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the G-man #1043663 2009-02-24 3:09 AM
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This weeks episode was originally going to be shown last week and I'm really hoping that explains some of last weeks episodes bad points. Mainly why Kate didn't have Aaron or that odd scene with Jack grandfather, who as far as I know hasn't been on the show until now.


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 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
Jin could be in the present. He finds the van,gets it running,puts on some old Dharma clothes for something clean to wear, and drives around the Island for who knows how long.


or, maybe the survivors left on the island restarted the dharma initiative in the three years since jack and company left. and, because the original doctor is now gone, and dharma needed an asian guy, jin said he'd help out!


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
BTW, speaking of Desmond, you don't supposed Ben's "loose end" was killing Penny (as he threatened to Whidmore) before heading back to the Island do you? If so, that would explain why Desmond goes back.


the recap episode with the "pop up video" text indicated that ben's "tying up loose ends" was indeed a reference to his promise to mr. whitmore (which is kinduva decent-sized reveal for text! ...which now makes me think thats not what happened!)


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
...you don't supposed Ben's "loose end" was killing Penny (as he threatened to Whidmore) before heading back to the Island do you? If so, that would explain why Desmond goes back.

That would royally suck if true, by the way. The Desmond/Penny thing was the one part of the show I was really hoping had come/would come to a happy ending.


Damn. I'm sort of watching the "pop up" re-run of last week's episode and they just said the "loose end" was Ben's promise to kill Penny. Hope he didn't succeed.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
Rob and I posted at the same time.


rob posted first!


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so in the whole "we have to duplicate the events of the first flight" theory...

locke is a proxy for jack's dad.

is sayid being in cuffs to reproduce kate's situation in the first trip?

did hurley bring a guitar for charlie?

when jack and kate made fuck, did jack knock up kate so she could "proxy in" a baby to replace aaron? (and duplicate claire?)

ben late to the plane just like hurley was?





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Jack fucked his sister?


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 Originally Posted By: rex
Jack fucked his sister?


That would make him the greatest TV character EVAH!
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 Originally Posted By: rex
Jack fucked his sister?


well, he was daddying his nephew!


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Speaking of fucked, if John really remembers what happened, Ben probably is.

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now, in lost switcheroo fashion, is it still possible that ben was doing the right thing? like, maybe the island has heaven-like laws, with which you can't enter via suicide?

or, was this finally the definitive "you are the bad guy!" moment?


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 Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
now, in lost switcheroo fashion, is it still possible that ben was doing the right thing? like, maybe the island has heaven-like laws, with which you can't enter via suicide?


That's quite possible, actually. Look at Michael. The island wouldn't let him kill himself.


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or, was this finally the definitive "you are the bad guy!" moment?


I dunno. Mrs G and I were discussing the episode and I (in true comic book nerd fashion) drew the analogy (which made her roll her eyes) that, for all we know, the Widdemore-Ben conflict is basically what would happen if, say, Dr Doom and Lex Luthor were at war. At some points, you might want Doom on your side, at other points Lex. But, in the end, they're BOTH evil.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
 Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
now, in lost switcheroo fashion, is it still possible that ben was doing the right thing? like, maybe the island has heaven-like laws, with which you can't enter via suicide?


That's quite possible, actually. Look at Michael. The island wouldn't let him kill himself.


the replay episode just reminded me that jack couldn't commit suicide, also.

and alexis noticed this -- in the scenes where john is about to hang himself, there are two odd zooms on his foot in the cast. both shots make it look like he only has four toes, just like the still-unexplained statue on the island.


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Locke lost his toe when he kicked Jack in the vagina.


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jack sure does cry a lot now


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 Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
jack sure does cry a lot now


He's like the Superman of Lost.

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Tonights episode was much better than the last two.





Stupid question. Isn't Horace Bens dad?


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Nevermind. Ben isn't young enough to be that kid. He's at least ten years older.


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Question: do Sawyer, Juliet, et al, realize that Ben killed everyone in the Dharma initiative at right about the time they are living in?

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 Originally Posted By: rex
Tonights episode was much better than the last two.





Stupid question. Isn't Horace Bens dad?


Ben's dad was Roger the work man. Who died in the beer van.

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he's strong to the finish, cuz he eats his spinach.

he's roger the work man.


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 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
 Originally Posted By: rex
Tonights episode was much better than the last two.





Stupid question. Isn't Horace Bens dad?


Ben's dad was Roger the work man. Who died in the beer van.


That's right. I just never paid that much attention to who was who when it came to people in the past, which is now the present.


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I get Horace and Roger mixed up too. Who played Roger? I can't remember what he looked like.

So, where did we see Horace before this season? Was it the same ep. with Ben and his dad?


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I think he was in the season 3 finale. I was going to rewatch that episode later.


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the big news of this episode is that after five years of not understanding him, Jim finally speaks english.


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
Question: do Sawyer, Juliet, et al, realize that Ben killed everyone in the Dharma initiative at right about the time they are living in?


Oops. I was thinking a teenaged Ben killed everyone but now remember that he was in fact fully grown when he gassed everyone. My mistake.

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 Originally Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk
So, where did we see Horace before this season? Was it the same ep. with Ben and his dad?


yeah, horace is who ben's father flagged down to save ben's mom

he's also the guy that told locke he had been dead for years


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here's a better recap, but with capital letters:

http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Horace_Goodspeed


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While watching the episode I was sure Horace was Ben's dad, cause as I said before I get him mixed up with Roger. So, while watching, a lot of times I thought "wow, he really does sound like Ben sometimes". What if Ben's mom cheated on Roger with Horace? Or was Ben born outside the island? I can't remember.


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its very possible. he also looks very much like ben, with the creepy bug eyes (and of course the glasses / smaller frame).


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Right, crazy theory I read in another MB:

The big statue was ANUBIS.

Paul's necklace was an ANKH.

So, all that points towards Egypt.

Rupert Alpert = RA? (he's got the eyeliner and all)

Horace = HORUS?

The smoke monster apparently has some precedent in Greek and Egyptian mythology too, as the god Typhon or SET. (I'd cut and paste what the guy said but it's in Spanish.)


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I still think the island is a remnant of Atlantis. In most mythos/pseudo-history circles Atlantis is the civilization that spread culture to the Egyptians, southeast asians, mayans, norse, greeks, etc....so if my theory is correct you will see more than just Egyptian type coincedences/hints...IMO.

You should start seeing mayan religiosity such as the island needing a sacrifice in Locke...blah, blah, blah.

I don't think the story revolves around reincarnation, but it may.

I'm also wondering why the exit portal point from the cave is in Tunisia...unless it is some Atlantis/Egyptian link.

I'm still going with Atlantis....


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 Originally Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk

Horace = HORUS?




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I still think it looks more like Anubis. Horus doesn't have dog ears.

...though (I don't really know and am too lazy to wiki it) Horus probably has something to do with time, so he'd be more appropriate for a giant statue in the island.


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no new episode tonight (lame! ...doesn't that break the truce between ABC and us, where the shortened seasons are in exchange for no breaks?)


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They usually skip a week for whatever reasons. Is there something else on tonight I don't know about? They're showing a repeat in the normal time slot.


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Emo harry potter is going to kill everyone next week.


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