Pariah, you seem to be under an illusion of debate with me, here. Re-read the thread. You have made no points. You have proven nothing. In fact, every element disproves pretty much anything you have tried to offer in discussion. And yet, you still insist on posting at me as if you and I have some unfinished business. We don't. I made my point, crystal-clear. Again, if you have reading or comprehension issues, take it up with a doctor or Army medic or drug-smuggler with a heart-of-gold. Personally, I don't care. Meanwhile, you are wasting your time trying to prod me off my point. It stands. My conviction is sincere. So, you might as well just withdraw back to your insignificant little corner of the internet you lurk when not boring us with your cries for attention. Thanks man.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Pariah, you seem to be under an illusion of debate with me, here. Re-read the thread. You have made no points. You have proven nothing. In fact, every element disproves pretty much anything you have tried to offer in discussion. And yet, you still insist on posting at me as if you and I have some unfinished business. We don't. I made my point, crystal-clear. Again, if you have reading or comprehension issues, take it up with a doctor or Army medic or drug-smuggler with a heart-of-gold. Personally, I don't care. Meanwhile, you are wasting your time trying to prod me off my point. It stands. My conviction is sincere. So, you might as well just withdraw back to your insignificant little corner of the internet you lurk when not boring us with your cries for attention. Thanks man.
Your "conviction" is non-existent.
You slander all Republicans, when it's just one odd lady, who every Republican condemns. You have no conviction or facts, only blanket smear of all Republicans.
You've presented no facts, only empty
EVERY Republican, on these boards and elsewhere, has condemned what this lady posted, as perhaps not racist, but certainly poorly thought out and stupid.
Only you, and lying cocksuckers like you, try to slanderously assert that a few/some/most Republicans agree with or defend what she did. The facts are she is universally condemned for posting what she did. So you lie, to insinuate otherwise.
But the result is pitiably the same: you slander truth, you support lies, and you enable evil with what you choose to support against all evidence.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
So Pro's a lying cocksucker piece of shit, talking out both sides of his mouth. And is more liberal-extreme than the "right wing extreme" rhetoric he manufactures out of thin air.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. I snapped you like a dry twig. How easy. Get your act together, David. You're starting to remind me of Tommy and his Yellow Liberal Ass-Bug...
If exposing your clear hypocrisy can be interpreted as "snapping" me. I think this is your attempt to save face after being humiliatingly exposed.
You did praise Whomod as the greatest most wonderful bestest EVER poster on RKMB, behind our backs on the Insurgency boards. And to our faces, you say he's a nutjob. Far from objective, you're a complete liberal-indoctrinated partisan zombie for the Left. And you accuse me and others of being "right wing extremist"? Oh kettle, thou art black.
The closest thing you have to an intelligent and logical response is .
I skinned you and hung your hide out to dry, and you didn't even get it.
Each party should take responsibility for its more extreme elements, rather than trying to cover them in a blanket of complicity..
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
They just said she did something indefensible but she's still a nice lady, so give her a break. They defended her overall character, not her actions.
Yeah, they acknowledged her behavior is indefensible, but tried to let her save the slightest bit of face by saying she's not a bad person despite her clear bad judgement on this incident.
Prometheus said: ...Whomod....a poster I barely remember, much less talked with.
Quote:
Prometheus said: Whomod is such a legend on the RKMBs that, due to me taking up his position as defender of the Libs, I've been dubbed "Promod" over there
Here's Pro, condemning Whomod's left-wing craziness here, and praising it elsewhere for being great posts and "a legend" on RKMB.
i.e., he has a double standard. He condemns "right wing craziness" (which isn't even right wing, just one crazy lady who is roundly condemned by the right) while he praises left-wing craziness of the Whomod variety as "the best" on RKMB.
Apparently you didn't or you'd show some proof of your assertions instead hiding behind lengthy responses of why you choose not to respond to me. The irony can be cut with a knife.
Apparently you didn't or you'd show some proof of your assertions instead hiding behind lengthy responses of why you choose not to respond to me. The irony can be cut with a knife.
Except that everyone other than you and Dave, the Tea Partyer inherently understands the common sense and rational logic concerning the subject. Thus, if you can't grasp the basics of why it's inherently racist, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you. You either comprehend it, or you don't...
Except there's nothing "inherent" about it. Comparing someone to a chimp need not refer to race--as the people who've compared Bush to an ape will tell you.
This was mentioned even before I entered the thread. But despite the fact that I'm not the only one who brought it up, you still ignored it.
Yeah, I think most people are generally looking at this from a pretty moderate position. The chimp thing alone, unless you are a full on left-wing loony, doesn't necessarily come off as racist. As plenty of us have said, it is a political meme used by both sides to present their opposition as a doofus or lacking in character/ability. That said, this email doesn't reside in a vacuum. Her defense of other people's emails depicting such things as the White House watermelon patch lends credence to the speculation of racist motive. As such, it isn't so much her intent (which may not have been racist at all) as it is the reception of the email.
Personally, while I do defend the right of people to portray another as a chimp regardless of race when speaking to their lack of character or ability, I don't think that was necessarily the case with this woman. But, I think we can generally all agree that this woman is either stupid, racist, or both.
As for defenders, I'm sure they are out there and are probably right-wing nutters who spread emails about the White House watermelon patch and tell jokes about Obama health initiatives being a way for them to have more fried chicken for themselves. I deal with these people. I know they are out there. But, on the flip side, I don't think it is right to use them as the poster boys of this movement any more or less than using a bunch of left wing nutters as the poster boys for the left.
Reality: there are nutters. Reality: they are few and on both sides. Reality: the media really likes to try and blow smoke up our asses about their prevalence and use them to fearmonger in order to discredit that which they do not agree with.
Pariah, you seem to be under an illusion of debate with me, here. Re-read the thread. You have made no points. You have proven nothing. In fact, every element disproves pretty much anything you have tried to offer in discussion. And yet, you still insist on posting at me as if you and I have some unfinished business. We don't. I made my point, crystal-clear. Again, if you have reading or comprehension issues, take it up with a doctor or Army medic or drug-smuggler with a heart-of-gold. Personally, I don't care. Meanwhile, you are wasting your time trying to prod me off my point. It stands. My conviction is sincere. So, you might as well just withdraw back to your insignificant little corner of the internet you lurk when not boring us with your cries for attention. Thanks man.
Your "conviction" is non-existent.
You slander all Republicans, when it's just one odd lady, who every Republican condemns. You have no conviction or facts, only blanket smear of all Republicans.
You've presented no facts, only empty
EVERY Republican, on these boards and elsewhere, has condemned what this lady posted, as perhaps not racist, but certainly poorly thought out and stupid.
Only you, and lying cocksuckers like you, try to slanderously assert that a few/some/most Republicans agree with or defend what she did. The facts are she is universally condemned for posting what she did. So you lie, to insinuate otherwise.
Wondy, don't take this personally because I think you can an okay guy, but you're sounding like you have a Beck-sized space bug up your arse.
But, I think we can generally all agree that this woman is either stupid, racist, or both.
She's stupcist!
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Apparently you didn't or you'd show some proof of your assertions instead hiding behind lengthy responses of why you choose not to respond to me. The irony can be cut with a knife.
Except that everyone other than you and Dave, the Tea Partyer inherently understands the common sense and rational logic concerning the subject. Thus, if you can't grasp the basics of why it's inherently racist, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you. You either comprehend it, or you don't...
You haven't proven that me or Pariah are different whatsoever from anyone else on these boards regarding this. Even Iggy says that the incident itself doesn't prove the woman is a racist. It's only in the context of other things she's said that he sees it pointing that way.
And by the way, where was all your self righteous liberal outrage when this was said...
Or this...
Originally Posted By: BILL CLINTON (upon learning Hillary had been passed over for the nomination, and it was handed by delegates to Obama, without a decisive majority of primary votes)
"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee!"
Ot this...
Originally Posted By: HARRY REID
Obama was a good choice because he was light-skinned and not overly ethnic or speak black dialect that would be alienating to white voters.
There are many MANY other examples of similar quotes from the Democrat ranks. Comments that cannot simply be interpreted as racist, but clearly and unquestionably are racist.
That you obviously have no problem with. Because you're a lying partisan hypocrite, who's only in it to slander your political opposition. Your mind is made up, so I won't continue to confuse you with facts that oppose that indoctinated viewpoint.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
So to recap the liberal take, if Obama's idiocy is compared to an ape it's racist. If Bush's idiocy is compared to an ape it's not racist. I think this encapsulated the entire liberal stance. They can't compete on the playing field with ideas so they handicap their opponents by making anything about them off limits. Anyone that supports the double standard cannot be taken seriously.
yeah dude, you really need to dial it back like, six or seven notches. no offense, but it's getting pretty strident...
I think WB's point about a double standard, under which liberals get to say horrible racist things about black republicans and the news is either buried or excused (both by the rest of the DNC and the media), is completely valid.
That being said, the validity of that point gets a bit lost in all the "lying partisan cocksucker hypocrate source of the evil in the world" stuff.
Dave, man, come on. You're going to have a stroke if you keep this up. It's Pro. He's a bald dude with liberal leanings who smokes too much pot. It's not David Warner in "Time Bandits" for Chrissakes.
Wondy, don't take this personally because I think you can an okay guy, but you're sounding like you have a Beck-sized space bug up your arse.
No offense taken. I know you see it that way, and maybe you envision me saying this with veins bulging on my forehead, but for the most part, I think I'm just calling this for what it is from Prometheus, with no embellishment necessary.
I'll go through the post you quoted:
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Pariah, you seem to be under an illusion of debate with me, here. Re-read the thread. You have made no points. You have proven nothing. In fact, every element disproves pretty much anything you have tried to offer in discussion. And yet, you still insist on posting at me as if you and I have some unfinished business. We don't. I made my point, crystal-clear. Again, if you have reading or comprehension issues, take it up with a doctor or Army medic or drug-smuggler with a heart-of-gold. Personally, I don't care. Meanwhile, you are wasting your time trying to prod me off my point. It stands. My conviction is sincere. So, you might as well just withdraw back to your insignificant little corner of the internet you lurk when not boring us with your cries for attention. Thanks man.
Your "conviction" is non-existent.
I think I backed that up pretty well. Pro alleges that some/many/most Republicans share the racism of this lady or at least endorse it, or at least don't condemn it.
Which flies in the face of the facts. EVERYONE has condemned what she did, most have called for her firing or resignation. MYSELF INCLUDED! (See my first few posts here.)
Originally Posted By: WB
You slander all Republicans, when it's just one odd lady, who every Republican condemns. You have no conviction or facts, only blanket smear of all Republicans.
Again, I backed this up, no hysteria on my part, just calling it for exactly what it is from Pro's end.
Originally Posted By: WB
You've presented no facts, only empty
Again, no hysteria, every point I made has been backed up. Pro presents no facts, just
Originally Posted By: WB
EVERY Republican, on these boards and elsewhere, has condemned what this lady posted, as perhaps not racist, but certainly poorly thought out and stupid.
Again no hysteria on my part, just stating the facts.
Originally Posted By: WB
Only you, and lying cocksuckers like you, try to slanderously assert that a few/some/most Republicans agree with or defend what she did. The facts are she is universally condemned for posting what she did. So you lie, to insinuate otherwise.
Except for calling Pro a "lying cocksucker", which is a longstanding WonderBoy-ism signature line in heated political discussion, that I use on the most over-the-top liars. Which Pro's partisanship certainly qualifies for, in the viciousness of what he alleges about "right wing extremists" all being racists, despite that they all condemned what this lady said in the harshest of terms, and called for her firing or resignation.
Myself included.
But despite Republicans universally condemning her actions in the harshest of terms, he clings to the "racist" label for all "right wing extremists" (a phrase that is parroted right from Chuck Schumer in its demagoguery of anyone he disagrees with as "extreme", and adding to that "racist".)
I actually think "lying cocksucker" is a restrained response to that blanket slander of conservatives on Pro's part, and on the part of a huge swath of those on the political left doing the same.
yeah dude, you really need to dial it back like, six or seven notches. no offense, but it's getting pretty strident...
I think WB's point about a double standard, under which liberals get to say horrible racist things about black republicans and the news is either buried or excused (both by the rest of the DNC and the media), is completely valid.
That being said, the validity of that point gets a bit lost in all the "lying partisan cocksucker hypocrate source of the evil in the world" stuff.
Dave, man, come on. You're going to have a stroke if you keep this up. It's Pro. He's a bald dude with liberal leanings who smokes too much pot. It's not David Warner in "Time Bandits" for Chrissakes.
Okay, point taken.
It's just ironic, because again, what I say is a relatively mild response, in proportion to him saying just because one Republican said this, that somehow implies some/most/all republicans are "racist extremists", despite that they all condemned her actions and called for her firing and resignation.
And needless to say, this is pretty much a weekly slanderfest on the part of the left, constantly raising the same racist/extremist allegations, against the evidence. In the Rep Giffords shooting, it was blamed on "right wing extremist" rhetoric, despite no evidence that he ever listened to any right wing commentators, and despite that friends, neigbors and school classmates described Jared Loughner as a "liberal pothead".
I could split hairs on what you said on many points (I said earlier that Pro's willingness to swallow and parrot liberal talking points whole and undigested enables evil, not that his opinion is the source of evil, just that he allows it to occur. Edmund Burke said something very similar, if you recall).
I'd tell Pro to shut up and take another bong hit, but I got yelled at for saying that a few months ago too.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Dave, man, come on. You're going to have a stroke if you keep this up. It's Pro. He's a bald dude with liberal leanings who smokes too much pot. It's not David Warner in "Time Bandits" for Chrissakes.
Shhh! You'll burst his bubble and I'm enjoying this faaar too much...
{eats popcorn and watches Dave spend another hour or so compiling quotes to try and support his crazy}
It's a very well known and understood social 'no-no' to compare black people with monkeys. It's not like they used images of fat, lazy cats, sleeping hippos, or Dodo's looking clueless. They used monkeys specifically because he's black. And they did it to his parents. Don't know about Obama, but I'd punch this bitch in the mouth just based on playground rules. No one on the Right should waste their time trying to defend what is, so obviously, a bad apple in the Republican organization.
So to recap the liberal take, if Obama's idiocy is compared to an ape it's racist. If Bush's idiocy is compared to an ape it's not racist. I think this encapsulated the entire liberal stance. They can't compete on the playing field with ideas so they handicap their opponents by making anything about them off limits. Anyone that supports the double standard cannot be taken seriously.
So to recap the liberal take, if Obama's idiocy is compared to an ape it's racist. If Bush's idiocy is compared to an ape it's not racist. I think this encapsulated the entire liberal stance. They can't compete on the playing field with ideas so they handicap their opponents by making anything about them off limits. Anyone that supports the double standard cannot be taken seriously.
So to recap the liberal take, if Obama's idiocy is compared to an ape it's racist. If Bush's idiocy is compared to an ape it's not racist. I think this encapsulated the entire liberal stance. They can't compete on the playing field with ideas so they handicap their opponents by making anything about them off limits. Anyone that supports the double standard cannot be taken seriously.
