RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Barack Hussein Obama in '08?

That's the stupidest thing you could say. Seriously, you just shot yourself in the foot.

To my knowledge, neither BSAMS nor PJP ever disliked McCain. And even when I started pushing for McCain out of fear of Obama becoming president, I have never let up on how much of a fucking idiot he is. I'm not sure if G-man feels as strongly about McCain's assholery as I do, but I imagine he's not supporting McCain so much as he's against Obama--Of course, that was before he realized the futility of trying to fight the inevitable rise of the Obamaocracy.

You are the one who's pulled a 180 on Hillary in favor of putting Obama on a pedestal.

I still have problems with Obama Pariah & think Hillary would make a better President. How have I put Obama on a pedestal?

How haven't you?

Well I've repeatedly said that I still like McCain. I don't have pages & pages of posts trying to tear McCain down. Most of the criticism I've had for Obama still hasn't changed. Where's the pedestal Pariah?

well 6 months ago you praised McCain and blasted Obama. The minute he got the nom you followed. Which is fair since you are a dem and usually vote dem but you did say some nasty things about Obama. I never said anything Nasty about McCain and he was always my second choice after Rudy.

Even there I still wasn't for changing Obama's religion for him to help get my candidate more votes. There is no high road there PJP.

I wasn't talking about McCain. I was talking about Obama. The fact that you avoid talking about Obama just proves you're full of shit.

I fail to see how not criticising Obama enough to suit someone who's voting McCain is putting Obama on a pedestal. A bit of an exageration on your part IMHO but all part of the campaign fever that I original was talking about.

Yet again, you avoid talking about the specificity of your paradigm switch in regards to Obama.

I thought we were talking about your exageration about me putting Obama on a pedestal?

I said that many criticisms I have of Obama are still there. I've consistently said that changing his religion for him was a bunch of crap even when Hillary was in the game. Hardly a 180 degree change that you call it.

I'm sure that's what you're inferring, but what I'm saying is that you're being evasive.



Of which you're being very selective about stating.

Actually you brought it up & instead of defending it you moved on presumably because you & I know it's an exageration.



Of which you're being very selective about stating. [/quote]

I'm not sure what the problem is there Pariah, unless you feel I haven't criticised Obama in the past & I think it's recognized that I have.

You inferring exaggeration means I'm inferring exaggeration?



Of course you have. And now you're tucking it under the carpet.

I don't see it as inferring but just recognizing it for what it is.



Odd I just said I still had criticisms of Obama & you consider it tucking it under the carpet. Seems we're moving towards more exageration on your part.

I supported McCain for years, what are you on? I've never really seen anything to criticize him on, he's a moderate like myself, give and take.

If you take away the associations with terrorist, closet Muslim beliefs, terrorist appeasement policies, 20 years of bigot church attendance, killing of babies and antisemitism, I may very well have voted for Obama myself.

So in other words, you have him on a pedestal?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/10/21/Obama_camp_to_charge_for_Nov_4_access/UPI-79741224638560/






...this is a preview of his Press Tax he plans to implement as Glorious Leader....

Of course, this won't bother the center-left media at all. They'll just view it as yet another willing donation to the coffers of the Benevolent Adjudicator in his war against the voices that must be silenced.

How can you recognize the way things are when you're inferring such erroneous ideas?



Once again, you fail another opportunity to strengthen the argument that you're still critical of Obama.

PARIAH! Off topic forum. Now. Your woman is back.

Perhaps you should explain your charge that I put Obama on a pedestal then? Do any of the McCain posse put their guy on a pedestal? Do you feel there are any liberals on this board that don't put Obama on a pedestal?

I think there are many liberals here who are silent because they dont agree with Obama.

Here is a candidate that wont release his birth records, his college papers(Which Bush, Gore, McCain and Kerry have all done when running for Pres.), his whole life is a secret. If you have nothing to hide, then open up.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-money.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443913,00.html

OPEC Cuts Oil Production in Move to Boost Prices
Friday, October 24, 2008



Take that, OPEC.

The international oil cartel agreed Friday to cut daily production by 1.5 million barrels in a move to drive up prices on the international market — and, at the gas pump.

But, crude oil futures went in the other direction, falling 5 percent Friday in London trading on speculation that demand will continue to fall.

Oil fell sharply in morning trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, with light sweet crude priced for December delivery at $64.40.

Hardline OPEC members Iran and Venezuela had been pushing members to slice production by 2 million barrels a day, with Iran's oil minister declaring, "The era of cheap oil is finished." When asked before Friday's meeting what price Iran would want for its oil, Gholam Hossein Nozari boasted, "The more the better."

OPEC, meanwhile, cited lower demand and market surpluses as reason for reducing output.

"The financial crisis is already having a noticeable impact on the world economy, dampening the demand for energy...and oil in particular," OPEC said in a press release after the decision was announced. "This slowdown in oil demand is serving to exacerbate the situation in a market which has been oversupplied with crude for some time."

It also noted that the collapse in oil prices — which have fallen over 55 percent since their mid-July peaks — may jeopardize oil projects and threaten supply growth in the medium term.

Iran is a traditional OPEC hardliner on prices and production and is the second largest producer within the organization. Saudi Arabia leads OPEC production, and was expected to lobby ministers for a smaller cut than proposed by Iran and Venezuela.

Iran has taken a liking to astronomical oil prices, using its newfound wealth to fuel its nuclear program in defiance of the U.S. and the global community.

Sam Gault, president of Gault Inc., a fifth-generation, family-owned oil business in Westport, Conn., said the Saudis still control OPEC's actions.

"Its really going to come down to whether Saudi Arabia wants to cut production, because they're the ones that can afford to cut production," Gault told FOXNews.com. "A lot of times the different members of OPEC wind up cheating on their quotas."

Analysts at JBC Energy in Vienna, Austria, said that the oil cartel is likely to request non-OPEC producers, including Russia, to cooperate with them "in order to hinder the price slide."

"Behind the scenes negotiations (with Russia) are going on and a well-publicized joint cut is still possible," the analysts wrote in a report Thursday.

Over the last four weeks, gasoline demand fell 4.3 percent from the same period last year,a ccording to industry analysts. Distillate fuel demand was down 5.8 percent, and jet fuel demand was down 9.2 percent.

FOXNews.com's Jennifer Lawinski, the Associated Press, Wall Street Journal and Reuters contributed to this report.

This will hurt Obama's campaign contributions.

He might actually have to work for the job, rather than have it handed to him.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10132008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/an_obama_panic__133374.htm

Capital Gains affect everyone. If Uschi ever decides to sell her house Obama will take more of what she makes regardless of her income. That is just one of many ways his plans will cripple the economy.

quality of life, quality of education, quality of government. you get what you pay for. there's a reason why America is falling behind in education, employment, and crime.
Canada and Europe are surpassing us quickly with socialized ideas. so we can cling to the free market idealogy and let the gap between rich and poor increase and be happy that we got a few hundred extra bucks to buy some useless crap or we can have a better country and compete in the world.

So your solution is to elect a President that is weak on crime, wants to tax business out of hiring new employees, and that siphons education funds into crooked voter registration groups?

no, and that's why i'm voting for Obama.

Youre voting for Obama because you want a candidate that is weak on crime, wants to tax business out of hiring new employees, and that siphons education funds into crooked voter registration groups?

he's not "weak on crime." certainly not weaker than mccain who helped crimes happen with the keating five (or technically the other 4).
he wants to tax businesses that make a good sized profit. not tax them into oblivion, just a fair share. people below a certain level will either be unaffected or helped out and people making a lot of money will be taxed fairly on their income. that's part of being a member of society. and when that fair share is used to help others then the country as a whole benefits. i really hope you're not referencing joe the unlicensed tax evading "plumber" who is nowhere near able to buy his business.
crooked voter registration groups? if i said that about the republicans you would call me paranoid.

So you think if a company is taxed an extra $50k, the owner will say to his wife, "Honey we have to make due with a little less this year." Or do you think they will slow raises, reduce 401k contributions, slow hiring, ect to make sure that they still live the same lifestyle theyve been living?

now be honest Ray, not partisan.

It's predictable and sad that the only tactics you guys on the right have is terrorism. Always trying to terrorize Americans into capitulating to your demands to rule America as you all think is your god given right.



Narrow field. Is one way of saying it. Playing to an extremist right wing base to the detriment of everyone else is the best way to phrase it.Which is the same thing Powell said. It's amazing eh? Just how many moderate Republicans are endorsing in your words "a terrorist". Especially Colin Powell. Tell me exactly how Al qaeda recruited him, ok? Was William Ayers or ACORN involved?

We all know why Powell endorsed him.

osama Bin laden and William Ayers muSt have their giant Republican brainwaSHING MACHINE GOING ON AT FULL POWER NOW, EH?