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I agree.

Enough with the decades of teasing lets see the Federation vs Klingon war.

BRING ON THE CLONES!

They had a Klingon war during DS9. I think it lasted a year or so.

I'm down with something like this. They were already in a "Cold War" with the Klingons back in Kirk's day. With the new continuity, anything could happen.

Rumors from Abrams himself have hinted that they are considering taking a stab at Kirk and Khan's first battle. I bet Sayid from LOST would make a good Khan, though...

For half a second I thought you were talking about Sayid from Happy Days.

Dude, no! He went into porn...

Fuck no. That story's been told once already and quite well. That smacks too much of "remake" at this point.

Personally, I've never been able to figure out why the producers of Trek over the past twenty or so years haven't used the Gorn race as a "big bad."

With the exception of a mirror universe cameo on 'Enterprise,' the only time they were ever shown was on a single episode of TOS so you don't have the overuse factor of Romulans, Klingons, Ferengi, etc. What you do have, however, is a race of near invunerable, seven foot tall, predatory, talking lizard people. Those guys could, if written well, eat the Klingons for lunch.

Furthermore, with forty years of advancment in SFX there's no reason you couldn't make them highly realistic looking (and better than the Enterprise version).

Kahn's been done. It's like all the Superman movies that had to keep giving us Luthor over and over. Time to move on.

If you believe the stories, Harlan Ellison pitched a story that could've used them quite nicely back when they were making the first Trek flick.

Is that the time travel one that they pretty much ripped off for the last episodes of TNG?

Pretty much. Only with big anthropomorphic lizards.

Would have been much better than the "Hey, look! There's a satellite in space" movie they made.

I never heard that story. Is Ellison's lawsuit still pending or did the TNG producers settle?

Yeah. The first Trek flick is three hours of boredom and bald chick. Fuck Trek.

Which itself was basically just a big budget remake of the "Nomad" episode of TOS.

I know that he's suing again for 'City on the Edge of Forever'.

I dunno if Ellison sued TNG - probably did. My initial point was that, back when they were trying to put together a story for the first Trek flick, Ellison pitched a story that could've used the Gorn as the antagonists. The details of it are recounted in Stephen King's Danse Macabre. But, assuming you're too lazy or apathetic to track that gem of a book down, here's a link with the basic story:

http://www.mania.com/remaking-star-trek-part-5-into-black-hole_article_27017.html

PS: Fuck Trek.

Presactly. Ellison is possibly the most litigious author in Hollywood. If TNG ripped him off I would expect that he's either sued or is going to.

From the link:

• 'It involved going to the end of the known universe to slip back through time to the Pleistocene period when man first emerged,' he said. 'I postulated an alien intelligence from a far galaxy where the snakes had become the dominant life form, and a snake-creature who had come to Earth in the STAR TREK future, had seen its ancestors wiped out, and who had gone back into the far past of Earth to set up distortions in the time-flow so the reptiles could beat the humans. The Enterprise goes back to set time right, finds the snake-alien, and the human crew is confronted with the moral dilemma of whether it had the right to wipe out an entire life form just to insure its own territorial imperative in our present and future. The story, in short, spanned all of time and all of space, with a moral and ethical problem.'

A member of an alien race sees his people wiped out and starts to change the past to prevent that....isn't that a very basic description of the current movie?

If so, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Ellison's suing this movie too.

Ellison's only sued when he's had some slight form of proof at least. He's at least had his name on a story or script to use as evidence in his previous cases. An idea at a pitch meeting isn't very stable grounds for a lawsuit.

I'm not saying the case is strong. However, I could see Ellison arguing that he "published" his idea by allowing a synopsis of it to be included in King's book where it could be seen by, among others, Abrams and the writers of the current film.

As mentioned before, he's a pretty litigious guy.

Toublecain.

As I mentioned before:




Ellis had no script or published story to use other than a hearsay account. He's a litigious guy, but he's a smart litigious guy.

Yeah, but the hearsay account is arguably a "published story." From what I read at Joe's link, years ago, Ellison described a story he wanted to write for a Trek film in King's book. Therefore, even if the meeting in the 1970s never occurred, Ellison arguably has a published synopsis of his proposed story in Danse Macabre which he could claim served as the basis of the Abrams plot.

Just saw it. Good, popcorn action sci-fi movie. Worth a watch, but I don't see myself watching it again unless it just happened to be on TV. Urban was McCoy, though.

Totally. What did you think of Pine's Shatnerisms?

I think he copied Shatner's actual ego very well. Pegg was also great as Scotty. Quinto (?) was a decent Spock. Bana still sucks balls. Everyone else was good. I actually think the Star Trek and going back to the original crew made the movie campier than it should have been. I also loved that there was some Beastie Boys instead of the usual pretentious Trekisms.

Also, did you notice the Kal Penn cameo?

What? No! Where was he?!



Totally! Especially the Kobiyashi Maru test. Ha!



Yeah, when he said that line "I don't want to take sides..." during the Spock/Kirk argument...and that smile...he was literally James Doohan at that moment. It was awesome.



The only two things that Quinto is missing to be the perfect Spock is the "genetic dignity" that Leonard Nimoy naturally exudes, and his smoking-voice. Quinto doesn't sound "black enough" to really be Spock.



Yes.



You lost me. What parts were "campy", besides the overt humor?



Yes! I never thought I would be able to say the phrase, "Man, I loved that Beastie Boys song in the new Star Trek movie!" It was a nice, needed change of pace for the franchise.

Hopefully, it's only uphill from here...

He was a blue shirt when, I believe, Nero contacted the Enterprise and the scene went from shot to shot of crew reactions.



The whole weakness to the movie, for me, was them assembling much younger versions of the original crew, putting them all in their final roles on the show, and giving them all something to do. In a movie full of plot holes, those were the most obvious. The only ones that really worked were Spock and McCoy. Everyone else, especially Kirk, was a real stretch. And this movie did exactly what I didn't want it to do. They pushed Kirk directly into the captain's chair just because he was captain in the original show. Had this been just a continuation of Trek without going back to the originals, I think it would have been a lot better because it wouldn't have had to do all the weak plot devices to copy the original 'formula'. But Paramount and Abrams wanted to give us Dawson's Trek instead.

Hmmm....I can't necessarily disagree on the evolved push in their timelines. However, it should be noted that (and I only picked this up from listening to hardcore Trekkies debate the finer minutia of the movie) Kirk was actually older when he entered Starfleet here than in the original timeline. The counter, though, was that he skipped past some of the middle, and hit Captain. But, he only makes Captain in this movie just three years before he did originally. He was always the youngest Captain in Starfleet history, so I guess that...coupled with my own enjoyment of nostalgia...allowed me to just accept it and move on to the sequel.

Overall, while I agree with some of your complaints about it, I never once felt it was "Dawson's Trek". That would insinuate there's tweeny melodrama between everyone. I found it to be a surprisingly mature movie, in terms of emotional dealings. It wasn't about relationships and jobs and mundane, pedantic crap like that. It was life and death, family, and about young adults thrown into a grow-up-or-die situation.

But, that's just what I took from it. Hopefully, the sequel will steer clear of a lot of these issues you found...

I still haven't seen it, so I can't say who's right above. However, I have to admit I think they could have easily just done a "reboot" with actors in their thirties and skipped the whole "rip in the fabric of time/younger Kirk" set up.

I realize that some of the Trekkies would have whined, but if they can reboot, for example, Batman and Bond without having to "explain" why there's a different cast I think the same could have been accomplished with Trek.

I'd have been okay with a reboot as well, though I'd prefer a continuation of their continuity. It's the forcing of everybody into the roles because they're all twenty-somethings that was terribly overpowering. I could overlook the other plot holes in the movie, but those were just badly done.

It also surprises me that Enterprise, a TV show thats been off the air for several years, did a better job with the Orion women than a huge, current, blockbuster movie did. Seriously, that chick looked like the Jolly Green Giant raped Strawberry Shortcake.

Nerdtalk it all you want. Cadet straight to Captain, the second highest rank in the service, is just gay.

I was going to try and see it this weekend but Mrs G is working diligently to thwart that, making a new plan for another part of the weekend every time I turn around.

In any event, I have a feeling that the next one will be better either way, since (like BB and TDK) we won't have to jerk around with retelling the origin yet again and can just get to a kickass story

I also want to point out that it was fun to see the franchise that has kept spouting the BS about man having evolved past his greed and created some sort of socialist utopia for the past 4 decades was full of product placements.

diora baird? maybe it was just the makeup, then, because she's pretty attractive otherwise.

Rachel Nichols was the Orion woman. And, she was hot, so I don't know what the problem is...