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Son of Mxy #1156338 2011-09-03 5:52 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
a different muppet for every incarnation, but miss piggy plays several companions?


Scooter is Ace, appropriate.

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Didn't like this ep much. I could have missed this without any regret (only bit I liked was the children's rhyme at the end mentioning the doctor)

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Very standard episode. Not great. But not bad. Kind of a better "Fear Her". They just need to stop letting Mark Gatiss write scripts. He's a great actor. He was good in Tennant's The Lazarus Project. He needs to just do the acting from now on...

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Makes sense. I didn't like The Lazarus Project either. I think it's the only Tennant episode that I didn't finish - I watched it, fast forwarded a bit, then stopped and just read a synopsis on the net.

It's a shame though, someone else could have used some parts of this episode to make a genuinely creepy/scary story out of it.


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Gatiss played the main bad guy in that one. The episode was okay, but he didn't write it.

He's written: Unquiet Dead, Idiot's Lantern, and Victory of the Daleks. Unquiet Dead with Charles Dickens for Eccleston's Doctor was easily his best script yet.

For me, the worst episodes of all since 2005:

  • New Earth
    Idiot's Lantern
    Fear Her
    Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
    42
    Voyage of the Damned
    The Doctor's Daughter
    Planet of the Dead
    Victory of the Daleks
    Curse of the Black Spot


I've never been able to watch any of those a second time, and The Doctor's Daughter I skipped most of and haven't bothered going back to it...

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New Earth
Idiot's Lantern
Fear Her
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
Voyage of the Damned
The Doctor's Daughter
Planet of the Dead

I only watched the above episodes once.

Planet of the dead, I almost rewatched with the missus, just to test how Who looks in HD. But I decided to play The Next Doctor instead (which I believe was also in HD).

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The only two I didn't care for were Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her. Most of the others had enough bits for me that I liked to get over a "bad" episode. There's even some on that list that I really like. Is New Earth generally panned by Who fans?


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Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it's kind of weak script...

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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
Planet of the dead, I almost rewatched with the missus, just to test how Who looks in HD. But I decided to play The Next Doctor instead (which I believe was also in HD).


Nope, The Next Doctor was the last episode transmitted in standard def. First HD was Planet of the Tired RTD Crap...

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Planet of the Dead was a waste of HD. It was all sand and lens flares.

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If I were going to show anyone a Doctor Who trailer to try and get them interested in the series, this would be it...


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I sent you a PM Pro. Im thinking River regenerating the Doctor will allow him to go past the normal 12 allotted regenerations for a Time Lord.


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If I were going to show anyone a Doctor Who trailer to try and get them interested in the series, this would be it...

<object width="1280" height="750"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zm7aE4xUjwQ?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0&hd=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zm7aE4xUjwQ?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0&hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="1280" height="750" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>







SMEGGIN BRILLIANT!


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Awesome! I have BOTH of those issues!

Grimm, you tried Matty Smith yet?

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not yet. been busy with other stuff. but soon. . .

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At Wizard world got a print from a guy that had Brave & Bold cover alla the 70's with Batman and Doctor Who! Batman jumps out of the TARDIS to stop the 10th and 11th Doctors from killing each othre over a sonic screawdriver!


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Awesome! Gotta scan the print I got looks just like McLaughlin's stuff!


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Meh. It was....okay.

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I see how they are building the separation angles between The Doctor and Amy/Rory.

When Who came back in 2005, it was something special that the characters...especially the companions...had more pathos and nuance. By 2011, it's becoming the driving force behind episodes. I think I'm ready to get back to traveling the universe and fighting monsters.

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I liked this episode. Felt bad for old Amy, but I kinda expected the doctor to do something like that (actually, I thought he was lying about the TARDIS being able to sustain a paradox, and that the old amy will cease to exist when they get inside)

I got the hint that Rory's starting to turn sour on the doctor. And I dunno, maybe Amy's going to go the same way eventually. He's done things to them - with Rory losing this amy, and amy losing Rory to the cracks in the previous season. I'm at the point where I wouldn't be surprised to know that the astronaut in lake Silencio has something to do with Amy and Rory falling out with the doctor, which would explain why he didn't resist.

I would have made the doctor say "this is kindness" as he leaves old Amy, though.

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It was an okay episode. Not the best, but not bad. I'm hoping that the next companion gets to just be a companion without having to 'become' anything like all the companions since the relaunch have been.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Haven't watched it, yet. Yesterday was a major college football binge day. Be back with thoughts later.

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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Yeah, Torchwood is shite.


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Just finished TORCHWOOD: MIRACLE DAY. Wow. If you felt uncomfortable watching Jack be sexual with men before, don't watch this. There's like two scenes of full-on gay butt-fucking in this thing. And I don't mean a quick flash, either. If you've ever wanted to see Captain Jack reach climax, then this is your story (MEM)...

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Great episode! Probably one of the best ones this season.

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Called it! Knew Gillan was lying at the conventions. I actually got a little misty that final moment Matt Smith looks at Karen Gillan. They were both brand-new, thrown in the fire to keep Doctor Who going after the David Tennant/RTD era. And by god, they both did it better than anyone could have imagined. So, if this is Amy and Rory's goodbye, then I'm damn good with it. Kind of surprised Moffat wasn't the one to write this one, though.

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SOM you got a link for the confidential?

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I got nothin'

SPOILERS

Ep felt a little lukewarm to me. On the one hand, I really believe that the doctor really let the Williams go. But on the other hand, it didn't feel that important to me (I mean, 9 tricking Rose into going back to the present and 10 returning Donna to her present made me feel sad, even 11's farewell to little amy last season had the same effect. But this time I didn't feel anything. Not even relief). Maybe because I didn't find the framing story that interesting, or all the amy drama these past few episodes desensitized me. Or maybe Moffat could have handled it better. Amy and Rory felt like minor characters to me in this ep.

I also didn't feel like we're already nearing the conclusion for this season, but I expect to be surprised. I remember the Lodger and Vincent and the Doctor had me feeling awkward, not expecting how they're going to tie up the series but BAM, Big Bang! and it was awesome. So I have faith in Moffat. Praise him.

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LOL! I'm with you to a point. I was surprised that Moff would let anyone else but himself write them out. However, I think there's something else going on here. We know we'll "see them" again, since they'll be showing us his death at Lake Silencio from his perspective. But, I still think Gillan was lying when she said she'd be around next year. If that's the case, then it will be as random guest-appearances probably. Kind of like Martha? I don't know. Either way, personally, if this is the ultimate good-bye between them, then I'm good. I don't think every companions needs a fanfare send-off. Sometimes, their stories just end, and they go away. That's how it was in the old days before RTD needed every second to be an epiphany in emotional naval-gazing. But, like I said, we'll see. I don't think that's it. Not yet. For all we know, Amy's the one in the astronaut suit that shoots him.

And since we only have two episodes left, and the next one is a stand-alone, then that means the mystery of his death will probably linger until Xmas...

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I think the answer to his survival was in last week's ep. There are two Doctors from divergent timelines. The Doctor may even be his own killer.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
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This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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There are herrings all over the place, though. Gangers, Tesselecta tech (which is what this "holodeck" looked like when it shut off), dupe timelines, etc. There's still two images I remember from the season trailer that we haven't seen yet. I won't say what they are, as I wouldn't want to spoil anything. But, I'll be interested to see how the finale plays out...

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The Cloister bell when he opened the door (room 11, heh) gave me a little nerdgasm.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Me too! I am of the mind that he saw The Valeyard standing in his console room. I mean, what does he fear more than turning into that which he fights?

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It would fit in well with his comment about the Dreamlord. "There's only one person who hates me this much." or something along those lines. The big question is what is his faith in? Rassalon? Himself (most likely).


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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