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ho.
lee.
shit.

i dont think i've ever feared for the life of a fan more than tonight.

Yeah, poor guy.

I really hope the Cubs win, now. If they don't, that guy may never live peacefully in Chicago again.

Why were the cameras always focusing on just him? He wasn't the only guy who got a hand on(or very near) the ball.

Also, not that I can really fault him, but Moises Alou's reaction didn't help the fan's cause any.

Well, it looked to me as though the ball was in the area of the stands. That means it's fair game for a fan. He ain't gonna be looking down to see if Moises has a chance. He doesn't wanna get beaned by the dumb thing! And at best it was 50-50 for Alou to make the catch. I don't think he would have.

But the Chicago Police Department still gave the fan an escort to his car. He was totally drenched in beer is what the press said.

From the Cubs' perspective, it wasn't the smartest thing to do, but you definitely can't blame the guy. Rules are rules, and instincts are instincts.

Besides, even if he didn't touch it, there were 3 other guys right there who probably would have. Somebody was going to prevent Alou from catching it, either way.

Picture if this happened in NY. Or Detroit. It's probably why they won't put a team in DC, the murder capital of North America.

I saw that and said, "Boy that guy's gonna get raped if that costs the Cubs the game." Then I turned the channel to watch Newlyweds... (I was over at my girlfriend's apartment, and since I made her watch wrestling last night this was the compromise.) I turned it back and the zero on the scoreboard had some how magically turned into an eight.

I think it's time for this shmuck to invest in some KY, cause he's gonna need it.

I'm watching it right now. The umpire's right there! The city of Chicago needs to calm down. If Dusty's cool about it, then it's time to move on.

Man, I'd hate to be that guy tomorrow when he goes to work.

I heard it was a twelve year old kid?!?!?!

They still woulda lost!

Nah, it wasn't a kid. At youngest, he's 17, 18. He's probably in his mid 20's and just looks young.

heh
I was passing meds while the patients were watching the game Cubs were ahead 3 nothing I said ahhh they'll blow it...
walked out of the room....
and THEY did!
Theyre calling me a jinx!

Everyone (the staff) here is saying it was some poor kid....
regardless he was doing the same thing everyone else was tryin to do...

but Id hate to be him at work/school tomorrow!


ANd we aint gonna stop hearing about this in Chicago until the next Micheal Jordan comes along!

I hope they lose already Im sick of it all!!!

Rumor has it that this guy is a police dispatcher in the western suburbs of Chicago....

Bob something.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cubs-foiledagain&prov=ap&type=lgns


Fan, bobbled ball cost Cubs

By NANCY ARMOUR, AP Sports Writer
October 15, 2003
CHICAGO (AP) -- Maybe there really is something to that curse.

How else to explain the wild and wacky turn of events that took the Chicago Cubs from five outs from their first trip to their World Series in 58 years to a crushing loss that forced Game 7?

``It has nothing to do with the curse,'' Cubs manager Dusty Baker insisted. ``History had nothing to do with this game. Nothing.''




Technically, it had to do with a meddling fan and a rare error by a sure-handed shortstop.FRANTA COMMENT: "And we would have won the series too if werent for those meddling fans and their dog! But as the Cubs walked off the field after an 8-3 loss to the Florida Marlins in Game 6 of the NL championship series Tuesday night, a goat could have been heard in the silence.

The decisive Game 7 is Wednesday night. The Cubs have Kerry Wood going, but the Marlins have momentum -- and, maybe, fate -- on their side.

``We've already played two Game 7s,'' said Mike Mordecai, who delivered a huge three-run double during Florida's eight-run eighth. ``Tomorrow will be the third time, and I think that will be the charm.''

There's a fine line between being charmed and being cursed, as the Cubs saw yet again Tuesday night.

The Cubs have endured almost a century of futility, having gone without a World Series championship since 1908. They haven't been back to the World Series since 1945, when local legend has it that the owner of a Chicago bar put a curse on the Cubs because he and his goat were turned away from a game.

Baker and his players have refused to buy into the curse and the Cubs' awful history, and with everything they've done this season, it was hard to argue with them. They won the NL Central, took their first postseason series since 1908 and had the series lead over the Marlins.

They seemed to be cruising straight to the World Series -- only to have the fates turn in a dizzying hurry.

With one out in the eighth and Juan Pierre on second, Luis Castillo hit what appeared to be a very playable foul fly down the left-field line.

``I timed it perfectly. I jumped perfectly,'' left fielder Moises Alou said. ``I kept my eyes on the ball, and all of a sudden there's a hand on my glove, there's a hand right on top of the ball.''

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Just like that, the ball was gone. A 26-year-old male fan wearing a Cubs hat and headphones had deflected the ball away. The ball dropped into the stands and despite vigorous protests for interference, umpires correctly ruled it was simply a foul ball.

``The ball was in the stands,'' Marlins manager Jack McKeon said. ``Whether Alou could have caught it or not is questionable, but the ball was in the stands. And when the ball is in the stands, the fans have a right to catch it.''

That didn't make it any more palatable for the Cubs -- or their fans. Others in the stands tossed beer at the unidentified fan and shouted profanities and threats at him. A handful of security guards quickly escorted him from his seat, his face covered with a sweater as he walked to a security room.

Some fans were yelling, ``Kill him!'' and ``You cost us the World Series!''as he was being led away. After the game, security guards gave him a different jacket and hustled him out another exit so no one would know who he was.

``He possibly cost us the pennant, and I want to know if it was worth a $20 ball? What a loser,'' said Sean Henning, who was sitting about five rows back.
FRANTA COMMENT: I always love the fans who call the team "us" as if they had anything to do with them making the pennant other than by purchasing 50 dollar hot dogs!

If fans were irate then, the rest of the inning would make them even angrier.

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Instead of being out, Castillo went back to the plate. One pitch later, he drew a walk.

``When the fan reached over there and took that out away, it was like we took a sigh,'' Mordecai said. ``Like we've got an extra out to play with. They just gave us one.''

And there was more to come. Ivan Rodriguez followed with an RBI single, cutting Chicago's lead to 3-1.

Miguel Cabrera then hit a two-hopper to shortstop that could have turned into an inning-ending double play -- and should have meant at least one out for the Cubs. Alex Gonzalez is normally one of Chicago's best defensive players (he made only 10 errors during the regular season), but he dropped this one.

``It seemed like the spin on the ball ate me up,'' Gonzalez said. ``I didn't think it would get to me that fast.''

He tried to backhand the ball, only to have it ricochet off his glove and back down into the dirt for an error. He grabbed at the ball but had no play, loading the bases with only one out.

Derrek Lee tied it with a two-run double, Jeff Conine hit a go-ahead sacrifice fly and Mordecai hammered a three-run double off the ivy in left-center.

Suddenly it was 7-3, and Cubs fans were left heartbroken again.

``Hopefully (the fan) won't have to regret it for the rest of his life if he's a Cubs fan,'' Alou said. ``Maybe we can take the load off that guy tomorrow by winning the game.''

Or maybe another piece of misery has been added to Cubs' lore.

heh
After getting doused in beer Id hate to have been him drivning home through Wrigleyville...

"But officer I havent had a drop to drink!!!! Fans dumped beer on me coz I grabbed the ball"

He would have been better taking the DUI!

this kid's life now. oy! its gotta be fucked.

he's obviously a cubs fan. ... i mean, he could be a front-runner, but he's a cubs front-runner.

he had great seats. the hat. the whole bit. odds are he told everyone he knew he was going to the game. bosses, friends, family, etc. and everyone already knows he's a cubs fan -- a team who has been cursed out of the world series since before many current teams existed.

and now, he's (indirectly, but infamously) the cause of their not going to the series. yeah, there's a whole 'nother game, and yeah, he didn't give the marlins 8 runs in one inning. but, like bill buchner's doomsday association, this poor young guy, a fan, will forever be linked with stealing the series from the cubbies.

all his friends know. his family. his colleagues. and, because of some hefty reporting, camera angles, and articles, his face has gotten out to darn near anyone who wanted to get it out. thankfully, no one has his name, but im sure thats only a matter of time.

he wont be able to go anywhere for the next few days, weeks, or maybe ever, without someone recognizing him and pointing it out (bill buchner had to relocate his whole family out of boston after 86).

thats rough.

Apparently, some local newspaper has his name(leaked from someone who knows the fan), but, as of an hour ago, has yet to release it.

I'm sure Dusty was frustrated, but I'm fairly dissapointed in his passing on the chance to pardon the fan in the press conference yesterday. When asked if he had anything to say to the individual, his response was a mumbled "I don't know what that was about. Maybe he was a Marlins fan." I doubt any malice was intended in what he did say, but he could have shown a lot more class by saying something different.

Ummm...Sorry about that guys. Didn't mean to screw anything up or anything...Please don't go all Bill Buckner/Leon Durham on me!

The fan who played in a key role in the Chicago Cubs' collapse in Game 6 of the NL championship series apologized Wednesday, saying he was brokenhearted.

With the Cubs five outs from advancing to the World Series for the first time since 1945, Steve Bartman tried to grab a foul ball, preventing outfielder Moises Alou from catching it. That helped the Florida Marlins rally for an 8-3 victory to tie the NL championship series Tuesday night.

"I had my eyes glued on the approaching ball the entire time and was so caught up in the moment that I did not even see Moises Alou, much less that he may have had a play," Bartman said in a statement.

"Had I thought for one second that the ball was playable or had I seen Alou approaching, I would have done whatever I could to get out of the way and give Alou a chance to make the catch."

"I am truly sorry from the bottom of this Cubs fan's broken heart."

"I ask that Cub fans everywhere redirect the negative energy that has been vented towards my family, my friends, and myself into the usual positive support for our beloved team on their way to being National League champs," Bartman said.

The 26-year-old Bartman was escorted by security guards from Wrigley Field after he was threatened by angry fans and pelted with debris.

Hours after the Marlins forced the decisive seventh game, Bartman was the talk of the town.

Angry broadcasters castigated him. A local newspaper found in a Web poll that thousands of people blamed him for playing a role in the Cubs' loss. Even the governor weighed in.

"Nobody can justify any kind of threat to someone who does something stupid like reach for that ball," Gov. Rod Blagojevich said.

In Florida, Gov. Jeb Bush said an offer of asylum to Bartman might be a good idea, and an oceanfront retreat in Pompano Beach offered him a free three-month stay if he needed to get out of Chicago.

Earlier in the day, neighbors and other fans had various opinions on whether Bartman should have tried to catch the ball.

"If you are a fan who's been around for a while, you just know not to interfere with a player," said Don Emond, 66, a longtime season-ticket holder who was at the game. "I think these fans like that are sort of selfish or they don't really care about the consequences of what happened."

Bartman was described by neighbors as a youth baseball coach and such a big Cubs fan that he traveled to Arizona to see the team in spring training.

Don Kessinger went after countless popups near the stands while playing shortstop for the Cubs in the 1960s and '70s.

"I think he did what 40,000 people would have done," said Kessinger, now in the real estate business in Oxford, Miss.

Even Alou, who was initially furious, seemed to soften later.

"I kind of feel bad for the guy now, because every fan in every ballpark, their first reaction is they want a souvenir," he said. "Nobody's going to think about the outcome of the game."

fear for your life, steve bartman.

fear for your life.

I mentioned to somebody earlier tonight that if the Cubs lose, he might seriously have to consider something like the Witness Protection(or Relocation, whatever it's called) Program...

Hell Id buy him a beer!

This is the only time Ive enjoyed REALITY TV!

and it is actually REAL!


DO THE BARTMAN!!!

Whats most amusing is since the playoffs I knew the Cubs would choke and in my minds eye I had an image of Homer choking Bart who was wearing a Cubs hat!

Homer: Bart. Bart. Bart. *smash* BART!
Bart: I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything.

Bart: Yo! Hey, what's happening, dude?
I'm the guy with the rep for being rude.
Terrorizing people wherever I go,
It's not intentional, just keepin' the flow.

Fixin' test scores to get the best scores.
Droppin' banana peels all over the floor.
I'm the kid that made delinquency an art;
Last name Simpson, first name Bart.

I'm here today to introduce the next phase,
The next step in the big Bart craze.
I've got a dance real easy to do;
I learned it with no rhythm, and so can you.

So move your body if you've got the notion,
Front to back in a rock-like motion.
Now that you've got it, if you think you can,
Do it to the music -- that's the Bartman.

Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart: Whoa!
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Bart: Shake it out, man!
Back: Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Bartman!
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Bart: Uh-huh.
Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart:
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Bart: Whoa, mama!
Back: Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Whoa.
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.

Bart: It wasn't long ago, just a couple of weeks,
I got in trouble, yeah, pretty deep.
Homer was yellin',
Homer: BART!
Bart: Mom was too,
Because I put mothballs in the beef stew.

Punishment time, in the air lurks gloom,
Sitting by myself, confined to my room.
When all else fails, nothin' else left to do,
I turn on the music, so I can feel the groove.

Back: Move your body, if you've got the notion.
Bart: Whoa, I'm feelin' the groove now, baby!
Back: Front to back in a rock-like motion.
Bart: Bring it back, whoa!
Back: Move you hips from side to side now.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
Back: Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now.
Bart: Whoa, Lisa. Ha!
Back: If ya got the groove, ya gotta use it.
Bart: Ha, ha ha!
Back: Light rhythm in time with the music.
Bart: Ha, haha. Check it out, man.
Back: You just might start a chain reaction.
Bart: If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson.

Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart: Oh, yeah!
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Bart: Shake yo body!
Back: Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Huhp!
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Bart: Yeah, do the Bartman.
Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart: Everybody, yeah, do the Bartman.
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Bart: Shake it out.
Back: Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Whoa, mama.
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Bart: I'm bad, I'm bad!

Back: Do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
Everybody back and forth, from side to side.
Back: Do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
Pick your feet up off the floor, let 'em glide!
Back: Do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
She can do it, he can do it, so can I.
Back: Do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
Now here's a dance beat that you can't deny.

Homer: Turn it down! Will you stop that infernal racket?!
Back: DO THE BARTMAN!!!

(Lisa plays saxophone)

Bart: Oh, my ears! Lisa! Put that saxophone away!
You can't touch this. *clatter*
I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything.

Oop!

Now I'm in the house, feeling good to be home,
Till Lisa starts blowing that damn saxophone.
And if it was mine, you know they'd take it away,
But still I'm feeling good, so that's okay.

I'm up in my room, just a singin' a song,
Listen to the kick drum, kickin' along.
Yeah Lisa likes jazz; she's their number one fan,
But I know I'm bad, 'cause I do the Bartman.

Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart: Hey, everybody!
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Bart: Need I remind you?
Back: Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Ooh, I am Bart, Bart-man.
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Bart: Huh. Shake it out.

Back: Do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
Everybody back and forth, from side to side.
Back: Do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman!
She can do it, he can do it, so can I.

Back: Move your body, if you've got the notion.
Bart: Move it.
Back: Front to back in a rock-like motion.
Bart: Swing it!
Back: Move you hips from side to side now.
Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now.
If ya got the groove, ya gotta use it.
Bart: Dooby, dooby, dooby, dooby doo wop bop bop!
Back: Light rhythm in time with the music.
Bart: Dabba doo, dabba doo, dab it!
Back: You just might start a chain reaction.
Bart: Dabba dab doo dab
Hee, hee, hee. I'm a Bartman.

Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart: Swing it, baby.
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Bart: Hoo-uh.
Back: Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Oh yeah. I'm bad. Real bad.
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Bart: Whoa, mama.

Back: Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman.
Bart: Do the Bartman.
Back: Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man.
Front to the back, to the side if you can, can.
Bart: Ha, ha!
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Bart: Oh yeah!

Back: Do the Bartman.

Back: Move your body, if you've got the notion.
Bart: You call that dancing? Ha!
Back: Front to back in a rock-like motion.
(Do the Bartman)
Bart: Watch this move.
Back: Move you hips from side to side now.
(Everybody in the house do the Bartman)
Bart: Ooh, uh uh, uh, ai ai. Yeah!
Back: Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now.
(Do the Bartman)
If ya got the groove, ya gotta use it.
Bart: Ha, ha ha! Swing it!
Back: Jack your body in time with the music.
You just might start a chain reaction.
Bart: Eat your heart out, Michael! Woop!
Back: Everybody in the house do the Bartman.
Do the Bartman.

Homer: YOU'RE GROUNDED!!
Bart: Oh, wow, man.

Well there goes another year. Still the Cubs played great, I've never been so into Baseball...or any sport for that matter. Cubs in 2004!

I can't believe the Sun Times released the name of the fan and where he worked. Didn't they watch Jenny Jones? Remember the gay guy blown away by his neighbor because he admitted on her show he had a crush on him? So the guy tracked him down and gunned him down?

This guy needs to move to Portland or something.

Id still buy the poor guy a beer...

the other fans are fucking hypocrits!

They interviewed a dude with like a striped sleeved shirt who told the newscaster he tried to stop the guy but when they re-showed the clip he had his hand out over the field!!!

Youre a fucking liar if youre a Cubs fan and say you would never have done what he did...anyone in his seat wouldve done the same!

It is incredibly dangerous for any paper to release personal information about this guy. Just watch...this will end up as a LAW AND ORDER episode where another fan actually kills the Bartman character.

If I were him, I'd consider suing the paper. I think you can make the argument that there's nothing "newsworthy" in reporting the guy's workplace and home address. And the paper should realize that this put this guy in danger of harrassment.

And let's not blame Bartman. It wasn't he who had a 3-1 lead in a best of 7 and couldn't win 1 game in the last 3.

Jim

eh, i just think its fun to blame him. sortuva a "curse-embodiment."

every fan would have (and some did) done the same thing. catching a foul ball is fun!

the emphasis should always be placed on foul ball. this guy reaching for the ball didn't cost the cubs a series. he didn't cost the cubs a game. he didn't cost the cubs a run. he didn't even cost the cubs a hit!

but either way, he'll most certainly be villified. i'd hate'em, too, im sure. and, were i him, i'd definitely sue the paper that printed my info and definitely consider relocating.

in all seriousness, i betcha the marlins would hook him up with an event or season tickets or something. why not turn it into something positive and head on down to florida?

It is very disturbing that these people have so much invested in a stupid baseball team.

To pin it all on one man reaching for a ball is silly, especially as he wasn't the only one to reach for it. He didn't make that shortstop bobble that ball or cause the Marlins to hit 8 runs.

If anything bad happens to that man, then the Cubs fans do not deserve to have a team to root for.

Besides there is always next year.

And the Sox still have a shot at breaking their streak.

Not that I care.

Hey, baseball is dangerous in Chicago. Fans come out of the stands and beat up first base coaches. The fans at Wrigley brawled with the Dodgers.

Bulls games are safer. No one's there.

Foul Ball Cubs Fan Inspires Hollywood Movie Idea

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Florida Marlin fans aren't the only ones crying foul ball, and liking it. Hollywood thinks there may a movie in the Chicago Cubs fan affair.

Revolution Studios will pay comedian Kevin James, star of TV series "King of Queens," to develop a film about a baseball fan who interferes with a critical play and must deal with the repercussions, a Revolution spokeswoman said on Thursday.

The idea was inspired by the predicament faced by the Chicago Cubs fan who Tuesday night held out his hand to try and catch a foul ball at a key point in game six of the professional baseball teams playoff series against the Florida Marlins.

The Revolution spokeswoman said any movie which eventually gets made would not be based on the specific fan or his own predicament. James will star in the film as well as develop it.

The fan's action prevented Cubs outfielder Moises Alou from catching the ball and seemed to spark a rally by the Marlins that led to their victory. On Wednesday, the Marlins won the series and the long-suffering Cubs fans hung their heads in despair.

The Cubs have not played in baseball's World Series since 1945 and have not won the coveted championship since 1908. Their lack of success has led to wild speculation of a cursed team, and Tuesday's heartbreaking loss only fueled more such talk.

In Hollywood terms, James "pitched" his idea to Revolution and will now have to develop a story, produce a screenplay, then work on casting and production before even shooting a film. Generally speaking, movies take roughly two years from idea to movie theaters.

Sometimes, films take a decade or more to get made, if they ever do. Sometimes the plans just strike out.

I think a movie about the Barry Bonds home run ball would be better. Make it a court room drama scripted by John Grisham.

Better yet, do a movie about the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders! Just because!

A love story about Brian Urlacher and Paris Hilton!

Poor Bartman after all that he doesnt even make a dime off the deal......

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cubs-foulball&prov=ap&type=lgns


OAK BROOK, Ill. (AP) -- An Internet auction house claims to have the baseball at the center of one of the most infamous plays in Chicago Cubs history -- the foul fly from Game 6 of this year's NL championship series.

MastroNet Inc., based in suburban Chicago, said Tuesday it would auction the ball on behalf of a 33-year-old Chicago attorney identified only as ``Jim'' in a statement.

According to the company, Jim was sitting near Cubs fan Steve Bartman, who deflected a foul pop away from left fielder Moises Alou in the eighth inning of Game 6 against Florida.




Jim grabbed the ball when it bounced his way and put it in his pocket, the statement said.

The Cubs fell apart after that play, blowing a 3-0 lead and losing 8-3. They also lost Game 7 and missed a chance to reach their first World Series since 1945.

The ball was authenticated using affidavits, ticket stubs and other information, MastroNet Vice President of Acquisitions Brian Marren said in a statement.

``It's an item that represents the continuing saga of the Cubs' storied legacy,'' Marren said. ``Collectors appreciate that kind of history.''

The phone and Web auction for the baseball is scheduled to begin Dec. 1 and end Dec. 18. Bidding will start at $5,000, the company said.

``The whole situation really did fall in my lap,'' Jim said in the statement. ``I understand that there are collectors who would really covet this item.''

Local news reports "Jim" is a lawyer...

heh

You think he'll get a royalty check when they make that movie about him?

link please!

I hear she's a camera hog. And it barely shows any action. Just a close-up of her, staring at the camera, barely making noise.

Just like a rich chick. Make everyone do the work for you...