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So you're gonna stop posting now?

If it's going down to the level of calling just each other idiots, probably yes.

I keep asking you to actually respond in regards to this topic, but all you keep doing is making denials.

Maybe if you were more substantive, you be wouldn't be insulted.

he doesnt have an opinion, he only has his textbooks at school.

What opinion? I just accept the most likely theory as the truth. I suggest you read those textbooks if you think otherwise.

You can't even identify the aspects of the theory that make it "most likely."

Well, you see. Juche is smarter than us. He rightly pointed out that people were never cordial with Hitler: http://www.rkmbs.com/...429#Post1061429

I can, but there's nothing to argue. We both know what points we're going to bring up, it's been done before, it's a waste of time.

And Iggy, keep that debate in the right topic.

What do you think about abortions? The death penalty? Freedom of speech? The retardation of America?

I'm all for it.

-Juche

If we're going offtopic...

I'm pro abortion
Against the death penalty
Pro freedom of speech
And I don't get what you mean by the last.

Translation: Juche is talking out of his ass.

Okay, how do you think the modern human came here then? Created on the sixth day by God or placed on earth by aliens?

WHY ARE YOU GOING OFF TOPIC? THIS IS A SERIOUS DISCUSSION!

JUCHE YOUR DISRESPECT FOR THE FORUM TOPIC IS TEARING THESE BOARDS APART!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Dawkins paid tribute to the latter theory in Ben Stein's Expelled as a means of considering an ID theory that would be acceptable according to his anti-God standards. He's one of the guys who wrote the textbooks you've pledged your loyalty to.

But I think the real question here for people like yourself is: Why the fuck do you care?

Just because your belief in evolution may be compromised, that doesn't mean anyone is forcing you to believe in God or in the idea that He created us. Just concede that you have no idea and that there's no way for you to know for sure and move on.

Just because no other rational explanation exists, that doesn't make it prudent to grab onto one that's astronomically remote if not ridiculous.

also Juche, stop touching yourself.

Like I said, of course I don't know for 100% sure, there is just no evidence to believe otherwise. I don't get what Richard Dawkins did to pay tribute to Ben Stein, please give a source I must have missed something.

the story of your life.

You're really the one to say such a thing eh.

pee wee herman?

What?

My point here is that you don't even know for 1% sure. So there's no real warrant to pay attention to the theory.

Saying "there's no evidence to believe otherwise" doesn't actually attribute credence to it. If my wallet went missing and someone told me a leprechaun walked off with it, I should be compelled to believe what he or she said simply because there's no evidence leprechaun's don't exist.

At the end of Expelled, Ben Stein had an interview with Dawkins in which Stein compelled Dawkins to propose an Intelligent Design theory that involved us being put here by a different race. This effectively made the point that the ire leveled at people who believe Intelligent Design has more to do with a dislike for the idea that a God exists than it does for evolution being the most likely explanation.

It's most likely that it wasn't a Leprechaun because it's more likely that Leprechauns don't exist. So that is the truth.

Because you're doomed as a scientist if you're going to explain things by God. But why should God to be the answer if they evolution theory looks so plausible?

But it can't be confirmed that Leprechauns don't truly exist. By the same logic applied to evolution, I'm forced to accept that it may have been a Leprechaun that stole my wallet.



No one even has to mention God. Scientists just feel paranoid that-that's what they'll be forced to acknowledge if evolution were designated as the junk-science that it is. It's possible to be an atheist and not believe in evolution.

Feeling compelled to carry on one theory that hasn't even been remotely proven just because you find the predominance of another particular one to be distasteful is not a credible outlook for a scientist to have. All it does is undermine their principles as scientists.

What logic are you applying? If I understand, according to you nothing is 100% sure. Even if I saw a leprechaun stealing my wallet, it's more likely that I'm wrong than that Leprechauns really exist.

What other options are there then? We're placed here by an alien race? Than you'd be just passing the ball on, because you can ask how did these aliens get there.

So eh, what do you believe then?

Evolution's progression as a theory is based largely upon the fact that we're here and we have no idea why. As a result, people have intuited upon a reality something they haven't actually observed.



Why is there this pathological desire to have an "option." In the end, I really don't think why we're here truly matters to the people who believe in evolution. They already believe that we're a product of random mutations that have no real meaning, so I'm not sure why they'd have such a problem thinking otherwise without obsessing over a roughshod theory.



This is off topic, but I'll indulge you: I believe we're a product of Intelligent Design and I'm a monotheist.

What makes your intelligent design belief any different from how you describe the evolution theory? It's exactly the same.

Because nobody is ever going to know why we're here, and getting to know how we got here more important in the end.

Actually. It's not important at all.

And I know that my particular beliefs are ground in faith. I'm just tired of listening to evolutionists try and claim that their belief system is any different.

They operate on faith just as much, if not moreso, than I do.

What makes you so determined to deny the evolution theory even though it looks very plausible? I'm not going to call it 'most likely to be true by a mile' because it'll look like I'm attacking your faith.

The only question I can't explain myself, is, what/who started everything. As in the beginning of the universe.

Because it doesn't look "very plausible." That's been my point.

Haha, please tell me what looks unplausible about the evolution theory. You know you come across as very ignorant now.

are you aware of how many different protein chains are required for even the simplest form of life? two hundred and fifty - and that's the most generous estimate. each of those requires dozens, if not hundreds, of amino acids to link up in a precise order from end to end. and then those two hundred and fifty proteins themselves need to be assembled together in a precise order to form the various organelles which collectively comprise even the simplest cell. are you willing to put numbers on the probability of all those pieces falling into place just right through random interactions in a primordial soup?

evolution happens. any idiot can see living organisms adapting to their environment over time. but it's one thing to say 'all living things adapt to their environment over time' and something else entirely to extend that to the descent of all living species from a common ancestor through unguided mutation and natural selection. the fossil record will never cough up all the interim forms you'd need to find, and the only way to force the meager evidence to support that idea is to work in enough loopholes and wiggle room that we can't even easily define what a species is anymore.

of course no scientist will openly admit that on the record, because their (government) research funding depends on the statements they're willing to make. this debate isn't a conflict between 'science' and 'religion'. it's a conflict of worldviews, and there are plenty of people so desperate to 'disprove' the existence of a Creator that they're willing to throw a lot of money down empirical dead ends in order to silence the opposition.

Yes, I didn't say I can explain how life started. Nobody knows that.

And we still see natural selection happening every day, and that species really do start to differ from each other if they live apart from each other for a time. How can you deny that? It's a very logical explanation about how new species started.

The last things you mention seems like a conspiracy theory though. I don't see why my government should have any interest in wether evolution is true or not.