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So what do you guys and girls & Rob think?Which lineup do you like best? Hard for me to judge which one I dig better. MA has a pretty impressive powerhouse lineup and I gotta say I really am liking Ares(check out his mini-series now in TPB,it's good readin')as the breakout character on this team and having Ms.Marvel lead is prett cool.I do wonder though if there's too much power though.Wonder Man and Sentry are two of the strongest guys on the planet,Ares is Thor & Wolverine rolled into one,Ms.Marvel ain't no slouch in terms of power either and of course you got Iron Man.There really shouldn't be anything they can't wrap up in under two seconds so something will have to come along to really challenger this team.
On the flipside,you got the New Age Outlaw Avengers.Less power than the Mighty team but some of the sneakiest heroes around.Led by Luke Cage(right on)and having the unlikely assemblage of Doc Strange,Spider-Woman,Spider-Man,Wolverine & Iron Fist,this Avengers team has their work cut out for 'em.Not only trying to pick up where they left off before Civil War,they have to elude 50 states worth of super-hero teams set up by Tony Stark's Initiative.
Bendis is writing both books so I'm ok with that.Frank Cho doing the artwork and(as posted earlier)having Mark Bagley fill in while he catches up makes Mighty a more visually appealing book to me.Lenil Yu on New Avengers is.....meh,at best to me.I've never been a big fan of his work but I'll wait & see how it turns out on this title.If nothing else,thank God that these titles and the Marvel Universe heroes get the spotlight they deserve as I'm sick of all the X-men crap getting the pushes throughout the years from Marvel while the rest of the heroes got mediocre talent on their books.
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I have always preferred a power line up for the Avengers.
They often get into some heavy duty Earth saving action.
It makes good sense to keep them rather powerful.
The 60's line up of Captain America, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver would have been great if all the Avengers were going to do was catch pickpockets and jewel theives, but that line - up... a.k.a known as "The Kooky Quartet " was not effective enough to defend the Earth from major threats.
I believe the Avengers are best when powerful... but, they do need diversity in terms of powers. That is always a good thing.
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I like that there's the option, it reminds me of the JLA/JLE days when you had two very different teams.
I'm waiting to see how the arcs play out, but so far I'm enjoying both books.
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So far, I'm liking New Avengers a bit more if for no other reason that Francis Yu's artwork. I think he's a great penciller and I am loving his take on the Avengers...
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I think it's a compromise. NA is the Avengers book Bendis really wants to do. MA is the Avengers book for the people who couldn't get into NA. I think the split works for both books as separately they seem to read better than when it was just one book.
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I like both teams for the most part. I could do without Spider Woman and Wolverine in New Avengers and Sentry in Mighty Avengers. I don't know Ares (as a Marvel character) very well, but he seems all right so far.
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I like that there's the option, it reminds me of the JLA/JLE days when you had two very different teams.
Or, the Avengers/West Coast Avengers days...
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I like that there's the option, it reminds me of the JLA/JLE days when you had two very different teams.
Or, the Avengers/West Coast Avengers days...
but aside from geographic locations, there weren't a whole lot of difference between the East and West Coast books and teams. they both had similar tones and feelings to them.
but with NA and MA, similar to JLI/JLE at the beginning, there are differences in tone. the books look and feel different. that's an important thing to keep in mind.
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I like that there's the option, it reminds me of the JLA/JLE days when you had two very different teams.
Or, the Avengers/West Coast Avengers days...
i said "reminds me." i never read avengers then, they were the same team just on different coasts.
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Actually,the teams were very different back in the East Coast/West Coast days up until shortly after Byrne had took over the book.WCA had a lighter tone and a more relaxed atmosphere than the ECA.The line up for WCA was more appealing to read for a time vs the ECA.Iron Man,Wonder Man,Tigra,Vision,Scarlet Witch,Hawkeye & Mockingbird as well as Hank Pym & Moon Knight who joined later on.The ECA had Dr.Druid,Black Knight,Captain Marvel,Wasp,Namor & sometimes Thor & Captain America. After Byrne took over though,the book fell in line with a similar tone to the ECA and pretty soon the West Coast team began to fill with some pretty lame 3rd tier characters until the book was mercifully cancelled.
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The team interaction was decidely different as well.
The WCA had a very "soap opera" feel about it, where as ECA seemed to be more of an "epic" feel to it!
ECA was like WWE to WCA indy promotion!
You always felt that the West Coast branch were more accessable, where as the East Coast branch felt like elite Hollywood celebs!
I always got a feeling that the East Coast branch always looked down on the West Coasters like they were Avengers Jr.
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Actually,the teams were very different back in the East Coast/West Coast days up until shortly after Byrne had took over the book.WCA had a lighter tone and a more relaxed atmosphere than the ECA.The line up for WCA was more appealing to read for a time vs the ECA.Iron Man,Wonder Man,Tigra,Vision,Scarlet Witch,Hawkeye & Mockingbird as well as Hank Pym & Moon Knight who joined later on.The ECA had Dr.Druid,Black Knight,Captain Marvel,Wasp,Namor & sometimes Thor & Captain America. After Byrne took over though,the book fell in line with a similar tone to the ECA and pretty soon the West Coast team began to fill with some pretty lame 3rd tier characters until the book was mercifully cancelled.
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The team interaction was decidely different as well.
The WCA had a very "soap opera" feel about it, where as ECA seemed to be more of an "epic" feel to it!
ECA was like WWE to WCA indy promotion!
You always felt that the West Coast branch were more accessable, where as the East Coast branch felt like elite Hollywood celebs!
I always got a feeling that the East Coast branch always looked down on the West Coasters like they were Avengers Jr.
I had a mail subscription to WCA. Read it from the first miniseries, all the way up until Hawkeye got shot in Solo Avengers, and started wearing that gay armor suit. I think Paul Ryan was doing the art at the time. Sort of dipped in and out of it. But, "Forceworks" was pretty much the end for me.
Anyway, this new Avengers split-teams reminds me of that era....mainly for all the reasons Allan and Cunty stated. Whereas, the JLI/JLE teams pretty much had the same humor angle, with the JLE being only slightly less goofy in places.
But, that's just me...
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actually JLE when it started, was much different in tone to JLI (which had become mostly humor). JLE started up with a real serious story that had the team splitting up into smaller groups (ala old skool JLA) and was more straight superhero with flashes of humor.
it actually kept that different tone for probably the first year or two. The Extremists arc especially was pretty heavy, being mired only by the silly ending.
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I dunno, right from the off there was the whole comedy romance between Atom & Cobert, plus the whole thing with Animalmans clothes getting nuked!
Maybe there was a more serious side to JLE, but it always felt the same as the JLI/A book to me, which was never a real problem!
Lets not forget the time they tried to learn French.
Or the time Wally looked at Karas breasts!
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The Queen bee arc was pretty damn funny-I wouldn't say serious.
I pretty much loved both books up to the Gray Man story, but after that it was like the joke wore out...
It was serious at times and hilarious at times-it's beauty was that it could do both and it worked.
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I dunno, right from the off there was the whole comedy romance between Atom & Cobert, plus the whole thing with Animalmans clothes getting nuked!
Maybe there was a more serious side to JLE, but it always felt the same as the JLI/A book to me, which was never a real problem!
Lets not forget the time they tried to learn French.
Or the time Wally looked at Karas breasts!
every issue!
I didn't say there was no comedy, just that there was less of it.
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The Queen bee arc was pretty damn funny-I wouldn't say serious.
the one that ended with Beetle being hypnotized and stabbing Max? with Amanda Waller having to try and deprogram Beetle? no seriousness there at all. . . 
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I thought I was thinking of JLE number 4 or 5???
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I like the line up for Mighty Avengers, it's a nice mix for the most part. It's got two founding members with Stark & the Wasp plus my two favorites, Ms. Marvel & Wonder Man. Ares could be fun but needs a better costume. Black Widow & Sentry are kinda 'feh'. It's missing Scarlet Witch & the Vision though.
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if i remember correctly the queen bee stuff was all pretty serious.
JLE did have a few lighter issues like them trying to learn french, but overall it took a different approach so it was worth reading both books. unlike all current DC team books being fanwank.
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And which team was Beetle a member of?
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And which team was Beetle a member of?
Beetle was JLA, but the queen bee storyline was in both series.
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I know!
My point was, the fact that both series/teams were very similar!
They both had a mix of humour/seriousness!
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plus my two favorites, Ms. Marvel & Wonder Man. Ares could be fun but needs a better costume. Black Widow & Sentry are kinda 'feh'.
Yeah, loving seeing Simon Williams back in the old leisure suit. And, I really don't care one way or another about Widow and Sentry. But, Ares? I know they're jonesing for Thor and all. But, come on. How many more gods are going to become "superheroes"? I don't even know Ares. Wait a sec...I take that back. I know DC's Ares. He's a regular thorn for WW. But, Marvel? It's like they just decided to randomly throw someone in the spot. I'm waiting for Moon Knight to suddenly reveal that Ronin is one of his personalities. Ugh...
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I have no opinions as to which team is superior.
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I have no opinions as to which team is superior.
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plus my two favorites, Ms. Marvel & Wonder Man. Ares could be fun but needs a better costume. Black Widow & Sentry are kinda 'feh'.
Yeah, loving seeing Simon Williams back in the old leisure suit. And, I really don't care one way or another about Widow and Sentry. But, Ares? I know they're jonesing for Thor and all. But, come on. How many more gods are going to become "superheroes"? I don't even know Ares. Wait a sec...I take that back. I know DC's Ares. He's a regular thorn for WW. But, Marvel? It's like they just decided to randomly throw someone in the spot. I'm waiting for Moon Knight to suddenly reveal that Ronin is one of his personalities. Ugh...
I was really surprised to see the leisure suit back. It works for him though & it's different from the usual spandex. He worked best as the unsure hero/coward to balance out all that raw power IMHO.
The conversation between Ms. Marvel & Iron Man sounded like they picked Ares for a "wildcard" factor. I wonder if he's going to be around for to long though? It just seems like he's a character that is around for a soon to be revealed storyline.
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. But, Ares? I know they're jonesing for Thor and all. But, come on. How many more gods are going to become "superheroes"? I don't even know Ares. Wait a sec...I take that back. I know DC's Ares. He's a regular thorn for WW. But, Marvel? It's like they just decided to randomly throw someone in the spot.
he's an old Thor/Hercules villain from the late sixties. Oeming wrote a pretty decent mini with him a couple years ago. Bendis really dug it, so he threw him in.
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Yeah, I mean I knew "why" (Wizard), but, I'm just exasperated at the randomness of it. I mean, fuck, didn't they learn anything from Gilgamesh? 
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Gilgamesh? More like GilgaMEH!
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