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You said it!



Maybe they don't like racist witches?



Right, because the Marine vets and actual Tea Party members...they're not "REAL" Americans...

Moron.

I know Palin doesn't have a sense for history but, c'mon, Wondy. The American Revolution wasn't a best of seven series of slap fights between redcoats and bluecoats... This system is broken. And, while I would prefer it to be a peaceful revolution, I also agree with the need to water the tree of liberty every now and again.

Leading up to the American Revolution, the British were shooting our citizens in the streets in "the Boston Massacre" and similar incidents. There was far less representation, far more provocation.

I think you're a little too eager for revolution.
And you seem to be oblivious to the fact that the revolution is being led by the ACORNS, the SEIUs, the MoveOns, the CodePinks, the William Ayers's.
That alone should give you pause.

Am I misreading? You seem to be giving a dismissive scorn to the Tea Party, which is far larger, and (Ron Paul-like) pushes for reforms far more in line with our Constitution, fiscal responsibility and the will of the people.
Why would you cheer instead for people who openly hate capitalism and push for soviet-style central planning, wealth redistribution and socialism?

We have an election 13 months away, why in hell would you want a revolution? That's just delusional.

You mean the "election" where they decide who is going to be our new figurehead? Which company buys the rights, I wonder? I mean, I remember when they bought the election in Florida at the beginning of last decade. But, then when Obama got shoehorned in by the media, you have to wonder how much they paid for him, versus McCain?

Oh wait. You still think we have FREE elections?

Liberal Media. Along with all the marxist blogs you linked and youtubed, and failed to mention.



Liberal media.


Reporting a bunch of confused socialist hippies on Wall Street with no focus. Not endorsing the protests as you (Whomod-like in your misrepresentation) allege.





Fuck you, too.

I first question if these are actual Tea Party and military veterans, or just liberal front men alleging to be what they claim.

Second, even assuming they really are what they say (many alleged "Vets" who protested the Vietnam war were proven not to be vets when journalistically checked out), what I saw in the clip you posted, they were opinionated and supported the protests, but offered no convincing facts. If they truly served their country or are Tea party members, they are entitled to their opinion.
If they're liars pretending to be what they're not (as so many liberals are), they deserve to be exposed, if not kicked in the teeth.

!! Oh my god Dave, they're not even American!!







You are in complete denial of reality, old man. You live in a small, sad little fictional world. Have yourself committed, soon. I dread to think how bad it's going to get for you...

You seemed to have a high opinion of our democracy and elections when you voted for Obama.

All of a sudden, the Republicans --many of whom like Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain are true reformers with their ideas on the table and not just vague promises of "change"-- are the favored winners in Nov 2012, and you declare it a police state.

You are SUCH a fucking liar, Pro. You call for non-partisanship, even as you never relent from your attacks on Republicans, the Tea Party, or Fox News.
The only POV you will tolerate is that of people who believe the same thing you do.

Exactly. As I've intimated in another thread, they have laid down the narrative. Regardless of what anything else in reality tells you, your GOP nom will be either Perry or Romeney and, trust me, they have been properly vetted and approved by a whole bunch of guys that don't give a fuck about you. Seriously, they do not give a fuck about you. And, nor do their puppets sent out there to give you an illusion of choice. They even try to tell you who "looks" presidential.

Here is someone who can explain it better:

I see no facts to dispute what many others have pointed out. The most recent I've read being BIAS by Bernard Goldberg.



Again, no facts to support your mockery.

G-man posted an article a while back where the head of BBC admitted they took a partisan stance against the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003-forward.
As I pointed out in another thread within the last day, Robert Kagan said on Charlie Rose in that same period, on his return from Europe, that the reason european popular opinion was so against the U.S. military action in Iraq is because a pro-U.S. opinion of the war is never voiced in the European media!



Again: your emoticons are not facts. They're just the equivalent of Rex's youtube video of infants crying and throwing tantrums.



Yeah, because all Vietnam Veteraans protesting the war were actual veterans.

I don't under-estimate the vile and deceitful nature of CodePink, William Ayers, or your own proven lying nature on these boards.

A little off topic but, enjoy...

Iggy you Liberal Scum!!

So much for the narrative...

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/05/roemer-says-he-stands-with-occupy-wall-street-movement/



*Emphasis mine

And, Cain and Romney sound like dicks.

Yeah...

You're giving them a lot of credit with that 10-point word...

And, they dare to call us the obscurantists. I'm still trying to figure out who this Herb Cain fellow is.

Damn right. That's what I said.



I would never say "G--damn", or that the Tea Party was not capable of being co-opted or just could make a mistake.

As I've acknowledged in multiple posts, particularly during the budget vote, where I think they made a mistake by caving in and not holding out for the 4 trillion in cuts that the Simpson-Bowles plan and the major credit-rating agencies said needed to be cut to show serious commitment to reform.

More of your lies, Pro.

Would you include me in your list of "Shills"?

If so, please make a case for that.

Given that the backers of the protestors include SEIU, Teachers Unions, MoveOn.org, and George Soros, and that the socialist blather that every one of these protestors rants incoherently, I'd say "Herb" Cain's remarks ring pretty accurate, and don't reveal him to sound like "a dick" (whatever that vague insult is intended to mean).

It seems to me that all these people supporting the protests, including the rah-rah media, are arguably shills for the Democrat political machine.

And as you know, if you've read any of my posts where I urge you to read OBAMANOMICS by Timothy Carney, I clearly see corporate campaign finance to be a cancer that infects both parties.
Although the corporate money --particularly the Wall Street money-- went unprecedentedly for Obama in 2008.

But Carney names names, and they span both parties.

Not necessarily but, you could play one on tv. IMO, your biggest flaw would be jumping to quickly to slam any and everything from the left as being SEIU, William Ayers, etc...

Here are some, IMO, great developments on the left:
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/28/ralph-nader-hearts-ron-paul-ha

http://www.facebook.com/bluerepublican

I know there are lots of people in the OWS protests that do not want to see Obama elected and are working as best they can to keep the movement from being co-opted.

Most of them are just typical American blokes just like the two of us.

Okay, if you're going into the territory where you call someone (not necessarily me, but anyone) a "shill", then maybe you shouldn't post video from partisan liberal sites like The Young Turks.

I say they are endorsed by SEIU, Teachers Unions, and socialist-marxist groups because they are, and are clearly stating anti-capitalist rhetoric, calling for marxist revolution.
That is definitely William Ayers territory.
And both you and Pro have also stated that sentiment as well, beyond merely quoting it from radical liberal sites. Just a few posts back, you said "it's time for revolution" and that elections are no longer valid. Am I misinterpreting anything?

As I quoted Buchanan a few pages back, despite being the most prosperous generation in history, they have convinced themselves that they are living in an intolerable hell.

I found the notions presented in this article rather silly, and just wishful thinking on the part of the Left.

And when they're up against ACORN, SEIU, teachers' unions, and the rest of the Democrat machine, realistically these guys and their alleged "libertarian-Left alliance" are just going to get steamrolled.

Likewise on the Right. I don't see any splinter groups gaining traction when the urgent imperative is to beat Obama. I see Romney as potentially the Bill Clinton of the Right, who will pragmatically move to the center and not be any more partisan than he has to in order to win the base and get the nomination, before moving to the center to win independents, and the election. Romney is my guy.

My second choice is Gingrich, who understands the political system, has a clear and long-term vision for rebuilding our economy and re-tooling the nation for the 21st century. I see Gingrich as dismissively underestimated even by Fox News, and having the potential to be the front-runner, and one who will not leave the nation mired in partisan games, but --as he did with Clinton-- get things done and move the nation forward.

I like Herman ("Herb") Cain and I was dismissive of him because of his lack of political experience. But he certainly has plenty of executive experience and proven leadership ability. But in an election where the economy is the high-priority issue, Cain has a record of taking multiple companies that were in bankruptcy, and turning them back into very successful companies. As does Romney.

Bachmann as well is a former tax attorney and successful business owner, as well as her proven leadership in the House and the Tea Party. A few gaffs, yes, overplayed by a media that hates her (despite Obama and most of his administration making equal or worse gaffs, including Anita Dunn and Ron Bloom, to name two, openly praising chairman Mao).

I don't see Perry, Paul, Johnson or Huntsman as shills or incompetent either. I like Perry the least, but none of these guys make me think the only alternative is revolution.

It was the first one to pop up when I googled Herb Cain. So, sue me.



Believe it or not, I agree with you about that with some of the protesters that are there. Why? Because some of them are sheep that ate up all the anti-capitalist rhetoric that Michael Moore could muster. As I've said in this thread, the movement is on the threshold if not already in the process of being co-opted by those that would seek to destroy it. Still, I am not going to paint the whole crowd red because of it.

Sure, there are suckers there that don't get that Soros means money and power for him and socialism for everyone else. Same way, IMO, quite a few TPers I know that are sucking Koch (get it?) even though I think it is quite clear that the Koch Bros don't give a shit about them. They just want more tax breaks for themselves and less protections for their miners.

And, I think that just about sums up my feeling on all of this. Both groups have been or are being co-opted. But, it won't stop me from lending my support to those I know that really stick up for the values they claim to believe in and will work with both sides for what I see as fixing this country.



No, the game is rigged. We have a one party system operating as a two party system and it's time we addressed that issue. Hopefully, peaceably.



If I remember that correctly, it was most speaking about the Baby Boomers. And, on that, I will agree. However, I don't think that is the case with those of us in the say, thirty and under crowd. We're all in student loan debt. The country is broke. The manufacturing jobs are gone. Unemployment and underemployment levels don't look to be changing for years to come. We're all being herded like cattle into retail. I'd be happy making twelve dollars an hour at this point. This country has been on the wrong track for, at least, two decades. Using the ballot box seems to always lead to new boss, same as the old boss. Yeah, it is time to change shit by hitting the streets if it is the only way to get things done.

I just saw on the news that someone started handing out job applications at the protests. The crowd dispersed immediately and they called off all further gatherings.

Eloquent, as ever Iggy. Exactly what we've been saying. I hope he reads your words in a way he cannot read mine...

Oh and here's a Policeman hoping to bear American citizens...

More corporate-funded animals, abusing Americans. No rights but what the corporations give you...

To protect and serve our bankster overlords!