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[A]t Pennsylvania State University, where about 90 students took complex genetic screening tests that compared their samples with those of four regional groups . . . [m]any of these students thought of themselves as "100 percent" white or black or something else, but only a tiny fraction of them, as it turned out, actually fell into that category. Most learned instead that they shared genetic markers with people of different skin colors.
Ostensibly "black" subjects, for example, found that as much as half of their genetic material came from Europe, with some coming from Asia as well. One "white" student learned that 14 percent of his DNA came from Africa - and 6 percent from East Asia. The student told The Daily Collegian, the student newspaper, earlier this year: "When I got my results I was like, there's no way they were mine. I thought it was just an example of what the test was supposed to look like. Then I was like, Oh my God, that's me."
Interesting.
Just keep shagging, foks. You're almost 100% "American".
It's a very very interesting study especially seeing how most people tend to identify themselves based upon perceived race and color.
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You do realize that writing something in all caps makes you look stupid.
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If that was the only thing he did that made him look stupid think we'd give him a pass 
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BECAUSE WHOMOD HAS A CRUSH ON YOU!
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AND PARIAH RECIPROCATES!!!
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Uh, guys, this thread is starting to sound very random and chatty.
Anyone care to comment on the substantive issue of whomod's original post?
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heh... he said "FALLACy"... huh-huh, huh-huh...
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Sigh...
Anyone? Anyone want to field whomod's original point?
Anyone?
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A bit of a tangent and anecdote: My mother's second husband, and the father of my two beautiful sisters, is, shall we say... an a$$hole. Being from the deep South, he has some unsavory characteristics. cough*rascist*coughSo imagine my glee when, at the age of thirteen, the older of my two sisters started going a bit... nappy on the head.  I couldn't help needling him about some forks in his family tree, just to get a rise outta the bigot.  Both of my sisters also tan very easily, and dark. But on paper, they're "White" . So no, the article Paul cited doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Anyone? Anyone want to field whomod's original point?
Anyone?
Bueller?
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It's a very very interesting study especially seeing how most people tend to identify themselves based upon perceived race and color.
People like to categorize. Animal, mineral, or vegetable, it's nice to have a good clean label. Same with race. And if we're not sure from the get-go, we even label kids of mixed race as whatever the child is closest to in features and skin tone (and, yes, I know the article states, basically, that we're all mixed anyway).
No matter how much evidence we see to the contrary, I'll always be black, Pariah will always be wrongy whitey, and Jack Mehoff will forever be green.
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That wasn't very clever Wednesday.
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No matter how much evidence we see to the contrary, I'll always be black, Pariah will always be wrongy whitey, and Jack Mehoff will forever be green.
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That wasn't very clever Wednesday.
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That wasn't very clever Wednesday.
But it was sufficiently funny to merit a chuckle.
Chuckle. 
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NY Newsday Community leaders ponder racial profilingAugust 2, 2005 BY CAROL EISENBERG, STAFF WRITER When Brooklyn Assemb. Dov Hikind suggested this weekend that the NYPD use racial profiling to identify terrorists who might blow up the subways, the reaction was mostly predictable.
Many liberal leaders, including Democratic mayoral candidate Fernando Ferrer, denounced the proposal as ineffective and un-American. Conservatives hailed his common sense.
But a handful of religious and political leaders acknowledged that Hikind, a Hasidic Jew, gave voice to sentiments shared by thousands of New Yorkers. And they suggested the old liberal-conservative divide about profiling was obsolete in an age when young men strapped bombs to their bodies and went out to wreak destruction on civilians.
"We have a right wing who tends to want to use power indiscriminately, and a left wing who considers any use of power bad," said Rabbi Irwin Kula, president of the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership in Manhattan. "So the vast majority of us in the middle feel unsafe."
Kula called for a third way to talk about profiling -- an approach that he said must transcend the potential abuses of power inherent in Hikind's proposal, as well as the left's unwillingness to face new dangers.
"Can we imagine a conversation -- ideally led by Muslims themselves -- on a new category in a post-Sept. 11 world called 'ethical racial profiling'?" he asked.
Kula said he doesn't know what such a system might look like, but believes New York could lead the nation in putting together such a policy.
But many religious and political leaders yesterday flatly rejected Hikind's proposals to use Middle Eastern profiles as "inappropriate and irresponsible."
"First of all, the very idea that one can spot a Muslim by looking at them is ridiculous," said Imam Talib Abdur-Rashid, leader of the Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood in Harlem. "Muslims are of every ethnic group on earth. In the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, we saw attacks upon innocent people by ignorant bigots, who thought you could look at someone and tell their religion."
Leaders of the Straphangers Campaign said they had not even considered Hikind's proposal because they consider the newly instituted bag checks "a colossal waste of money," in the words of Neysa Pranger.
"The bottom line is they're going to have to put together a security strategy that includes a number of things -- chief among them, more bomb sniffing dogs, and having uniformed and undercover patrols," said Pranger, the group's coordinator.
Ferrer, Democratic candidate for mayor, dismissed Hikind's idea out of hand.
"Racial profiling is against the law in New York City and it's a law I helped draft," Ferrer said "There are better ways, and constitutional ways, to keep us safe."
In a brief statement, Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne called racial profiling "illegal, of doubtful effectiveness and against department policy." Staff writer Dan Janison contributed to this story.
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Nice Outsiders quote, man!
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Wed, I think that article should be it's own thread about racial profiling, so we can discuss it.
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Debunking the Concept of 'Race'
[A]t Pennsylvania State University, where about 90 students took complex genetic screening tests that compared their samples with those of four regional groups . . . [m]any of these students thought of themselves as "100 percent" white or black or something else, but only a tiny fraction of them, as it turned out, actually fell into that category. Most learned instead that they shared genetic markers with people of different skin colors.
Ostensibly "black" subjects, for example, found that as much as half of their genetic material came from Europe, with some coming from Asia as well. One "white" student learned that 14 percent of his DNA came from Africa - and 6 percent from East Asia. The student told The Daily Collegian, the student newspaper, earlier this year: "When I got my results I was like, there's no way they were mine. I thought it was just an example of what the test was supposed to look like. Then I was like, Oh my God, that's me."
Interesting.
Just keep shagging, foks. You're almost 100% "American".
It's a very very interesting study especially seeing how most people tend to identify themselves based upon perceived race and color.
Before degenerating into an argument about creationism, I think we discussed race as a social contruct rather than a biological one. Had to do with extension of patent rights on a drug for black people as I recall.
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Tell me guys: Which one looks more like a terrorist to you? 
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If you're in the West Bank, both, probably.
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I'd love to know your point.
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The book was better.
But... but... Diane Lane! C'mon! 
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This does, of course, assume he has one. As normal, evil Liberals making assumptions about what people are trying to say! 
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I'd love to know your point.
Racial Profiling's a two way street. Not a static encouragement of prejudice or racism.
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Pariah said: Tell me guys: Which one looks more like a terrorist to you?
Two of these four are terrorist bombers. This man is an American born college professor. He believed that technology was bad for the world and mailed bombs to universities. Nice North Carolina (red state) man. His religious beliefs compelled him to bomb an abortion clinic in 1997 and the Olympics in 1996. Here is a dangerous black man (don't worry, Pariah. He can't hurt you). He's so crazy and deranged that he actually rejected his previously violent beliefs after a journey to Mecca. Another dangerous black man. In the past he's used marijuana.
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I'd love to know your point.
Racial Profiling's a two way street. Not a static encouragement of prejudice or racism.
do you even know what it is? Racial profiling is specifically targetting one race because of a belief that members of the race are more likely to commit a crime. As far as I know, it's illegal.
I wish someone would racially profile morons, then you'd get tossed in jail.
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do you even know what it is? Racial profiling is specifically targetting one race because of a belief that members of the race are more likely to commit a crime.
Exactly. Except it's not a crime. It's the crime. A terrorist bombing occurs and a threat was sent in before hand by someone proclaiming Jihad. Who is "more likely" to be the cause for this? An American or a Arab?
If a black Baptist Church set fire in the Eastern part of the Bible Belt, would it not be logical to suspect someone white? Prolly the type who's an inbred hick?
If a Nazi pride meeting was raided in a racially mixed area, who're you gonna suspect more when narrowing down who did it? White people or black people?
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Exactly. Except it's not a crime. It's the crime. A terrorist bombing occurs and a threat was sent in before hand by someone proclaiming Jihad. Who is "more likely" to be the cause for this? An American or a Arab?
have you ever heard of Arab-Americans? That is, people of Arabic descent who are American citizens or have even lived here their whole lives.
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yeah, I would love to see the case where they profiled and detained white people in the south.
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If a Nazi pride meeting was raided in a racially mixed area, who're you gonna suspect more when narrowing down who did it? White people or black people?
Well, Jews are white (I know that hurts, but it's true).
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wait. do you mean raided as in police raided or do you mean broken in to or some sort of violent attack?
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