respect for your religion." But, he said, it is uniquely American to disagree on some political issues while agreeing on many others.
"We understand how to respect each other's differences," he said.
According to the AP account, his speech was warmly received, although several religious conservatives in attendance were cited as saying they wouldn't vote for him.
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In Private Sector, Giuliani Parlayed Fame Into Wealth Candidate's Firm Has Taken On Controversial Executives, Clients By John Solomon and Matthew Mosk Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, May 13, 2007; A01 On Dec. 7, 2001, nearly three months after the terrorist attack that had made him a national hero and a little over three weeks before he would leave office, New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani took the first official step toward making himself rich.
The letter he dispatched to the city Conflicts of Interest Board that day asked permission to begin forming a consulting firm with three members of his outgoing administration. The company, Giuliani said, would provide "management consulting service to governments and business" and would seek out partners for a "wide-range of possible business, management and financial services" projects.
Over the next five years, Giuliani Partners earned more than $100 million, according to a knowledgeable source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the firm's financial information is private. And that success helped transform the Republican considered the front-runner for his party's 2008 presidential nomination from a moderately well-off public servant into a globe-trotting consultant whose net worth is estimated to be in the tens of millions of dollars.
In crafting its image, the firm took care to burnish its most valuable asset: the worldwide reputation Giuliani had earned for his composure and leadership in the days after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. "No client is ever approved or worked on without a full discussion with Rudy," said the firm's senior managing partner, Michael D. Hess, former corporation counsel for the city of New York.
Not surprisingly, a firm that markets Giuliani and is run by Giuliani has taken on the characteristics of the politician, who even by New York standards was known for his self-confidence and sometimes defiant insistence on doing things his way.
Famously loyal, Giuliani chose as his partners longtime associates, including a former police commissioner later convicted of corruption, a former FBI executive who admitted taking artifacts from Ground Zero and a former Roman Catholic priest accused of covering up sexual abuse in the church.
Giuliani, grounded in the intricately connected world of New York politics, has been more than adept at making the system work for his clients. They have included a pharmaceutical company that, with Giuliani's help, resolved a lengthy Drug Enforcement Administration investigation with only a fine; a confessed drug smuggler who hired Giuliani to ensure his security company could do business with the federal government; and the horse racing industry, eager to recover public confidence after a betting scandal.
Clients of Giuliani Partners are required to sign confidentiality agreements, so they do not comment about the work they receive or how much they are paying for it. Though now running for president, Giuliani refuses to identify his clients, disclose his compensation or reveal any details about Giuliani Partners. He also declined to be interviewed about the firm.
Because of this secrecy -- a request to visit his wood-paneled offices overlooking Times Square was turned down -- a complete picture of the firm and its business is difficult to obtain. This report is based on a review of corporate, government and court records, along with scores of interviews with clients and government officials who have interacted with Giuliani Partners. ...
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So he won't even allow to be interviewed about this firm. There seems to be very little of him that isn't off limits from his private life to his private sector work.
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The Club for Growth is out with its report on Rudy's fiscal record, and he is given high marks: Despite powerful local obstacles, Giuliani was able to significantly cut taxes; hold spending increases down below the rates of inflation and population growth; overhaul the welfare system; deregulate and privatize many local government services; and join the fight for school choice. These accomplishments played a crucial role in transforming New York City from an economic basket case into a thriving economy.
The most important question is what Giuliani’s mayoral tenure tells us about how he would govern if elected president. The answer is not clear cut, as some of his local positions are worrisome and some of his federal positions are still unknown. Nonetheless, one cannot help but conclude that if Giuliani could accomplish the pro-growth record he did in the hostile environment of New York City, the potential for him to accomplish even more amid the more politically balanced federal government is great. This is very good news for Rudy. The fact that the Club for Growth, which has no qualms about criticizing Republicans when they deviate from small government principles, extensively researched his record and came away with the conclusion that "Giuliani's economic accomplishments are remarkable," goes a long way in helping him.
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Times: Giuliani seized control after 9/11, acted as a 'benevolent dictator' RAW STORY Published: Sunday May 13, 2007 A story in tomorrow's New York Times (reg. req.) is highly criticial of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's handling of the recovery operation in New York City following 9/11, claiming that his desire to downplay problems and return the city to a semblance of normality as quickly as possible has led to serious health problems for many of those who worked at ground zero.
The Times also charges that Giuliani sidelined experienced federal officials from FEMA, OSHA and the Army Corps of Engineers, placing the cleanup instead in the hands of "a largely unknown city agency" that offered "a generally slipshod, haphazard, uncoordinated, unfocused response to environmental concerns." According to the Times, "one Army Corps official said Giuliani acted like a 'benevolent dictator.'" RAW
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POL SUPPORT GIVES RUDY A 'HOME' RUNNearly all of New York's Republican state legislators will endorse Rudy Giuliani for president next week, The Post has learned.
Giuliani plans to do a fly-around tour of Albany and upstate on Tuesday to receive support from state senators and Assembly members, including Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno (R-Rensselaer) and Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco (R-Schenectady). Cool. I'll have to give my local State Senator a call and see if he's one of the guys Rudy will be visiting. I ought to be able to wrangle an invite if he is.
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Nearly all of New York's Republican state legislators will endorse Rudy Giuliani for president next week, The Post has learned.
Giuliani plans to do a fly-around tour of Albany and upstate on Tuesday to receive support from state senators and Assembly members, including Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno (R-Rensselaer) and Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco (R-Schenectady).
Cool. I'll have to give my local State Senator a call and see if he's one of the guys Rudy will be visiting. I ought to be able to wrangle an invite if he is.
"home run?" is that anything like a "slam dunk?" 
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Only in San Francisco does one automatically equate "home" with "slamming". 
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Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Rudy Giuliani is continuing to slide in the polls as he is plagued by more criticism over his position on abortion. The former New York City mayor has drawn strong opposition because of his pro-abortion views, but recent flaps about supporting taxpayer funding for abortions and donations to Planned Parenthood haven't helped.
A new CNN poll shows Giuliani has dropped a large nine percentage points from March to May -- going from 34 percent nationally to just 23 percent.
Virtually every other candidate has gained or stayed the same in the poll and benefited from the ex-mayor's slide. ...
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and here is an interesting bit that makes the case that Rudy is having similar problems that Democratic candidate Dukakis had when he ran against the Bush Sr.
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...George Bush 41, in a seeming alignment with the philosophies of his predecessor, Ronald Reagan, had defined himself so clearly as a candidate that Dukakis was unable to wiggle past the boundaries Bush had established. As a result, Dukakis moved first to the right, and then to the left, in desperate attempts to find a position that would put him ahead.
Ultimately, it became patently obvious to the public that his constantly changing stances were merely a ploy, especially when they completely contradicted his phony persona of previous weeks.
Unfortunately for consummate Republican pragmatists, the GOP is no more immune to the adverse effects of such tactics than are the Democrats. If anything, Republicans are even more vulnerable since, at the most inopportune moment, the liberal media will publicly dissect any discrepancies in their stated platform.
At the point that a candidate finds himself on opposite sides of the same issue over such a short period of time, he is essentially campaigning against himself. It did not work for Michael Dukakis in 1988. Nor is it any more likely to be successful in an era in which alternative media and the Internet will guarantee that any inconsistencies on the issues will eventually be put under the bright lights. ...
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I've said it before, Rudy has no chance because of the christian right. Reagan started and Dubya completed the transformation of the republican party. Before Reagan the whole split was over social programs/taxes/state v. fed. But now they've thrown in their version of morality. So the base for the party is gay rights, abortion, etc. Rudy is too old school to win with that base. He either stands opposed to them or he (as he's doing) is forced to backpeddle on too much.
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don't assume everyone in the GOP is part of the Christian right.....sometimes it just pays to ally yourself with those nut jobs to get elected. If Hillary or Obama is the nominee the GOP won't have to rely on them much at all, just cause those 2 are so devisive.
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PJP said: don't assume everyone in the GOP is part of the Christian right.....sometimes it just pays to ally yourself with those nut jobs to get elected. If Hillary or Obama is the nominee the GOP won't have to rely on them much at all, just cause those 2 are so devisive.
I don't think everyone in your party is the religious right, but there's a large enough base of voters that they have sway. And you know that's true, otherwise gay marriage and terry shiavo wouldn't have been the big issues that they were.
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gay marriage would be alot more appealing to GOP moderates if the gays just allowed it to be called Civil Unions and still get all the benefits of marriage. Shiavo's case was just fucked because of the people involved. A few nutjobs in the religios right decided to make a big deal out of it not the entir GOP....besides, alot of good came out of that educating people to get living wills.
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Funny: another poll out today still has him in the lead.
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that's weird. another poll says that cookies are delicious, but they don't say what kind of cookies. seems to me like coconut cookies are riding on the positive feelings generated by choco-choco chip.
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Funny: another poll out today still has him in the lead.
Not so funny for Rudy supporters is how much that lead has dwindled. The article you linked to says, Quote:
...The latest average of the major polls has him at 28 percent. The nearest contender is John McCain, at 20 percent.
McCain is rapidly closing the gap & Rudy is suddenly no longer the unstoppable & inevitable winner of a GOP primary that his handlers have tried selling.
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If McCain is starting to pull ahead hadn't you better start rehearsing your excuses for why you no longer support him?
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I like McCain, get over it 
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So shouldn't you be posting to the thread about him, trying to gin up some support for him here?
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Well since he's a Republican, he doesn't have certain posters trying to assaninate his character like the Dems as much. If now that he's more of a threat to Rudy and if certain posters try doing something like changing his religion or accuse him of child abuse you can certainly count on me being there.
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Sorry. I forgot that character assassination was your bag.
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Yeah Cap, I guess I am a bit jealous of the choices Republicans will be getting in '08.  Quote:
Mitt Romney leads Republicans By JONATHAN ROOS REGISTER STAFF WRITER Copyright 2007, Des Moines Register and Tribune Company May 20, 2007
Mitt Romney has sprinted ahead of presidential competitors John McCain and Rudy Giuliani in a new Iowa Poll of likely Republican caucus participants. The Des Moines Register poll shows Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, is the top choice of 30 percent of those who say they definitely or probably will attend the leadoff Iowa caucuses in January. McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, nips former New York Mayor Giuliani for second place — 18 percent to 17 percent. ...
Desmoines Register So you have a Mitt the flip flopper, Rudy (freaky private life & "nuanced" positions, a bit nuts, doesn't see his kids ect ect) and McCain, a war hero with a solid record of experience. Iowa picks Mitt, the guys who's virtually flipped on all his previous positions. 
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Giuliani has gained another endorsement from a Club for Growth-type conservative, Stephen Laffey, the man best known for his failed primary bid against Lincoln Chafee. Rhode Island obviously isn't a major primary state, and this isn't a huge endorsement, but it's another feather in Rudy's cap as he makes his pitch to fiscal conservatives. Meanwhile, down in the South, the Giuliani campaign announced a number of endorsements in Georgia, including the speaker of their House of Representatives, Glenn Richardson.
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so you're now linking to his campaign site to boast about him? you're worse than that alpaca sweater cunt.
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