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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/obama-bush.html

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And Barack Obama's poll numbers have slid almost 10% already. According to the latest Gallup Poll, the new president's approval rating of 68% in January has slipped now to 63%, about average for recent new presidents one month in.

What isn't average, however, is Obama's new disapproval rating -- 24%, or 50% higher than the 16% average for a month-old new presidency.

And it's twice the 12% disapproval rate that Obama had last month.

While liberal and independent support has held fairly steady, the rookie chief executive's approval among Republicans has plunged from 41% to 30%, presumably tied at least somewhat to growing awareness of the spending program. The drop has been especially steep among conservatives .President Barack Obama's approval has dropped in his first month, from 36% at inauguration to 22% now.

Additionally, Obama's support has weakened among middle-class Americans, those touted during the campaign as benefiting from his promised tax cuts. Among that working crowd, Obama's approval fell from 69% to 58%.

Tonight's speech before a joint session of Congress and a nationwide television audience will give the new 47-year-old president an opportunity to make his case, not just for his already-signed but still controversial economic stimulus package but for his own evolving style of executive leadership.

And to possibly put the crumpled Cabinet nominations of recent weeks behind him.

After 30 days, the Gallup Poll shows Obama has about the same approval rating as did George H.W. Bush and his son, George W. Bush, the man whose eight years in office the Illinois senator so often denounced as destructive during the recent campaign.

What's surprising, as the astute Don Surber points out this morning, is that the gap between approval and disapproval is worse now for Obama than it was for the newly departed Texan after his first month. Bush's differential gap was 41 points between approval and disapproval.

The new Gallup survey involved 1,614 adult Americans between Feb. 19-21 with a margin of error of +/-3%.

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cant say i didn't see this coming.

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Just wait until we hit 20 percent unemployment.


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Interesting note, while busy dicking around on the internet today at work, one of my pharmacists was looking at guns. Apparently this is his first time seriously considering buying one and he actually said (as hyperbole, I am certain) if he DID buy one, he'd be "over Obama's desk." Which is a remark regarding an incident at the pharmacy when someone stole my pen and I went over the counter at them. *ahem* nothing happened, it was all in fun, I assure you. but people no longer gank my nice pens.


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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
cant say i didn't see this coming.
what the fuck were people thinking?

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they werent.

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They were feeling. They were blinded by the hype. They voted with their emotions and now the rest of the country is paying the price.


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plus the fact the press covered all his shortcomings and character assassinated Palin didn't help.

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Thread: Oabama's Approval Rating Crashes Violently

the login link is in the upper right corner whomod.

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He'll be here once americablog.com updates.


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i would have mentioned his plagiarizing a year ago if i knew it would have shut him up so quick.

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I always knew he was repeating bullshit he heard somewhere else, I just didn't know it he was literally copying and pasting the bullshit.


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 Originally Posted By: rex
They were feeling. They were blinded by the hype. They voted with their emotions and now the rest of the country is paying the price.


I feel queasy inside for it, but I completely agree with reax's statement here.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Obama's approval rockets upwards

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Obama approval ratings rise 17 percent after speechRAW STORY
Published: Wednesday February 25, 2009

A flash CBS News poll conducted Tuesday evening found broad increases of support in almost all areas surrounding President Barack Obama's approval of the economy.

In fact, Obama's approval rating for handling the economic crisis leapt 17 percent after the speech among those who watched it, from 63 to 80 percent.

51 percent of viewers felt that Obama's economic plans would help them personally, with 36 percent before the speech -- and increase of 15 percent.

"Seventy-five percent of speech watchers now say they were able to get a good understanding of President Obama’s economic plans, compared to 58 percent before the speech," CBS wrote. "Seventy-four percent of speech watchers think President Obama’s plans will make the economy better. Eleven percent think they will make them worse, while 15 percent think they will make no difference."

Among those who watched the speech, 80 percent said they were optimistic about the next four years as opposed to 71 percent beforehand. Both figures were a far cry from the ratings of erstwhile President George W. Bush.

"Seventy-six percent of speech watchers think Barack Obama’s economic plans will help the housing crisis," CBS said. "Twenty-four percent think they will not."

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No, Sammitch, MEM clearly showed us. He's never, ever, started a new thread to distract us from an inconvenient fact. And he's definitely never posted a link from a discredited site like Raw Story or Media Matters to prove his point.

I think we should close the forum down. There's really no way to recover from his win this time.

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Interesting. Douglas Schoen, formerly a pollster for President Clinton, and Scott Rasmussen, of Rasmussen Reports, an independent national polling company, have analyzed the data and they think Obama's approval really is crashing violently:
  • It is simply wrong for commentators to continue to focus on President Barack Obama's high levels of popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of public confidence in the work of his administration. Indeed, a detailed look at recent survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.

    Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.


    Overall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.

    A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives.

    And although a narrow majority remains confident in Mr. Obama's goals and overall direction, 45% say they do not have confidence, a number that has been growing since the inauguration less than two months ago. With three-quarters saying that they expect the economy to get worse, it is hard to see these numbers improving substantially.

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Juan Williams is on O'Reilly right now and says that Obama's approval among independents is, in fact, crashing violently and that Obama is running out of easy tricks to keep his popularity up.

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In the daily tracking polls by Rasmussen, you can see Obama's downward spiral since the post-election/pre-inauguration period:

table of daily poll numbers


summary analysis of what the numbers mean

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Obama — Just Average: Polls show Obama's popularity during his first 100 days is right in the middle of other new presidents' scores.

In other words, as we pointed out before, all these Obama approval ratings are meaningless. He's basically enjoying the "honeymoon" period that most, if not all, new presidents get. Wonder why the center-left press keeps touting them?

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
Obama — Just Average: Polls show Obama's popularity during his first 100 days is right in the middle of other new presidents' scores.

In other words, as we pointed out before, all these Obama approval ratings are meaningless. He's basically enjoying the "honeymoon" period that most, if not all, new presidents get. Wonder why the center-left press keeps touting them?


So despite the hard-sell by the Obama-hyping media... Obama still barely squeaks by.

It scares the piss out of me what he can do to this country in the next 3 years and 9 months. And what he has already done, that we have not begun to feel the seismic after-effects of.

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I can emphasize with you WB. About 8 years ago I was afraid things were going to tank badly with the newly elected President. It sucked being right. Maybe we'll luck out and you'll be wrong.


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Its good to see that even that the obamanauts are admitting that we'd be lucky if if their lord and savior does something right.


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 Originally Posted By: rex
Its good to see that even that the obamanauts are admitting that we'd be lucky if if their lord and savior does something right.


Rex you exagerate. I voted for the guy but it's not like I'm here everyday singing his praise and think he's just the bestest.


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 Originally Posted By: King Snarf
Don't blame me, I voted for Nader!


Your going to hell for that ya know.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
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Don't blame me, I voted for Nader!


Your going to hell for that ya know.


What?!?


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Don't blame me, I voted for Nader!


Your going to hell for that ya know.


What?!?


I was just kidding...maybe. ;\)


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I can emphasize with you WB. About 8 years ago I was afraid things were going to tank badly with the newly elected President. It sucked being right. Maybe we'll luck out and you'll be wrong.


The difference is Bush was scrutinized endlessly by the media.

And conversely, even when Obama makes the hypocritical and disastrous mistakes, there is absolutely no accountability or objective reporting of it by his brother Soviet comrades in the liberal media, who continue to behave as a Public Relations extension of the Obama white house.

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I can emphasize with you WB. About 8 years ago I was afraid things were going to tank badly with the newly elected President. It sucked being right. Maybe we'll luck out and you'll be wrong.


The difference is Bush was scrutinized endlessly by the media.

And conversely, even when Obama makes the hypocritical and disastrous mistakes, there is absolutely no accountability or objective reporting of it by his brother Soviet comrades in the liberal media, who continue to behave as a Public Relations extension of the Obama white house.


Well we'll have to agree to dissagree about the media to a degree. I think you tend to generallize to much and I know you geniunly feel that way but Obama does get scrutinized by the press. While some go softer than they did on Bush others have gone harder. It may not balance out totally but does it really rate the soviet comrade talk?


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
[Well we'll have to agree to dissagree about the media to a degree. I think you tend to generallize to much and I know you geniunly feel that way but Obama does get scrutinized by the press. While some go softer than they did on Bush others have gone harder. It may not balance out totally but does it really rate the soviet comrade talk?


You mean the way a New York Times reporter asked Obama what "enchanted" him most in his first 100 days as president?

A hardball question, that.

In 13 questions (pre-selected, with an ordered list for Obama to call on, by his handlers) that press conference was a joke. Long-winded filibuster answers by Obama, and not allowed any follow up. I watched the CNN coverage, and all the post-conference pundits evaluating Obama's answers were all Wow, great, a-plus performance!..."

I flipped over to FOX news an hour later, and while they still had a liberal counter-point, they also pointed out that Obama's people pre-selected who Obama would call on, that no follow-up was allowed of Obama, and that amidst all the softball questions, in an entire hour not one question was laid on Obama about the sinking economy, the auto bailouts, high unemployment, or any of Obama's hypocritical actions in recent months that are polar opposite of his campaign promises.

The closest was some guy from Black Entertainment Channel, who asked Obama about the perspective of black Americans in particular in our current economic recession.


Please, oh please, tell me where the liberal media has done anything other than run P.R. and cover for Obama.

As Obama has accumulated more debt in 3 months than Bush accumulated in 8 years, as he has labelled our veterans as potential terrorists to be watched closely, as he has promised "a higher standard" for his cabinet appointments, and instead appointed tax evaders.
And how in the few positions Obama has taken a sensible stance, he has adopted the actions and rhetoric of George W. Bush, the same actions and rhetoric he was so critical of during the campaign.

The same media that hyped every negative statement about Bush, and every last potential scandalous allegation against Bush, and about McCain during the campaign, has suddenly grown silent about the many proven hypocritical and nation-endangering actions of Obama and his administration.

"Wow, great, A-plus !"

Damn, that's some hard journalism.


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[Well we'll have to agree to dissagree about the media to a degree. I think you tend to generallize to much and I know you geniunly feel that way but Obama does get scrutinized by the press. While some go softer than they did on Bush others have gone harder. It may not balance out totally but does it really rate the soviet comrade talk?


You mean the way a New York Times reporter asked Obama what "enchanted" him most in his first 100 days as president?

A hardball question, that.


Yeah that one was very softball I even rolled my eyes

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In 13 questions (pre-selected, with an ordered list for Obama to call on, by his handlers) that press conference was a joke. Long-wided filibuster answers by Obama, and not allowed any follow up. I watched the CNN coverage, and all the pundits were all Wow, great, a-plus performance!..."

I flipped over to FOX news an hour later, and while they still had a liberal counter-point, they also pointed out that Obama's people pre-selected who Obama would call on, that no follow-up was allowed, and that amidst all the softball questions, in an entire hour not one question was laid on him about the sinking economy, the auto bailouts, high unemployment, or any of Obama's hypocritical actions that are polar opposite of his campaign promises.

The closest was some guy from Black Entertainment Channel, who asked Obama about the perspective of black Americans in particular in our current economic recession.


Please, oh please, tell me where the liberal media has done anything other than run P.R. and cover for Obama.

As Obama has accumulated more debt in 3 months than Bush accumulated in 8 years, as he has labelled our veterans as potential terrorists to be watched closely, as he has promised "a higher standard" for his cabinet appointments, and instead appointed tax evaders.
And how in the few positions Obama has taken a sensible stance, he has adopted the actions and rhetoric of George W. Bush, the same actions and rhetoric he was so critical of during the campaign.

The same media that hyped every negative statement about Bush, and every last potential scandalous allegation against Bush, and about McCain during the campaign, has suddenly grown silent about the many proven hypocritical and nation-endangering actions of Obama and his administration.

"Wow, great, A-plus !"

Damn, that's some hard journalism.



The stories have been reported though WB. The problems with his cabinet picks, lobbyists, tax evaders and all that. Granted stuff like the Homeland Security memo doesn't have the spin you think it should but it was reported as well as the negative reaction to it. I do agree with much you have to say about the press conference. He certainly hasn't raised the bar on taking questions. That might cost him if he keeps it up.


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The stories have been reported though WB


Yeah, as relatively minor stories, while the center-left press keeps trying to write front page stories about how Bush employees may have written memos that allowed waterboarding.

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The stories have been reported though WB


Yeah, as relatively minor stories, while the center-left press keeps trying to write front page stories about how Bush employees may have written memos that allowed waterboarding.


Most if not all the stories WB mention were all front page news on the papers and news sites I read so it doesn't appear minor to me.


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