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Yeah that's been said a couple of times in this forum. It's not that I see Hillary as the greatest thing ever & would probably be more willing to discuss all her flaws if there wasn't an overabundance of it already from other posters in this forum.
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Biden’s Embellishments Could Provide Easy Fodder for GOP- When Joe Biden claimed at a Democratic debate last year that he had been “shot at” while visiting Baghdad’s Green Zone, the press didn’t bother to check it out, since Biden’s White House bid seemed unlikely to succeed.
But now that he has been catapulted into contention by virtue of being selected as Barack Obama’s running mate, Biden and such bullet-dodging tales may be subjected to a level of scrutiny that tripped up Hillary Clinton when she falsely claimed to have come under sniper fire in Bosnia.
And Republicans would have a litany of apparent inconsistencies and embellishments to pick through.
Biden's Son Employed in Profession Obama Disdains: Lobbying- Barack Obama's speech announcing his running mate Joe Biden singled out the Delaware senator's son who is headed for Iraq. Obama didn't mention the profession of Biden's other son, who lobbied for two drug companies and five universities. Hunter Biden, 38, described as a lawyer in the biography of his father distributed yesterday by the Obama campaign, lobbied for clients that paid his firm at least $380,000 in the first six months of this year, federal records show. Both Obama and Republican presidential rival John McCain have said lobbyists may not work on their campaigns.
Biden, Obama at Odds Over Lobbyist Donations- Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama has made a pledge not to accept money from lobbyists, but his running mate - Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. - has collected over $200,000 from registered lobbyists in this year alone, according to a search of Senate lobbying records. Mr. Biden's unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign and his still-pending race to be re-elected to the U.S. Senate in Delaware, according to the records, collected another $86,000 from lobbyists this year. The senator's political action committee, Unite Our States, also received $120,500 from lobbyists this year, the records show.
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Biden seems to be at least interested in foreign policy. He was in Georgia this week, for example. I guess us Europeans should be happy with him as potential VP.
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How did that photo op go? Did it help matters?
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Biden seems to be at least interested in foreign policy. He was in Georgia this week, for example. I guess us Europeans should be happy with him as potential VP. Who gives a shit what the Europeans think? Both McCain and Obama need someone strong with economics. Biden doesn't give him that.
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Sweden doesn't think US VPs should cater to their own country.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_el_pr/biden_mbna A son of Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden was paid an undisclosed amount of money as a consultant by MBNA, the largest employer in Delaware, during the years the senator supported legislation that was promoted by the credit card industry and opposed by consumer groups.
Barack Obama's presidential campaign said Biden helped forge a bipartisan compromise on the measure, which is now law and makes it harder for consumers to obtain bankruptcy protection in the courts.
MBNA's consulting payments to Hunter Biden, first reported by The New York Times, followed his departure in 2001 from the company, where he had been an executive.
Obama opposed the bankruptcy law, enacted in 2005, while Biden supported it.
David Wade, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said that "after working in the Clinton administration in the Department of Commerce on Internet privacy and online commerce issues, Hunter consulted for five years as an expert on these very same issues at a time of enormous expansion in online banking."
At the time Hunter Biden was receiving consulting payments from MBNA, he also was a Washington lobbyist at a firm he had co-founded.
"He was not a lobbyist for MBNA, and his work had absolutely nothing to do with the bankruptcy bill. Zero. Nothing," said Wade.
Resurrecting Biden's role in the bankruptcy legislation could undercut one of the Obama campaign's lines of attack: That his Republican opponent, John McCain, is insensitive to the financial woes of middle-class Americans.
Consumer and civil rights groups and unions, as well as Democratic opponents, had argued that the bankruptcy legislation was unfair to low-income working people, single mothers, minorities and the elderly, and would remove a safety net for those who have lost their jobs or face mounting medical bills.
The financial services industry made the case that bankruptcy frequently is a refuge of gamblers, impulsive shoppers, divorced or separated fathers avoiding child support, and multimillionaires who buy mansions in states with liberal exemptions to shelter assets from creditors.
When the Senate Judiciary Committee approved the bill early in 2005, Biden, Dianne Feinstein of California and Herb Kohl of Wisconsin were the only Democrats to vote with the Republican majority. Biden also voted for the bill on final passage in the Senate, while Obama voted against it.
MBNA employees have poured more than $200,000 into Biden's Senate campaigns over the past two decades, making donors working for the credit card company the senator's largest source of campaign money.
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unfortunately lobbyists have influence on all sides. this seems like a bad vote on Biden's part, but in 35 years of voting everyone has some bad vote.
It does seem like with this and the quote that grandpa put in his signature that Biden might not have been the best matched for Obama.
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it also proves Obama will say or do anything to get elected.
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unfortunately lobbyists have influence on all sides. this seems like a bad vote on Biden's part, but in 35 years of voting everyone has some bad vote.
It does seem like with this and the quote that grandpa put in his signature that Biden might not have been the best matched for Obama. Unfortunately for the campaign, all the bumperstickers have been already been printed and shipped:  Expect to see these suckers on every Prius in Frisco within a matter of days.
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it also proves Obama will say or do anything to get elected. and mccain is some model of perfection? 
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Yes! McCain has NEVER had any ties to lobbyists (cough-Abramoff-cough), and has certainly never been involved in any sort of influence buying (KEATING FIVE-ahem).
I can't wait for Obama to finally take the gloves off and go after McLame on his pathetic record of corruption, insanity, and endless flip-flops. Of course, he might go the classier route and use Biden as his attack dog instead.
Either way, it'll be fun to watch Republicans try to invent new excuses to vote for the man they hate... the man they're stuck with. I'm gonna be laughing all the way to President Obama's inauguration party.
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Biden seems to be at least interested in foreign policy. He was in Georgia this week, for example. I guess us Europeans should be happy with him as potential VP. Who gives a shit what the Europeans think? Both McCain and Obama need someone strong with economics. Biden doesn't give him that. I just stated my P.O.V., there's no need to be a douche about it. If you haven't noticed it, lots of non-Americans are interested in your presidential election. That does not mean we will (or can) force you to choose a candidate, but we may - politely - make suggestions. Perhaps Biden isn't strong in economics, but then again, Obama will later choose a cabinet (if he becomes a president). At least Biden is an experienced politician, so the McCain-followers can't longer be critic about Obama's supposed "lack" of experience, especially in foreign policy which have been McCain's ace. (Before McCain said there was a border between Iraq and Pakistan, anyway.)
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it also proves Obama will say or do anything to get elected. He's a politician. What do you expect?
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How did that photo op go? Did it help matters? As soon as I hear about shipments of Stinger missiles to Caucasus, I'll let you know.
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Sweden doesn't think US VPs should cater to their own country. Are you unaware about USA's interests in Caucasus? The expansion of NATO? The oil and gas pipelines in the region?
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Biden seems to be at least interested in foreign policy. He was in Georgia this week, for example. I guess us Europeans should be happy with him as potential VP. Who gives a shit what the Europeans think? Both McCain and Obama need someone strong with economics. Biden doesn't give him that. I just stated my P.O.V., there's no need to be a douche about it. If you haven't noticed it, lots of non-Americans are interested in your presidential election. That does not mean we will (or can) force you to choose a candidate, but we may - politely - make suggestions. Perhaps Biden isn't strong in economics, but then again, Obama will later choose a cabinet (if he becomes a president). At least Biden is an experienced politician, so the McCain-followers can't longer be critic about Obama's supposed "lack" of experience, especially in foreign policy which have been McCain's ace. (Before McCain said there was a border between Iraq and Pakistan, anyway.) Obama needs someone with economic experience now in order to get elected. The economy is what people worry about most. With Iraq settling down, foreign policy isn't as high on the American agenda right now. Obama needs someone who can make his economic policies make sense to the American people.
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Sweden doesn't think US VPs should cater to their own country. Are you unaware about USA's interests in Caucasus? You make one hell of a Caucasus, Jackie......
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I've been impressed with Joe Biden recently. I haven't had the chance to look at his record, but the man is smart and has an air of dignity to him (a marked change from Dubya).
: - At the Windmill Ice Cream Shop in Aliquippa, Penn, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, asked his running mate if he was getting hard of soft ice cream.
"Let's see what we've got here," Obama said as he approached the counter.
"So," he said to Biden, "you decided to go with soft?"
"I'm getting hard!" Biden said. "I'm a hard guy!"
Chuckles all around as Obama orders his wife a small sundae.
 
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ABC News: - At a town hall meeting at the Palm Beach County Convention Center in West Palm Beach, Florida, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del, ignored pleas from his staff to wrap up, and riffed for an hour and 15 minutes.
The evening was full of Biden-isms, including the inevitable Obama/Osama slip, made when Biden was discussing the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border "where Obama, Osama Bin Laden lives..."
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Biden seems to be at least interested in foreign policy. He was in Georgia this week, for example. I guess us Europeans should be happy with him as potential VP. Who gives a shit what the Europeans think? Both McCain and Obama need someone strong with economics. Biden doesn't give him that. I just stated my P.O.V., there's no need to be a douche about it. If you haven't noticed it, lots of non-Americans are interested in your presidential election. That does not mean we will (or can) force you to choose a candidate, but we may - politely - make suggestions. Perhaps Biden isn't strong in economics, but then again, Obama will later choose a cabinet (if he becomes a president). At least Biden is an experienced politician, so the McCain-followers can't longer be critic about Obama's supposed "lack" of experience, especially in foreign policy which have been McCain's ace. (Before McCain said there was a border between Iraq and Pakistan, anyway.) Obama needs someone with economic experience now in order to get elected. The economy is what people worry about most. With Iraq settling down, foreign policy isn't as high on the American agenda right now. Obama needs someone who can make his economic policies make sense to the American people. Good point. Especially now when McCain's choice for VP, Sarah Palin, made sound financial decisions as Governor. Then again, Obama can always make the point that the US economy has gone down due to the war in Iraq and Bush's tax cuts, something McCain has in part supported.
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Obama can make that case, but without any explainations on how he's going to fix it, especially with his plans to increase government spending to support all the programs he wants to put in place, it's going to fall flat. Especially if the dollar keeps gaining strength and gas prices keep coming down.
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Obama can make that case, but without any explainations on how he's going to fix it, especially with his plans to increase government spending to support all the programs he wants to put in place, it's going to fall flat. Especially if the dollar keeps gaining strength and gas prices keep coming down. Why would a dollar with higher value and a lower gas price be bad things for Obama?
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The Dems are running on the 'Bush is Bad' line again this year. If the economy rebounds, that's one less thing for them to bitch about and try to hang on the Republicans, and more specifically, McCain's neck.
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Interestingly, I've seen many fascis--oops, Bushdrones insisting that while gas prices were high, it "had to be the Democrats' fault--after all, they've been in charge of Congress for over a year!"
Always nice to that level of flexibility in their pathetic rationalizations.
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