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Early Polls Indicate 44% of Respondents Saying "It's about damn time" and 32% Wishing For A Kick Instead of Punch
NEW YORK, NY (October 12, 2011) - Apparently seeking to ride the wave of popular anger being expressed by the growing "Occupy Wall Street" movement, today President Obama punched an investment banker in the face.
The punch occurred during a White House meet-and-greet around noon. After a brief speech on tax reform, President Obama called investment banker Ron Milner to the podium and then, without provocation or warning, delivered what witnesses describe as a "haymaker" punch to Mr. Milner's jaw. "That's for ruining the economy, asshole," Mr. Obama remarked, then spit at Mr. Milner's feet and walked away.
Early polls indicate the President's punch is receiving widespread voter approval, with 44% of respondents telling survey-takers "It's about damn time one of those rich pricks got their teeth knocked in" and another 32% saying they wished Obama had kicked Mr. Milner in addition to punching him.
On-the-street interviews with "Occupy Wall Street" protestors also indicate broad support for Obama's action. "I personally do not condone violence of any kind, but come on, you gotta admit that was pretty sweet," activist Louis Cartwright, 32, told Onion News Network reporters. "Obama was all like 'Bam!' and that dickhead banker was like 'No, not my perfect face!' I mean, I would prefer to see Obama push for financial regulatory reform, but that was still pretty awesome."
The banker punch may have also been a boon for President Obama's efforts to pass his American Jobs Act. When asked if he still opposed the bill this afternoon, a visibly nervous Republican house majority leader Eric Cantor said, "No no no. I'll pass whatever the President wants. P-p-please don't let him hurt me."
Like Jon Stewart. Like Stephen Colbert. Like Tina Fey on SNL perpetuating myths of what Sarah Palin said, that many believe is what Palin actually said!
The article (similar to Jon Stewart's schtick) blends together a grain of fact with plenty of distorted myth, that many (Ray Adler and Pro being prime examples) accept as gospel truth and "news".
Chevy Chase in an interview likewise said that his mockery of Gerald Ford on SNL was a deliberate attempt to demean and damage a president he didn't like.
This is certainly true for Tina Fey in her burning hatred of Sarah Palin as well, if you've ever seen her interviewed on the subject.
And no doubt many other liberal actors, less prone to revealing their motives. For many actors and comedians, their zeal for the Left and their hatred for the right (much like Pro's) is never in question.
Still waiting for an explanation of why the "spontaneous revolution of the opressed" is being astroturfed on CraigsList.
And how this "uncorrupted and pure" movement of the people is being directed by the puppet strings of George Soros, the United Auto Workers, Service Employees International Union, MoveOn, and so forth.
I think the title by the guy who posted, "air-head hippies don't know shit" is a bit mean-spirited. He was nice to her face, and then knifed her in the back when he posted this.
But while she seems intelligent and has a good heart... it is accurate to say she didn't take the time to inform herself and speak competently about the issues she is on the street fighting for. Issues that she admittedly doesn't understand at all, beyond her intuitive opinion of "what seems right".
She also says "man" about 30 times, which is amusingly 70's hippy-ish.
In other words, you have no defense for your behavior, or ability to counter the facts I presented.
So you hide behind emoticons and childish games.
No, it means you have yet to even prove any of your claims about FOX, even when I've gone so far as to proven my own points, two or three times over, with various different examples of FOX's hypocrisy and Stewart's liberal slant. Which means you are the one who cannot prove anything he says, and therefore scrambles and gets angry.
Sorry, Dave. Facts are facts. Either man-up and accept the truth of your holier-than-thou FOX Right Network or stop bothering trying to convince me of anything. I don't listen to people who cannot back up anything they say...
Originally Posted By: iggy
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Humor!
I know. His "tolerance" lasted all of a week. Maybe.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Humor that supports The Revolution.
Amen! Praise the New American Revolution! Here's to freedom, democracy, and equality for all! Right?
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Like Jon Stewart. Like Stephen Colbert.
Do these guys make you cry into your pillow at night? Because you bring them up far more than I do...and yet claim to not watch them. Hmmmm...
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Like Tina Fey on SNL perpetuating myths of what Sarah Palin said, that many believe is what Palin actually said!
...what??? Are you actually still BUTTHURT over Palin's amateur ignorance getting exposed to the world? Fuck David, that was...what...three years ago? Man, move on! If you don't like the fact Sarah is two-steps and a bank account away from being just another middle-aged gold-digger, with an intellectual grasp of the world to match, then tell your party to pick someone worth America's time.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Chevy Chase in an interview likewise said that his mockery of Gerald Ford on SNL was a deliberate attempt to demean and damage a president he didn't like.
This is certainly true for Tina Fey in her burning hatred of Sarah Palin as well, if you've ever seen her interviewed on the subject.
And no doubt many others, less prone to revealing their motives. For many actors and comedians, their zeal for the Left and their hatred for the right (much like Pro's) is never in question.
Yes. When Lorne Michaels created Saturday Night Live, his intention was to set a stage where celebrities and the like could come and assault Republicans and the Right in a Marxist Liberal Scheme to destroy God's 'Merica! {evil-laughter}
BTW, everyone should have "demonized" Ford. He was a corporate-right pawn whose only driving goal and notable achievement was pardoning a Republican-criminal-crony like Richard Nixon. Fuck that guy, and fuck anyone who thinks he's worth their time. Anybody that stupid deserves to be belittled and dismissed.
Man, if I could count the number of hippy chicks just like her that I banged in college, man...then, man, I'd probably go get tested for most STDs again, man.
As for move on and company trying to co-opt, here is Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake on RT's The Alyona Show.
Man, if I could count the number of hippy chicks just like her that I banged in college, man...then, man, I'd probably go get tested for most STDs again, man.
As for move on and company trying to co-opt, here is Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake on RT's The Alyona Show.
First off, I've seen this Alyona chick multiple times before, and her POV is to the left of MSNBC every time I've watched her. She's good looking, but beyond that, she's very smarmy and liberal-partisan. I think I first saw her at The Young Turks, or linked from their site.
RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a global multilingual television news network based in the Russian Federation run by RIA Novosti, the 100% government controlled[1] state-run[2] Russian media outlet.
100%. Russian. Government. Controlled.
And the lefties love it because it never misses an opportunity to paint the U.S. in the most negative light possible.
In the case of this, I think it's disinformation. Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake has views that I hope would be the reality, that this isn't just created and co-opted by the puppeteers of the Left (Soros, MoveOn, SEIU, UAW, Van Jones). But this is her wishful thinking of what should happen. -vs.- what is actually happening. The DNC muscle --and other further-left muscle-- is clearly there behind the scenes. And if the Tea Party were making anti-semitic comments like I've seen on multiple Youtube videos of the WAll Street protestors, you can bet it would lead every network.
As opposed to only existing on youtube, as it does. That unfavorable antisemitism doesn't fit the liberal media narrative of how they want the Wall Street protestors portrayed.
Why are you and Pro so eager to dismiss the Tea Party members as a shill group of "inbred white rascists" (Pro's words, not iggy's, but both contemptuous of the Tea Party) with a corporate/GOP agenda. Against all evidence. (EXAMPLE: the budget vote where the Tea Party caucus held out for a responsible 4 trillion in cuts that both S & P and Bowles-Simpson mandated. Boehner and the Republicans wanted compromise, but the Tea Party caucus was scorned holding out for more.)
But at the same timeyou guys accept , Scouts' honor, that the Occupy Wall Street posturing is genuine from the grass roots level, despite the clear puppet strings of Soros, SEIU, Van jones etc. Against the evidence.
It seems to me you are too eager to embrace the Wall Streeters, and too easily dismiss the Tea Party crowd. It's laughable, how respectful and nonviolent the Tea Partiers were who were scorned by the media. And how disruptive, uncivil, and downright foul much of the Wall Street protests have been. And yet incredibly are praised by the media, where the Tea Party was scorned by them.
In other words, you have no defense for your behavior, or ability to counter the facts I presented.
So you hide behind emoticons and childish games.
No, it means you have yet to even prove any of your claims about FOX,
Bullshit.
I've repeatedly made clear with Geraldo coverage linked that he (among many others on Fox) gives liberal counterpoint that is favorable to the protestors and says they make legitimate points.
And that's in addition to a fair amount of every single hour of Fox's 24-hour coverage that likewise gives liberal counterpoint to the conservative views presented on Fox. (That you, in your partisan uninformed ignorance, never watch to even KNOW whether it's partisan or not. You're ridiculous.)
Originally Posted By: Pro
...even when I've gone so far as to proven my own points, two or three times over, with various different examples of FOX's hypocrisy and Stewart's liberal slant.
I've got news for you Pro: Comedy is not News! Especially when it's liberal comedians like Jon Stewart who have made no secret of their partisanship to the liberal side of the argument. Your argument is not "proven", it is truly ridiculous.
Beyond Stewart videos, the only other footage you posted was a snipped-out-of-context 20 seconds of Gretchen Carlson from Fox & Friends, that I already discussed at length.
Originally Posted By: Pro
Which means you are the one who cannot prove anything he says, and therefore scrambles and gets angry.
More of your gloating chest-beating.
Is this you "yanking my chain" in a "fun" way? Or are you having a serious meltdown here --as you often do-- that you will backpedal later to say Hey, I was just kidding, can't you take a joke? Or are you just mocking me, in parody-words you would like to script me to say, to conform to your "inbred, redneck white-racist" cartoon perception of what a conservative is? Or an actual moment of seriousness, before you go a post later into slandering me in one of the above ways?
You lie so many ways in your discussions with me, Pro, I'm reluctant to give you the slightest seriousness at this point. The only mystery is which category of lie you are unleashing.
You're bipolar, angry and in hysterics, but if I call you on anything you said in dead seriousness and got busted on the over-the-topness of (EXAMPLE: your "can't handle there's a nigger in the white house" rant), you revert back into a dishonest "just kidding", and emoticon and endlessly until someone changes the subject and takes you off the hook.
Everyone here knows your game plan, Pro. Me, Pariah (who points it out often), G-man... Sammitch (more playfully on the periphery, but he still acknowledges he sees what you're doing)
And everyone else in the sidelines. Your troll formula is repetitive and boring, and it's largely why there's only like 6 members who haven't abandoned these boards.
It's the Pro version of "I win again!", where you often actually lost but will never admit it, and spam the same shit endlessly till even the person you are attacking is too bored to continue responding.
Don't even try to pretend you have a serious point any more.
Originally Posted By: Pro
Sorry, Dave. Facts are facts. Either man-up and accept the truth of your holier-than-thou FOX Right Network or stop bothering trying to convince me of anything. I don't listen to people who cannot back up anything they say...
I spent a shitload of time answering every one of your points.
As I just pointed out with my own quoted comments, I neither blindly accept everything Fox News says (as you allege), or exclusively only watch Fox News (as you allege). I've quoted your rabid hysterical partisan accusations, and then quoted with what I actually said, repeatedly. I clearly am not limited to Fox News. I just don't have an apoplectic fanatical hatred of Fox as you do. (Jon Stewart is your news source.)
The rest is just your attempt to mock me for your own malicious pleasure, just to troll on me and piss me off, in deliberate distortion of anything I say.
How does a sincere honest person have a debate with a deliberately antagonistic liar like you? Following the Pro formula troll response, you acknowledge nothing, you twist and distort everything I say just to piss me off, and in the same breath you ADMIT you lie in order to do exactly that, and then say WHAT, WHAT?!?
You're a liar. And everyone here knows it.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: iggy
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Humor!
I know. His "tolerance" lasted all of a week. Maybe.
What a sham for you to say that Pro. You never stopped harassing me, calling me racist labels, whacko, crazy, etc. not for one day.
And through the whole "friendly truce" period, you never ceased to attach this to every one of your posts:
You never stopped twisting my words and insinuating the most insulting things, Not even for a day. And again: you clearly say you do it just to "yank my chain" and piss me off.
You're not looking for answers, just comments you can take apart and twist into "inbred racist" pieces to throw back at me.
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Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Humor that supports The Revolution.
Amen! Praise the New American Revolution! Here's to freedom, democracy, and equality for all! Right?
No. You have no respect for anyone's opinion but your own.
"Freedom" for you means the opportunity to slander and harass anyone who disagrees with you.
Originally Posted By: Pro
Originally Posted By: WB
Like Jon Stewart. Like Stephen Colbert.
Do these guys make you cry into your pillow at night? Because you bring them up far more than I do...and yet claim to not watch them. Hmmmm...
More trollery. Your words are again just a lie, to solicit a reaction. I know your game.
Originally Posted By: Pro
Originally Posted By: WB
Like Tina Fey on SNL perpetuating myths of what Sarah Palin said, that many believe is what Palin actually said!
...what??? Are you actually still BUTTHURT over Palin's amateur ignorance getting exposed to the world? Fuck David, that was...what...three years ago? Man, move on! If you don't like the fact Sarah is two-steps and a bank account away from being just another middle-aged gold-digger, with an intellectual grasp of the world to match, then tell your party to pick someone worth America's time.
I could care less about Palin. Other than it being a manifestation for how liberals in the media used their entertainment (Jon Stewart, SNL, Letterman) as a tool to slander and damage a conservative vice presidential candidate they didn't like.
I've even seen stories about this on 60 minutes and 20/20 of how people are asked what Tina Fey in character said, vs. what Sarah Palin actually said. And many liberals are sure that Sarah Palin herself (rather than Fey who actually said it on SNL) said "I can see Russia from my house!" I believe I saw that in the same story that interviewed Chevy Chase who in rare honesty said that he fully intended to damage Gerald Ford's image back in 1976.
Originally Posted By: Pro
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Chevy Chase in an interview likewise said that his mockery of Gerald Ford on SNL was a deliberate attempt to demean and damage a president he didn't like.
This is certainly true for Tina Fey in her burning hatred of Sarah Palin as well, if you've ever seen her interviewed on the subject.
And no doubt many others, less prone to revealing their motives. For many actors and comedians, their zeal for the Left and their hatred for the right (much like Pro's) is never in question.
Hiding behind emoticons...
Originally Posted By: Pro
Yes. When Lorne Michaels created Saturday Night Live, his intention was to set a stage where celebrities and the like could come and assault Republicans and the Right in a Marxist Liberal Scheme to destroy God's 'Merica! {evil-laughter}
More of your "scripting" me to conform to your cartoon stereotype of a conservative. Your game exposed again.
Read BIAS by Bernard Goldberg, among other sources that expose the liberal media and culture. It's often not conscious that liberals --in this example comedians-- consciously or unconsciously through entertainmemt advocate their liberal ideology and candidates, and reflexively attack conservative candidates.
Originally Posted By: Pro
BTW, everyone should have "demonized" Ford. He was a corporate-right pawn whose only driving goal and notable achievement was pardoning a Republican-criminal-crony like Richard Nixon. Fuck that guy, and fuck anyone who thinks he's worth their time. Anybody that stupid deserves to be belittled and dismissed.
Said in the most toxic word-choice possible. As usual. Trying to solicit a reaction by being as inflammatory and foul as possible.
And then if I do: Look, look! WB reacted, he's an extremist wacko, inbred redneck nutjob! But I'm the objective one, who is just relentlessly using the most sulfuric-acid-laced extreme comments to solicit a reaction from WB! But I'm the calm sane one!!!!
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
He will not listen. Nor can he back up any of his presented "facts". I don't think there's much point in trying to show him reality. He's too personally vested in FOX to admit their slant.
Rationalizations 3:16 - Thou shalt allow FOX all words they wish to Espouse. Verily, thou shalt not ask for facts or proof to anything. Thou shalt have FAITH in Lord Murdoch, and all his benevolent gifts to mankind.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy, Jan 11, 2011
Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
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Arizona shooting suspect may be linked to anti-Semitic group From: NewsCore January 10, 2011 12:41AM Increase Text Size Decrease Text Size Print Email Share Add to Digg Add to del.icio.us Add to Facebook Add to Kwoff Add to Myspace Add to Newsvine What are these? THE suspect being held over Saturday's shooting of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords may have links to anti-Semitic race hate group American Renaissance.
An internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) memo quoted by FOX News Channel revealed the gunman - named by the media as Jared Loughner, 22 - is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance.
The group subscribes to an ideology that is "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti -ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti-Semitic," according to the DHS memo.
Giffords "is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group's ideology when it came to immigration debate," the note said.
The suspect's mother works the Pima County Board of Supervisors in Arizona, the briefing added. ...
He further says that he had previously never heard of or met Jared Loughner, that Loughner is not a website member, has never registered for an American Rennaisance conference, and that there is not even any evidence that Loughner has ever even visited the American Rennaissance website.
He says Homeland Security investigators first leaked the story to CNN, and then Fox News got the story false too, that Loughner "belonged to a right-wing organization", and then Fox News picked up the story too without verifying it (he specifically blames reporter Jennifer Griffin), and from there many liberals (including Juan Williams) reported that it's been verified that Loughner had connections to a right-wing website, when Loughner actually didn't.
Yet another example of how I'm "too personally vested" and never question Fox News, Pro?
Why can't you just admit your hysteria and immunity to the facts in your attempt to sweepingly label me?
This entire Wall Street topic, your selection of youtube clips from hard-left sites, your full endorsement and enthusiasm for the most hard-left rhetoric of revolution, you're exactly the kind of zombie for the Left that you accuse me of being for the Right.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Calm down, David. Calm down. Take your time. If you reach you can find more insane ways to explode all over the place. Please try and remain calm. Look back over the posts and try and figure out what part of your reality bubble I punctured? Take your time. I'll be here forever.
You are a whacko. It's like talking to a petulant child with Alzheimer's...
'Occupy Wall Street' -- It's Not What They're for, But What They're Against
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Critics of the growing Occupy Wall Street movement complain that the protesters don’t have a policy agenda and, therefore, don’t stand for anything. They're wrong. The key isn’t what protesters are for but rather what they’re against -- the gaping inequality that has poisoned our economy, our politics and our nation.
In America today, 400 people have more wealth than the bottom 150 million combined. That’s not because 150 million Americans are pathetically lazy or even unlucky. In fact, Americans have been working harder than ever -- productivity has risen in the last several decades. Big business profits and CEO bonuses have also gone up. Worker salaries, however, have declined.
Most of the Occupy Wall Street protesters aren’t opposed to free market capitalism. In fact, what they want is an end to the crony capitalist system now in place, that makes it easier for the rich and powerful to get even more rich and powerful while making it increasingly hard for the rest of us to get by. The protesters are not anti-American radicals. They are the defenders of the American Dream, the decision from the birth of our nation that success should be determined by hard work not royal bloodlines.
Sure, bank executives may work a lot harder than you and me or a mother of three doing checkout at a grocery store. Maybe the bankers work ten times harder. Maybe even a hundred times harder. But they’re compensated a thousand times more.
The question is not how Occupy Wall Street protesters can find that gross discrepancy immoral. The question is why every one of us isn’t protesting with them.
According to polls, most Americans support the 99% movement, even if they’re not taking to the streets. In fact, support for the Occupy Wall Street protests is not only higher than for either political party in Washington but greater than support for the Tea Party. And unlike the Tea Party which was fueled by national conservative donors and institutions, the Occupy Wall Street Movement is spreading organically from Idaho to Indiana. Institutions on the left, including unions, have been relatively late to the game.
Ironically, the original Boston Tea Party activists would likely support Occupy Wall Street more as well. Note that the original Tea Party didn’t protest taxes, merely the idea of taxation without representation -- and they were actually protesting the crown-backed monopoly of the East India Company, the main big business of the day.
Americans today also support taxes. In fact, two-thirds of voters -- including a majority of Republicans -- support increasing taxes on the rich, something the Occupy Wall Street protests implicitly support. That’s not just anarchist lefty kids. Soccer moms and construction workers and, yes, even some bankers want to see our economy work for the 99%, not just the 1%, and are flocking to Occupy protests in droves.
I’ve even met a number of Libertarians and Tea Party conservatives at these protests. So the critics are right, the Occupy Wall Street movement isn’t the Tea Party. Occupy Wall Street is much, much broader.
Maybe it’s hard to see your best interests reflected in a sometimes rag-tag, inarticulate, imperfect group of protesters. But make no mistake about it: While horrendous inequality is not an American tradition, protest is.And if you’re part of the 99% of underpaid or unemployed Americans crushed in the current economy, the Occupy Wall Street protests are your best chance at fixing the broken economy that is breaking your back.
Sally Kohn is the founder and Chief Education Officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a grassroots think tank for Marxist Revolution. Follow her on Twitter@sallykohn.
Karl Denninger was one of the founders of the Tea Party back just a few years ago when some concerned conservatives wanted to fire back at the government for what they said was unjust practices.
Today, similar sentiments are being echoed by the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Is it right to make comparisons between the two groups? Denninger says that, yes, to some degree the comparisons are indeed accurate. The Occupy movement, however, can learn from some of the mistakes that he says the Tea Party succumbed to.
“The problem with protests and the political process is that it is very easy, no matter how big the protests is, for the politicians to simply wait for the people to go home,” says Denninger. “Then they can ignore you.”
With the problems posing Americans as big as they are though, said Denninger, it makes sense that so many citizens are joining the movement. Denninger acknowledged that much of America has lost jobs and homes and seen the stock market crash twice in only a matter of years. “People are saying, ‘You know what? I know I’ve gotten screwed by all of this but I don’t know how I got screwed. I just know that it happened. And it all came from New York and Washington DC.”
With the Occupy movement as broad as it is, some critics say the chaos and lack of a solid plan will be the downfall of the movement. Denninger says, though, that that could actually give the group leverage. And as the movement spreads from coast-to-coast and now abroad, perhaps he is exactly right.
“One of the things that the Occupy movement seems to have going for it is it has not turned around and issued a set of formal demands,” said Denninger. “This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Everyone is looking for a set of demands.” Denninger added that once the protesters formally approach the banks and government with a list of demands, “then somebody is going to say, ‘Well, we gave you 70 percent. Now go home.’”
In the case of the Tea Party, Denninger says such organization was actually the group’s downfall. “One of the things we wanted was the end to bailouts and an end to government deficit spending, and as you can see that didn’t happen,” said Denninger, who today manages The Market Ticker.
Denninger added that demonstrators with Occupy Wall Street and the offshoots across the world shouldn’t just abandon their goals. “Stay on message, which is that the corruption is not a singular event,” he said. “You can’t focus in one place. You have to get the money out of politics, which is very difficult to do, but at the same time you can’t silence people’s voice.”
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Occupy Wall Street is about real Americans standing up for what they believe in!
Calm down, David. Calm down. Take your time. If you reach you can find more insane ways to explode all over the place. Please try and remain calm. Look back over the posts and try and figure out what part of your reality bubble I punctured? Take your time. I'll be here forever.
You are a whacko. It's like talking to a petulant child with Alzheimer's...
You're a lying asshole, Pro.
You're trying to push my buttons, and it won't work anymore. Your formula is so overplayed and obvious. I'm not angry, I'm not upset or or whatever. You're just an idiot. A defiant spoiled child who just wants to mock anyone who disagrees with you. And you no longer merit an audience.
I'm the very last person here who took your antagonism seriously enough to respond. And I'm done.
'Occupy Wall Street' -- It's Not What They're for, But What They're Against
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Critics of the growing Occupy Wall Street movement complain that the protesters don’t have a policy agenda and, therefore, don’t stand for anything. They're wrong. The key isn’t what protesters are for but rather what they’re against -- the gaping inequality that has poisoned our economy, our politics and our nation.
In America today, 400 people have more wealth than the bottom 150 million combined. That’s not because 150 million Americans are pathetically lazy or even unlucky. In fact, Americans have been working harder than ever -- productivity has risen in the last several decades. Big business profits and CEO bonuses have also gone up. Worker salaries, however, have declined.
Most of the Occupy Wall Street protesters aren’t opposed to free market capitalism. In fact, what they want is an end to the crony capitalist system now in place, that makes it easier for the rich and powerful to get even more rich and powerful while making it increasingly hard for the rest of us to get by. The protesters are not anti-American radicals. They are the defenders of the American Dream, the decision from the birth of our nation that success should be determined by hard work not royal bloodlines.
Sure, bank executives may work a lot harder than you and me or a mother of three doing checkout at a grocery store. Maybe the bankers work ten times harder. Maybe even a hundred times harder. But they’re compensated a thousand times more.
The question is not how Occupy Wall Street protesters can find that gross discrepancy immoral. The question is why every one of us isn’t protesting with them.
According to polls, most Americans support the 99% movement, even if they’re not taking to the streets. In fact, support for the Occupy Wall Street protests is not only higher than for either political party in Washington but greater than support for the Tea Party. And unlike the Tea Party which was fueled by national conservative donors and institutions, the Occupy Wall Street Movement is spreading organically from Idaho to Indiana. Institutions on the left, including unions, have been relatively late to the game.
Ironically, the original Boston Tea Party activists would likely support Occupy Wall Street more as well. Note that the original Tea Party didn’t protest taxes, merely the idea of taxation without representation -- and they were actually protesting the crown-backed monopoly of the East India Company, the main big business of the day.
Americans today also support taxes. In fact, two-thirds of voters -- including a majority of Republicans -- support increasing taxes on the rich, something the Occupy Wall Street protests implicitly support. That’s not just anarchist lefty kids. Soccer moms and construction workers and, yes, even some bankers want to see our economy work for the 99%, not just the 1%, and are flocking to Occupy protests in droves.
I’ve even met a number of Libertarians and Tea Party conservatives at these protests. So the critics are right, the Occupy Wall Street movement isn’t the Tea Party. Occupy Wall Street is much, much broader.
Maybe it’s hard to see your best interests reflected in a sometimes rag-tag, inarticulate, imperfect group of protesters. But make no mistake about it: While horrendous inequality is not an American tradition, protest is.And if you’re part of the 99% of underpaid or unemployed Americans crushed in the current economy, the Occupy Wall Street protests are your best chance at fixing the broken economy that is breaking your back.
Sally Kohn is the founder and Chief Education Officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a grassroots think tank for Marxist Revolution. Follow her on Twitter@sallykohn.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Karl Denninger was one of the founders of the Tea Party back just a few years ago when some concerned conservatives wanted to fire back at the government for what they said was unjust practices.
Today, similar sentiments are being echoed by the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Is it right to make comparisons between the two groups? Denninger says that, yes, to some degree the comparisons are indeed accurate. The Occupy movement, however, can learn from some of the mistakes that he says the Tea Party succumbed to.
“The problem with protests and the political process is that it is very easy, no matter how big the protests is, for the politicians to simply wait for the people to go home,” says Denninger. “Then they can ignore you.”
With the problems posing Americans as big as they are though, said Denninger, it makes sense that so many citizens are joining the movement. Denninger acknowledged that much of America has lost jobs and homes and seen the stock market crash twice in only a matter of years. “People are saying, ‘You know what? I know I’ve gotten screwed by all of this but I don’t know how I got screwed. I just know that it happened. And it all came from New York and Washington DC.”
With the Occupy movement as broad as it is, some critics say the chaos and lack of a solid plan will be the downfall of the movement. Denninger says, though, that that could actually give the group leverage. And as the movement spreads from coast-to-coast and now abroad, perhaps he is exactly right.
“One of the things that the Occupy movement seems to have going for it is it has not turned around and issued a set of formal demands,” said Denninger. “This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Everyone is looking for a set of demands.” Denninger added that once the protesters formally approach the banks and government with a list of demands, “then somebody is going to say, ‘Well, we gave you 70 percent. Now go home.’”
In the case of the Tea Party, Denninger says such organization was actually the group’s downfall. “One of the things we wanted was the end to bailouts and an end to government deficit spending, and as you can see that didn’t happen,” said Denninger, who today manages The Market Ticker.
Denninger added that demonstrators with Occupy Wall Street and the offshoots across the world shouldn’t just abandon their goals. “Stay on message, which is that the corruption is not a singular event,” he said. “You can’t focus in one place. You have to get the money out of politics, which is very difficult to do, but at the same time you can’t silence people’s voice.”
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Occupy Wall Street is about real Americans standing up for what they believe in!
No I'm not. I've never lied to you anywhere or at anytime. The slightest hint of a breeze containing the possibility of a personal slight towards you, and you go apeshit. I offer to meet you halfway by posting articles and vids showing partisanship that agreed with your political perspective. I asked you to do the same. You couldn't. You tried multiple excuses ("I don't have time", "I don't know where to get them", "Oh Jon Stewart is just a Liberal comedy show, so I don't accept your peace offering, even though you voluntarily posted something that agrees with my political conspiracies", "Oh you're so mean", etc., etc.) And after all of your tantrums, you still can't disprove that FOXEntertainment, Glen Beck, and all the hate-speech that they spew is anything but the most obviously biased lock-step Right propaganda ever crafted by a Corporate Committee.
So, yeah. Sorry but the rules of life say: You lose.
Wonder Boy content User rex's personal obsession 7500+ posts 10 minutes 6 seconds ago Making a new reply Forum: Politics and Current Events Thread: Re: Occupy Wall Street
More NYPD brutality...same as ever, thugs of the Corporate Establishment attacking unarmed American citizens for no apparent reason other than they can...
Karl Denninger was one of the founders of the Tea Party back just a few years ago when some concerned conservatives wanted to fire back at the government for what they said was unjust practices.
Today, similar sentiments are being echoed by the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Is it right to make comparisons between the two groups? Denninger says that, yes, to some degree the comparisons are indeed accurate. The Occupy movement, however, can learn from some of the mistakes that he says the Tea Party succumbed to.
“The problem with protests and the political process is that it is very easy, no matter how big the protests is, for the politicians to simply wait for the people to go home,” says Denninger. “Then they can ignore you.”
With the problems posing Americans as big as they are though, said Denninger, it makes sense that so many citizens are joining the movement. Denninger acknowledged that much of America has lost jobs and homes and seen the stock market crash twice in only a matter of years. “People are saying, ‘You know what? I know I’ve gotten screwed by all of this but I don’t know how I got screwed. I just know that it happened. And it all came from New York and Washington DC.”
With the Occupy movement as broad as it is, some critics say the chaos and lack of a solid plan will be the downfall of the movement. Denninger says, though, that that could actually give the group leverage. And as the movement spreads from coast-to-coast and now abroad, perhaps he is exactly right.
“One of the things that the Occupy movement seems to have going for it is it has not turned around and issued a set of formal demands,” said Denninger. “This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Everyone is looking for a set of demands.” Denninger added that once the protesters formally approach the banks and government with a list of demands, “then somebody is going to say, ‘Well, we gave you 70 percent. Now go home.’”
In the case of the Tea Party, Denninger says such organization was actually the group’s downfall. “One of the things we wanted was the end to bailouts and an end to government deficit spending, and as you can see that didn’t happen,” said Denninger, who today manages The Market Ticker.
Denninger added that demonstrators with Occupy Wall Street and the offshoots across the world shouldn’t just abandon their goals. “Stay on message, which is that the corruption is not a singular event,” he said. “You can’t focus in one place. You have to get the money out of politics, which is very difficult to do, but at the same time you can’t silence people’s voice.”
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Occupy Wall Street is about real Americans standing up for what they believe in!
Respond to what?
When you list a source, I might take it seriously. Another of your marxist blogs?
(the video is RT, which is as I pointed out last time, is a Russsian 100% state-owned network, that is anti-American and hard-left)
Just because one Tea Party member, or a handful, embrace the Occupy Wall Street movement, doesn't make it legitimate. They could be dupes, or be standing alongside self-avowed marxists because they think they can divert it toward their own Tea Party agenda.
That's what I get out of this Occupy Wall Street thing: mixed in with them are people across the spectrum, all pushing their own agenda. But the major thrust of it is marxist revolution, hard-left social-justice wealth-redistribution crap.
And I find it hard to believe anyone who takes seriously the clearly stated Tea Party tenets (smaller government, no more deficit spending, fiscal responsibility, a government that is not elitist and responds/legislates according to the will of the people) could serioussly endorse the welfare-state-minded Occupy Wall Street bunch.
The Tea Party was orderly and respectful, but firm. They advocated working within the system to advance democratic reform of the system, within the law. Thay even cleaned up their own trash!
The Wall Street protestors are disorderly and vulgar, and advocate violence and intimidation to get their way. Many in front of cameras openly talk of revolution, and militantly destroying capitalism, to create a new socialist order (a la Lenin). They have even put horror-movie-prop heads on sticks, figuratively and literally calling for something akin to the French Revolution.
One Tea Party supporter's interpretation doesn't change the thrust of the disturbing chaos at the center of this malformed Occupy Wall Street beast. It is the hell-spawn of Soros, SEIU, MoveOn, and William Ayers.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies. On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.
Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.
The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).
An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.
...What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.
...Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
You're a lying asshole, Pro.
No I'm not. I've never lied to you anywhere or at anytime. The slightest hint of a breeze containing the possibility of a personal slight towards you, and you go apeshit. I offer to meet you halfway by posting articles and vids showing partisanship that agreed with your political perspective. I asked you to do the same. You couldn't. You tried multiple excuses ("I don't have time", "I don't know where to get them", "Oh Jon Stewart is just a Liberal comedy show, so I don't accept your peace offering, even though you voluntarily posted something that agrees with my political conspiracies", "Oh you're so mean", etc., etc.) And after all of your tantrums, you still can't disprove that FOXEntertainment, Glen Beck, and all the hate-speech that they spew is anything but the most obviously biased lock-step Right propaganda ever crafted by a Corporate Committee.
So, yeah. Sorry but the rules of life say: You lose.
Saying "I never lied to you" doesn't change the fact that you lie and viciously distort/parody me (and any other conservative who disagrees with you) in every post.
The rest is your insanity. Your malicious infantile rants no longer warrant any serious response.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
I hope any who read this note: I posted an article from FOXentertainment that supported Occupy Wall Street AND I posted an article and video showing that the Tea Party Founder supports the movement.
I imagine Jesus Christ himself could come down and support the movement, and David would decide he's the "ANTI"-Christ, instead...
More NYPD brutality...same as ever, thugs of the Corporate Establishment attacking unarmed American citizens for no apparent reason other than they can...
You're trying to push my buttons, and it won't work anymore. Your formula is so overplayed and obvious. I'm not angry, I'm not upset or or whatever. You're just an idiot. A defiant spoiled child who just wants to mock anyone who disagrees with you. And you no longer merit an audience.
I'm the very last person here who took your antagonism seriously enough to respond. And I'm done.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
More NYPD brutality...same as ever, thugs of the Corporate Establishment attacking unarmed American citizens for no apparent reason other than they can...
At the start of the clip, the brave, heroic police officer gallantly apprehended the dirty, loathsome criminal who was posing a threat to the our benevolent Wall Street CEOs who employ millions upon millions of Americans.
[hijack]I have to question the reasoning behind you posting this clip, Pro. Are you having a bad day? What happened to the Pro who was a mellow dude? Where was your outrage when Bill Clinton ordered air strikes on Iraq in 1998?[/hijack]
Humor! 
His "tolerance" lasted all of a week. Maybe. 
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