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Originally posted by JASON TODD:
THANK YOU ROB, FOR YOUR BOARD
notta prob ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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Personally, I think Gob has known about this for at least two years, which is why he set up his own boards.
well, the dcmbs upgrade has been promised for about 2 years. however, none of us knew it was going to be how it turned out until some point last year, later solidified in february of this year. prior to that, we all thought they'd simply upgrade the infopop program (ideal for posters and admins alike).
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can you at least convince them to just "bleep" out words instead of giving the whole "WHAO HOLD ON THERE" bullshit?
unfortunately, wb decided not to give me godly, overlord status on the new boards. the person in charge of most of the board decisions is so high on up the chain, im not even sure i know their name.
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If we're talking crisis, then Rob's board is the HYPERTIME center! A link to the past!
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Um Rob er eh ummmm Ok whats this "trouble" list and what do you mean it's being handed to various people?
It's a Big Brother thing right?
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Am I forever branded as a DCMB trouble maker?
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
Am I forever branded as a DCMB trouble maker?
Yes you are most definitely a troublemaker. ![[mwah hwah haa]](graemlins/devil.gif) Keep it up.... ![[woooOOOOoooo!]](graemlins/smilewoo.gif)
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No dude, I mean theres a list apparently!
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However It's gotta be a big list.
But we are now going to be lorded over by people other than Rob who are most likely other than good natured.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
The day before my suspension ends.
On the force we call that retirony.
Dude you're a cop?
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Branded, scorned as the one who ran.
What do you do when you're branded, and you know you're a man?
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No I was quoting the Simpsons.
I work at Radio Shack.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
However It's gotta be a big list.
But we are now going to be lorded over by people other than Rob who are most likely other than good natured.
I'm sure I'm on that list.......not that I plan on going back much. I think maybe I'll try and piss off Majere enough to get him banned forever. I don't like that Horse's Rear. ![[...rassamnfrackin...]](graemlins/grumble01.gif)
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
No I was quoting the Simpsons.
I work at Radio Shack.
My cousin is a cop and will be the best man at my wedding.....I just know that he tries to keep his comic addiction a secret from the rest of the force......I wondered if it was the same with you? I knew you didn't have a normal 9-5 job with the crazy hours you post here.
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Working at Radio Shack is exactly like that joke on the Simpsons:
Homer : We have to check every place a misguided misfit might run to.
Lisa: I'll check Radio Shack.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
Working at Radio Shack is exactly like that joke on the Simpsons:
Homer : We have to check every place a misguided misfit might run to.
Lisa: I'll check Radio Shack.
LMAO....
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
{...} the person in charge of most of the board decisions is so high on up the chain, im not even sure i know their name.
From a posting on the new boards' Websites area, it appears to be Vice President Richard Bruning. At least, he claims to have the whole dccomics.com site under his responsibility.
And he asked, "Does it rock?" Presumably meaning the whole cosmetic makeover of the site, not just the message boards. I gave a considerable list of items as to how, with all due respect, the boards at the heart of it do NOT rock.
I hope a word in his ear from the mods behind the scenes, or on the threads in public, will get them to stop this absurd middle-ground of autocensoring.
If it used asterisks, but let posts proceed, fine. (The "preview" could then tell us exactly what was offending and where, fer chrissake!)
If it gave a list of "offending" words instead, also fine. (Though that may be seen as too tender for kids' eyes. Why is everything dumbed down these days? But I digress.)
Instead, it neither actually censors, nor tells us WHAT is not permitted. Worst of both counts. I suspect a censorbot user guide from the users -- with "bad" words suitably "spaced out" -- will be created and posted in short order. I hope Rob and the other mods will let it persist in plain view.
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There's one thing really bugging me about this whole mess.
Supposedly, these boards have been used for ages on the other Wb boards (e.g. the Potter boards)
SO why are they such a buggy, dysfunctional, poorly concieved mess that lacks many essential (like the quote function) and near-essential features? Surely posters [and mods] on other boards must be bothered by this too, and at least some of it fixed. Are we the only ones who care that they're crap?
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Originally posted by Anonymous One:
My friend told me to post this as well:
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Originally posted by DavidEdwardMartin:
The Auto-censor is ridiculously restrictive.
DICK van ****? DICK Grayson? Josie and the P****cats? AcCUMulate?
I've had a bit of an addiction problem with these boards. The new, ill-conceived boards will make me go cold turkey and find something more useful to do with my time.
Good to see you Anonymous One. ![[cool]](images/icons/cool.gif)
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Okay, I was playing about in Proxomitron (Lets you tweak the web pages you're viewing. Based on two days of use (I had it recommended to me) its already invaluable]. More specifically, what I was doing was trying to dump the wasted inch on either side of the newdcboards. Eventually I managed it (replaced width=780 with width=95% and width="756" with width=100%). And the speed issues went away. I won't even pretend to know why, but changing those two widths from absolute to relative made the page load more than three times as fast, and the messages no longer turn up a minute after the header. [Yes I did try turning it off, testing it, and turning it back on and testing it. It still makes a huge difference.] Passing this one on anyway. Maybe if you got them to fix the widths to relative for everyone, it'd load faster for other people with problems. And maybe if they would be kind enough to do stuff like adding log out switches, quote functions, edit functions, dropdown board lists etc, fixing the autocensor and dumping the character limit, then there might be an outside chance that I'd stop moaning about the new boards...
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Originally posted by Greybird:
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
{...} the person in charge of most of the board decisions is so high on up the chain, im not even sure i know their name.
From a posting on the new boards' Websites area, it appears to be Vice President Richard Bruning. At least, he claims to have the whole dccomics.com site under his responsibility.
And he asked, "Does it rock?"
How hip of him.
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Hey Rob Caouldn't you swing by the "c'mon... that's all you got?" thread you started at the new DC boards and make a post showing people that you have been taking notes so that we'll know that you haven't completely abandoned us Darn. We might have gotten more smilies at the new boards but yours are much cooler ![[you sunnuva...]](images/icons/mad.gif) Tenz.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
Um Rob er eh ummmm Ok whats this "trouble" list and what do you mean it's being handed to various people? It's a Big Brother thing right?
oh absolutely. we have detailed files on everyone. cameras, ninjas, ... its all very high tech.
or...
its a list we have, to keep on record all the posters who say "vagina" on the boards. screen names, email addresses, IP addys, date/time, etc. whatever else might pertain to the situation.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
It's gotta be a big list.
aye.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
But we are now going to be lorded over by people other than Rob who are most likely other than good natured.
not necessarily. there are no new mods. its still just me. but, as always, other dc (and now wb) people browse the boards on occasion or request to check in on things (be it my work or yours)
and no, they're not as forgiving in most cases. they're ruthless, i tell ya!
one of the funniest parts of my job is when someone is so adamant that i'm wrong about removing the phrase "penis blister" from their post -- like i'm offending them or removing their rights by temporarily suspending their account. so, after many complaint emails back and forth with me, they'll ask (demand, i guess) to be referred to my superior...
who will then immediately, upon hearing the situation, ban them for life and delete further incoming emails.
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that'll show me!
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From a posting on the new boards' Websites area, it appears to be Vice President Richard Bruning. At least, he claims to have the whole dccomics.com site under his responsibility.
he's one of'em!
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Originally posted by Greybird:
And he asked, "Does it rock?" Presumably meaning the whole cosmetic makeover of the site, not just the message boards. I gave a considerable list of items as to how, with all due respect, the boards at the heart of it do NOT rock.
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SO why are they such a buggy, dysfunctional, poorly concieved mess that lacks many essential (like the quote function) and near-essential features? Surely posters [and mods] on other boards must be bothered by this too, and at least some of it fixed. Are we the only ones who care that they're crap?
alright... without ANY impression that i represent DC or WB in any way, shape or form... here's the "rob kamphausen: private citizen" view on the ordeal, providing the simple answer to "somebody's" final question above:
the simple answer is, yeah, you are the only ones who care.
now lemme es-plain. don't get me wrong here. neither DC nor WB are the evil corporate conglomerates many dream them up to be. there are no chains nor firey pits nor pitchforks amongst its esteemed. there was no late night meeting to discuss how they could remove the "edit fucntion" from you, once again.
they're just regular people at a business. "business" being the operative word, here.
and, frankly, the fact that they're providing ANY type of free message board is an amazingly kind gesture on their parts.
![[worst. icon. ever.]](graemlins/comicguy-icon00.gif) please to note: neither marvel, nor pepsi, nor nintendo, nor nokia (etc) provide such a service, and no one is attacking them
yeah, i know the "well i buy all their books and pay for their cars" arguments are rampant. and there is some truth to that. but, you're paying for books, and getting the books. the end. they're giving a way a service on the internet for your benefit, which they receive NOTHING in return for.
that deserves some (mondo) credit.
and, for those unaware, the costs of maintaining the boards are enormous. their costs, not yours.
bandwith (which is sorta the internet term for "traffic") is crazy expensive. trust me, i've run into some personal problems with it on my site. and, with the dcmbs being as highly hit as they are (we're talkin a few thousand posts a day, on average), the costs run up to the thousands -- on a monthly basis.
does WB have the money to cover that? sure. but that doesn't mean that they have to or that they want to or even that they should. however, they are. a nice freebie for their fans and no other secretive reason. thats a good thing!
so, yeah, no "quoting feature"? i hear ya (and agree with ya!), thats ridiculous, annoying, and frustrating. its something every basic message board should have, and excluding the option is very silly.
but just always keep in mind how much worse it could be, were there NO boards at all (runnin on 4+ years now)
i'm rob kamphausen, thanks for listening.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
and, frankly, the fact that they're providing ANY type of free message board is an amazingly kind gesture on their parts.
And for that we are indeed grateful, but I really doubt a quote feature or a higher character limit would really be a lot harder for them to make and handle than what we got. The character limit can cause one of two things. Either we get a lot more posts just cut up in several posts instead of just one or a lot of the people that post longer insightful posts will leave the board altogether and we'll be left with a lot of short "I agree" and/or "You suck" posts. Ok, I'm oversimplifying things but I think you get my drift.
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please to note: neither marvel, nor pepsi, nor nintendo, nor nokia (etc) provide such a service, and no one is attacking them
Huh?? Where have you been? If I'm not mistaken there have been several thread on the DC boards themselves complaining about the lack of official Marvel boards and Marvel isn't even on topic on those boards. Furthermore I remember a huge outroar when they removed them a year ago (or has it been longer?)
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
bandwith (which is sorta the internet term for "traffic") is crazy expensive. trust me, i've run into some personal problems with it on my site. and, with the dcmbs being as highly hit as they are (we're talkin a few thousand posts a day, on average), the costs run up to the thousands -- on a monthly basis.
That sound EXTREMELY expensive and unless you are vastly underexagerating the number of posts the boards get each day they really ought to get another provider as that sounds way too expensive. Comicboards for instance also gets at least a thousand posts every day and as far as I'm aware they don't spend anywhere near that kind of money. Actually I'd say they are closer to a hundred than the thousands.
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
I really doubt a quote feature or a higher character limit would really be a lot harder for them to make and handle than what we got.
maybe. maybe not. really, without a working knowledge of the system, its hard to say just what is or is not a difficult addition.
for example, people often protested for an "edit" feature on the current/old DCMBs. the majority of their reasoning was that its such a small, simple add-on, it should be added immediately, based solely on demand.
what most were unaware of, however, is the intense processor drain an edit feature causes on a board as large as the DCMBs. adding that "small, simple" feature would have caused many a forum break down.
similarly, the sheer amount of topics on the dcmbs caused a situation where i had to go in and delete any post older than 60 days, just to keep the system running.
letting all of the older posts accumulate would have slowed the forum to a halt.
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
If I'm not mistaken there have been several thread on the DC boards themselves complaining about the lack of official Marvel boards and Marvel isn't even on topic on those boards. Furthermore I remember a huge outroar when they removed them a year ago (or has it been longer?)
point being, DC is offering something, where as other companies are offering nothing. those companies chose to offer nothing due to the limitless amount of problems, issues, and expenses -- not to mention complaints!
the 2 or 3 monthly "marvel boards" threads pale in comparison to the amount of posts or emails i or others get on the boards.
looking at the message boards forum on the new dcmbs, there are, literally, hundreds of complaints amassed in less than a week's time. not to say that i dont agree with any or even most of them, but... "yadda yadda."
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
That sound EXTREMELY expensive and unless you are vastly underexagerating the number of posts the boards get each day they really ought to get another provider as that sounds way too expensive.
unfortunately, its not a case of a server provider -- its simply a fact of the web. bandwidth is where the money is. maybe there are better deals out there, but the differences would be negligible.
for awhile, i had a flash animation movie on my personal site generating thousands of visits a day. my costs quickly shot up to over $650 a month.
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Comicboards for instance also gets at least a thousand posts every day and as far as I'm aware they don't spend anywhere near that kind of money.
bandwith doesn't simply tabulate the amount of action on a message boards, it also takes into account the amount of visits to a forum and/or site. people that browse the boards are doing just as much bandwith "damage" as those who post on it.
so anyone, anywhere, that does a net search for "batman" or "superman" and stumbles upon the DCMBs is costing DC cash.
annoying, huh?
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
Actually I'd say they are closer to a hundred than the thousands.
even still -- lets say the boards cost DC $150 bucks a month. thats still a boat load of cash to offer up on a service where they're not getting anything in return.
its a gift horse. sure, its only got 3 legs, but... its still a gift.
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for example, people often protested for an "edit" feature on the current/old DCMBs. the majority of their reasoning was that its such a small, simple add-on, it should be added immediately, based solely on demand.
I admit that I have little knowledge of the workings of such add-ons I can easily see how an edit-function can be a huge drain on the processor but I must admit I fail to see how a simple quote function could be that much of a drain. Actually I don't think I've ever visited another message board that didn't have that option. I guess I've just been lucky.
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similarly, the sheer amount of topics on the dcmbs caused a situation where i had to go in and delete any post older than 60 days, just to keep the system running.
Wow. You had to do that manually? I would have thought it easy to just have some sort of timeout that deleted any nonactive thread after 2 months.
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point being, DC is offering something, where as other companies are offering nothing. those companies chose to offer nothing due to the limitless amount of problems, issues, and expenses -- not to mention complaints!
I got that point. However, you were saying that there wasn't a lot of complaints about there not being a Marvel board for instance and that's just not true. Back when they discontinued the boards there was a huge uproar and while there aren't as many complaints now that doesn't mean people aren't pissed that there aren't any. Most of the people that were around back when there were some boards have just realised that nothing was going to happen no matter what they did. If only getting an official message board was as easy as saving Spider-Girl from cancellation ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
I'm axtremely grateful that we have some official DC boards and that is why I don't have a lot of complaints about the new boards myself. If only we could get a quote function and either gotten the character limit removed or at least make it 8000 or so I wouldn't really have much of a problem as things would be pretty much like on the old board.
And while I'm grateful that they have the boards and you're right that they don't need to, they did state in the books that the reason they removed the letters pages was because of the boards. I wonder how much they are saving by not having the letters pages and freeing up the space for adverticing (even if it is the DC in Demand page that only advertices for their own stuff)
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
the 2 or 3 monthly "marvel boards" threads pale in comparison to the amount of posts or emails i or others get on the boards.
Which is in a way quite understandable cause why come to the DC Message Boards to discuss the lack of Marvel boards?
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
looking at the message boards forum on the new dcmbs, there are, literally, hundreds of complaints amassed in less than a week's time. not to say that i dont agree with any or even most of them, but... "yadda yadda."
Well, is it really any wonder. We are going from a system that worked to a system that is full of bugs, a lot less user-friendly and only works for a limited number of browsers for instance. You can't make such a change and not expect people to react. In a year or so I doubt you'll see as many complaints even if it stays the way it is. That doesn't mean those complaints weren't valid though. Sure, some of the complaints might seem a bit trival and out there but when you get a new board you normally expect something better rather than something worse.
If I was to expect something worse every time a comic got a new creative team I would probably have stopped reading a loong time ago.
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bandwith doesn't simply tabulate the amount of action on a message boards, it also takes into account the amount of visits to a forum and/or site. people that browse the boards are doing just as much bandwith "damage" as those who post on it.
so anyone, anywhere, that does a net search for "batman" or "superman" and stumbles upon the DCMBs is costing DC cash.
Well, that's the case for the other message boards as well and while they might not get as much action as Comicboards but make a search for "Superman message board", "Batman message board" and so on and you'll get a link to those boards a long time before you get anything from DC itself. I have no doubt the DC Message Boards get more action though but those prices just seem really out there.
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even still -- lets say the boards cost DC $150 bucks a month. thats still a boat load of cash to offer up on a service where they're not getting anything in return.
Well, they ARE getting reader feedback and interestingly enough some readers are willing to put up the cash needed to run DC boards without getting ANYTHING but a place to discuss comics.
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
I admit that I have little knowledge of the workings of such add-ons I can easily see how an edit-function can be a huge drain on the processor but I must admit I fail to see how a simple quote function could be that much of a drain. Actually I don't think I've ever visited another message board that didn't have that option. I guess I've just been lucky.
just depends on the program used. earlier versions of infopop (what i use here and what the old dcmbs were) couldn't do quotes, either. they can now, of course.
apparently, the current WB versions can not (meaning any site that features a WB board). i've seen many others that do not -- tho certainly more that do. maybe its temporary, maybe it isn't.
but i assure you, little if anything on the web can be considered "simple"
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Wow. You had to do that manually? I would have thought it easy to just have some sort of timeout that deleted any nonactive thread after 2 months.
nope. and it wasn't fun! but y'see, now doesn't that sound like a simple request? from the moderator, no less!
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you were saying that there wasn't a lot of complaints about there not being a Marvel board for instance and that's just not true.
its probably just a matter of wording. my focus is not in the complaint itself, really, but rather the service. none of the named companies currently feature sites with message boards.
lemme bottom line the point: you're getting something, free of charge, from DC, a forum -- so "don't press your luck" when the alternative is the marvel forum (non existant!)
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
they did state in the books that the reason they removed the letters pages was because of the boards. I wonder how much they are saving by not having the letters pages and freeing up the space for adverticing (even if it is the DC in Demand page that only advertices for their own stuff)
no clue. i'd guess not much at all, if anything, but i honestly have no idea. thats a whole different outlet.
but i do know the letters pages didn't feature a "quote" option
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Which is in a way quite understandable cause why come to the DC Message Boards to discuss the lack of Marvel boards?
true.
but why come to any comic book message board to complain about the site?
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Well, is it really any wonder. We are going from a system that worked to a system that is full of bugs, a lot less user-friendly and only works for a limited number of browsers for instance. You can't make such a change and not expect people to react.
surely, your last statement is true. especially with comic book fans!
but, oddly enough, there are quite a few people that enjoy the new boards moreso than the old.
and not without reason. the new boards are (in theory) much less problematic, cache/load much smoother, and offer quite a few newer features (font colors and sizes, post preview, more detailed profiles, to name a few), etc.
its not all bad.
and anyone that felt the original dcmb is a utopia is certainly news to me!
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I have no doubt the DC Message Boards get more action though but those prices just seem really out there.
they suck, its true!
$650 a month for a wee guy like me didn't sit well, at all.
the dcmbs, the dc site, wildstorm, etc, get a tremendous amount of more traffic than other comic sites (save marvel), in browsing, searching, and in actual activity.
last i checked (few months back now) dc's sites (spidered together) rank in the top 2,500 of all sites on the net, in terms of bandwith usage.
yahoo (normally within the top 5 sites) pays ... a lot... id wager tens of thousands on a monthly basis, if not more.
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
Well, they ARE getting reader feedback and interestingly enough some readers are willing to put up the cash needed to run DC boards without getting ANYTHING but a place to discuss comics.
hey, if anyone out there is willing to cover dc's message boards expenses, ill gladly pass on the note to let'em know!
dc might get you a car!
in the meantime, there are lotsa posters out there creating their own lil sites people can whine and scream on. like me!
overall, don't get me wrong. as i've said ad naseum within this very thread, the new dcmbs are not anything id ever refer to as a "favorite."
i can see the errors and mistakes and glitches and problems as well as anyone else -- and in many cases better (and sooner!).
but the whole purpose of my lil editorial above was to point out the simple fact that the message boards are a gift from a business in an industry that seems to do nothing but lose money.
surely, there are better things to complain about!
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Isn't it possible that we might yet see some of the concerns addressed, even though they haven't been yet? I mean, if DC runs anything like the company I work for, even minor upgrades don't happen overnight. Perhaps TPTB are just figuring what is or is not fixable before going ahead with anything. The new boards have only been up for about a week. Maybe they want to figure out the best course and just do everything at once.
No immediate action doesn't necessarily mean that no action will be taken, does it? :)
Besides which, even though there are a few things that I might like to see changed, the new boards aren't horrible, really. They just aren't as good as the old boards. However, if they are run by the same program as the WB Boards, then I think many of the concerns are fixable, and we may yet see changes happen soon.
I'm such an optimist :)
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Well personally, only boards I've seen which would be near perfect would be the boards at Wrestling Classics.com.
It's infopop/UBB... Version 6.3.1.1.
No avatars (thankfully), but it's got search, quote, edit, PMs... it's the previous generation of these Gob Boards.
IMO, These boards are a bit tricked up... the avatars and all slow down loading time. With WC, No avatars, quicker loading.
And the old DC Boards... if they'd had search, and edit, they would've been a veritable utopia. They loaded quick, the colors were fine, everyone was happy.
Not that anyone asked for an opinion, but I gave mine anyway.
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Originally posted by Princess Crujectra:
Isn't it possible that we might yet see some of the concerns addressed, even though they haven't been yet?
absolutely!
in fact, some of the requested changes have already been made, just in the past week (profile links, post ordering, quick links up top, etc). and yeah, more are on the way!
what can and can not be done isn't even known yet, but every serious suggestion made in the "message boards" forum is being looked at.
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Originally posted by First National Bastard:
IMO, These boards are a bit tricked up... the avatars and all slow down loading time. With WC, No avatars, quicker loading.
i try to keep all the avatars here limited to 1 kb each, in order to speed up the downloads (especially for those on slower PCs)
however, if you just wanna nuke'em all together, go into your profile and look for "Hide Avatars of Other Users?" -- pick yes, and yer good to go
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Wow... there's that option? This place has thought of everything! Maybe these are nice, clean, family friendly boards! ...but I would've felt much more honored if ya had taken the redneck stance, and said something like "forums.robkamphausen.com... love it or leave it!!!"
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Originally posted by First National Bastard:
...but I would've felt much more honored if ya had taken the redneck stance, and said something like "forums.robkamphausen.com... love it or leave it!!!"
i'm savin that for the new dcmbs!
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Let me start with what you said last: quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
surely, there are better things to complain about!
Yup. There sure is. No doubt about that but complaining is fun
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
apparently, the current WB versions can not (meaning any site that features a WB board). i've seen many others that do not -- tho certainly more that do. maybe its temporary, maybe it isn't.
Well, personally I don't have that much of a problem with the lack of a no-quote feature as I usually end up breaking it into lots of pieces anyway so in the end it is probably almost as easy copying and pasting the parts I want to quote myself. The character limit annoys me though. Now if only there was an easy way of counting the characters used or some function that automatically let you know you had exceeded it before you tried posting that probably wouldn't annoy me that much either.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but i do know the letters pages didn't feature a "quote" option
Absolutely sure about that?
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but why come to any comic book message board to complain about the site?
In the hope that it might improve? Just a crazy guess. Complaining about Marvel's site on the DC board is a bit strange though... said the man complaining about the DC Message Boards on something other than the DC boards ![[yuh huh]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
Now if only you visited the DC Boards....
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
surely, your last statement is true. especially with comic book fans!
TV show fans seem to be just as bad at (or is that "good at" ??) complaining.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but, oddly enough, there are quite a few people that enjoy the new boards moreso than the old.
and not without reason. the new boards are (in theory) much less problematic, cache/load much smoother, and offer quite a few newer features (font colors and sizes, post preview, more detailed profiles, to name a few), etc.
I actually like them quite well for the most part and only have a few complaints. As for the cache/loading are you quite sure that's supposed to be faster, cause that's not the experience I have. Every time it has to load a page it need to reload all images as none of them seem to be stored in the cache which slows up the loading. I like the new features though and with a few minor adjustments I'd say the wins outweighs the losses. At least in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
and anyone that felt the original dcmb is a utopia is certainly news to me!
Everything can get better. Hell, if it was to be a utopian message board for me it would have to lose the whole UBB platform and go for a more newsgroup-like style as they are a lot easier to follow when a thread goes in various different directions, but that's just me.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
yahoo (normally within the top 5 sites) pays ... a lot... id wager tens of thousands on a monthly basis, if not more.
![[gulp!]](gulp.gif) Hmm, maybe I should stop linking to my homepage in my sig.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
hey, if anyone out there is willing to cover dc's message boards expenses, ill gladly pass on the note to let'em know!
dc might get you a car!
I'm from Denmark so I very much doubt they'd give me a car as that would set them back more than 20 years of running the message boards even if they got me a crappy one.
And under no circumstances would I be willing to finance a board setup like the new one. I'd demand quality and that's just not in the cards.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
in the meantime, there are lotsa posters out there creating their own lil sites people can whine and scream on. like me!
Too bad your board sucks as well
Ok, maybe not but why praise when you can complain
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but the whole purpose of my lil editorial above was to point out the simple fact that the message boards are a gift from a business in an industry that seems to do nothing but lose money.
Well, we could discuss that as well but unfortunately it seems the industry is set on burying itself instead of turning things around for the better so unlike the message boards that discussion is already a lost cause ![[nyah hah]](images/icons/tongue.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
complaining is fun
point!
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
Now if only you visited the DC Boards....
which ones are they again? hulk?
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
As for the cache/loading are you quite sure that's supposed to be faster, cause that's not the experience I have. Every time it has to load a page it need to reload all images as none of them seem to be stored in the cache which slows up the loading.
that sounds to me like a browser issue of sorts. or, perhaps, even a browser setting?
one major complaint heard thus far (and really, one that should have been given more consideration in the boards design) is compatability. macs, web tv, netscape, older AOL IE's, even various built in newer IEs have all reported varying amounts of trouble loading the pages.
in most newer IEs (and, possibly, just in newer IEs), the pages load very fast, and cache every 60-90 seconds or so for optimal speed.
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
Hmm, maybe I should stop linking to my homepage in my sig.
don't bother -- its their bill!
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
And under no circumstances would I be willing to finance a board setup like the new one. I'd demand quality and that's just not in the cards.
hey, if yer willing to fit the bill, it'd be your call for the boards. your design, your program, your setup, etc.
... and you deal with the complaints!
(or pay my salary to!)
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
unfortunately it seems the industry is set on burying itself instead of turning things around for the better so unlike the message boards that discussion is already a lost cause
especially if all the above is true, then a freebie comics gift, like even the crappiest of message boards, should be praised to no end!
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
hey, if yer willing to fit the bill, it'd be your call for the boards. your design, your program, your setup, etc.
... and you deal with the complaints!
(or pay my salary to!)
Well, you are fairly cheap aren't you?
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Gobert - its not all charity and goodwill on earth from WB, ofcourse...they get people talking about thier product. Betcha anything its in their accounts as "advertising".
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The good ole days have come to an end. The old message boards are now only available if you have the direct link as the rest of the DC Website has been updated and now leads to the new boards. ![[sad]](images/icons/frown.gif) Well, as good old Alf once said: "My name is Alf, and I'm stuck on Earth Can't get back to my place of birth. I'm making the best of a bad situation, and think of it as an extended vacation" Not really sure if that quote works in this context but it was the first thing that popped up in my head Tenz.
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Just saw the new site. Leading to the new boards. Anyone need a link? Pre-Crisis DCMB
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quote:
Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
Well, you are fairly cheap aren't you?
depends on what yer payin for.
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and no, i wont.
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Originally posted by Dave:
Gobert - its not all charity and goodwill on earth from WB, ofcourse...they get people talking about thier product. Betcha anything its in their accounts as "advertising".
oh, absolutely! im not trying to paint the people at WB as peace loving hippies (cuz if they were, apparently i'd ban'em!).
i was just trying to counter all the "this is bull shit" talk with a little "its not all bull shit" rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Tenzel Kim:
Well, as good old Alf once said:
"My name is Alf, and I'm stuck on Earth
Can't get back to my place of birth.
I'm making the best of a bad situation,
and think of it as an extended vacation"
alf.
is there anything he can't do?
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
alf.
is there anything he can't do?
Apparently he coulnd't stop shooting Black Tar Heroine.
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sad but true.
also "sad but true" .... the original DCMBs are no more.
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