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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,458725,00.html
The world's most famous comic book hero has breathed his last Bat breath.
Bruce Wayne — who by night is Batman — gets murdered by a man claiming to be the father he thought was dead.
In a highly controversial new comic book storyline, Bruce, who first appeared in 1939, is killed by Simon Hurt — the leader of the shady Black Glove organization.
Simon claims he is really Dr Thomas Wayne, saying he faked his own passing when Bruce was a child.
The superhero dies when he tries to stop his foe escaping by helicopter in the new comic Batman R.I.P.
"This is so much better than death. People have killed characters in the past but to me, that kind of ends the story!" said writer Grant Morrison.
"I like to keep the story twisting and turning," he added. "So what I am doing is a fate worse than death. Things that no one would expect to happen to these guys at all.
"This is the end of Bruce Wayne as Batman."
Batman will live on though, with another character filling his Batsuit.
Two likely contenders are Dick Grayson — the original Robin — or current Boy Wonder Tim Drake.
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I wonder if Mxy is happy with what Grant Morisson has written. They are lovers, after all.
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Dr. Hurt wasn't Thomas Wayne! He only claimed he was. Is this news outlet this accurate in all their reportings?
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Its fox news repeating a sun article. I bet they got the whole thing wrong.
I'm reading the whole story line right now.
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Ah.
I can understand why Morrison did this, because of the symmetry. Bruce Wayne becomes Batman to avenge his parents' death, but then is killed by his father.
Thomas Wayne has never had much characterisation over the years. I remember there was an old storyline from the 80s in which Thomas Wayne coincidentally dressed up in a "bat" costume at a costume party and ended up fighting off some criminals. Batman mused over this remarkable coincidence. It was a fairly crap story.
Then we had the storyline where Bane might have been Thomas Wayne's illegitimate son in Cuba.
Finally, we had JLA: Earth 2, in which Thomas Wayne as the Police Commissioner of Gotham City on a parallel universe, is shown as an emotionally tortured hard man. This is probably the most characterisation the father of Batman ever had in comics, and it was deliberately perverted because of the storyline that things always go bad on the parallel universe.
(The best characterisation was in the movie Batman Begins. Thomas Wayne is shown as a very caring father who adores his son, who as his last act tries hopelessly to comfort the young Bruce. That death scene was really well-acted, and gave you a sense of why Bruce became lost and wild.)
I suppose with such little in-continuity background Morrison could be said to have a clean slate with Thomas Wayne.
But for Morrison to now out of left field suggest that not only is Thomas Wayne alive (some shock treatment to undermine the Batman myth) but also that he is in fact a shady criminal is to stretch suspension of belief.
Setting up Dick Grayson as Batman needs some effort. Nightwing always struck me as a bit more happy-go-lucky than Batman. The murder of his parents didn't strike me as being as brutal, partly because Bruce Wayne was there straightaway to act as Grayson's ward. I had always thought it would take some sort of grim catalyst - the murder of a pregnant Starfire or some other character with whom Grayson was romantically linked - to give Grayson sufficient gravitas to take on the role. He is nonetheless the logical successor.
It would be nice also to see Azrael pop up again, called out of his retirement by a sense that he should resume the old mantle.
The only other person who I would like to see take on the role is the Huntress, who, despite being sufficiently grim and having a decent (new) backstory, has the disadvantage of being the wrong gender.
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I've been waiting for DC to make some else Batman, nightwing would be the best choice, but it won't happen now. Batman is the most popular comic book character right now. DC will not pull a Marvel and mess with him this much. Its all just hype to sell more comics and get more press.
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A combination of the ending to Dark Knight Returns together (which realy was the best way for Batman to end his career - defeating a sold-out Superman and faking his own death) together with giving Grayson some brutal motivation might do it.
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Don't buy into the imperialist propaganda, Dave. Dr. Hurt wasn't Thomas Wayne, as I said in my previous post. The guy looked like Thomas Wayne (he even used the old bat costume you mentioned), it was heavily (too heavily) hinted that it was Thomas Wayne, but in the last issue when he says "I'm Thomas Wayne", Bats replies "nope". Hurt's reaction is basically "yeah, ok, I'm not".
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that's exactly what I would expect Thomas Wayne to say!
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Comics boss: 'Batman is not dead'
Batman and alter ego Bruce Wayne are not dead, according to DC Comics executive editor Dan DiDio.
The caped crusader apparently falls to his death in a helicopter explosion at the conclusion of Grant Morrison's Batman R.I.P., moments after adversary the Black Glove reveals that he is actually Batman's father, Dr Thomas Wayne.
However, Batman boss DiDio confirmed that Bruce Wayne will wear the cowl again. "He's not dead, though he'll definitely be gone for a while," he said.
"Batman and Bruce Wayne have been here long before me and they'll be around long after me."
DC Comics previously killed off Superman in 1992 only for the Man Of Steel to reemerge a year later, while Captain America died in a Marvel Comics storyline in 2007.
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I can't wait to see the evil robot batman become a villian.
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CYBORG BAT-MAN. That'd be cool as fuck. How come no one's thought of it yet?
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He should have a virus, where the cybernetics and bat ears come out from under his skin!
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lets keep this out of the subject titles
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Thomas Wayne has never had much characterisation over the years.
I don't think characters like Mr. Wayne, Uncle Ben, Jor-El, etc. really need characterization. Their legacy is who they are (Waynetech, "with great power...", and so on). That said, it seems like the logical choice for the next Batman would be Grayson...seeing as though there's another Nightwing in the Superman books.
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damn it. I agree with jeremy.
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He's too lazy to do the reach-around himself
Thomas Wayne has never had much characterisation over the years.
I don't think characters like Mr. Wayne, Uncle Ben, Jor-El, etc. really need characterization. Their legacy is who they are (Waynetech, "with great power...", and so on). That said, it seems like the logical choice for the next Batman would be Grayson...seeing as though there's another Nightwing in the Superman books. If thomas Wayne wasbetter characterised as a great man it would give a reader more of an unstanding of Bats' sense of enormous loss.
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That's been here and there over the years, including "Batman Begins," and various stories by people like Darwin Cooke, Denny O'Neil and Archie Goodwin.
However, I'm not sure it's really that necessary. The whole point of Batman isn't that he became a superhero because of the death of a "great man," it's that he became a hero because of the death of his parents. Short of a father who was a criminal asshole (you know, sort of what Morrie wants us to believe is the truth about Thomas), to a child, the death of any parent at that age is an enormous loss.
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Yeah, but some parents are utter assholes to their children, especially those among the wealthy who prefer nannies to care for their children so they can live their lavish lifestyles or they just don't want to deal with them until they're older. The fact that Thomas and Martha Wayne doted over and cherished their son only to have their lives stolen from Bruce when he was just a boy makes it that much more tragic.
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CYBORG BAT-MAN. That'd be cool as fuck. How come no one's thought of it yet? Actually, Waid and Perez did a Cyborg Batman bit in Brave and Bold a year or two ago.
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