Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: thedoctor
  • 1. Using the phrase 'weaponized tear gas' is like using the term 'edible apple pie'. It's used here as a way to try and escalate the feeling of oppression against those pure hearted, sinfree protestors. That is unless there's some domestic/commercial use for tear gas that I'm totally unaware of.


Which doesn't negate the weaponized use of it. Tear gas and weaponized tear gas are the exact same thing, and therefore the exact same crime/abuse of power.


Is it a crime/abuse of power simply to use it? Also, I haven't heard a single claim of NYPD using tear gas. Again, as I originally pointed out, it's an attempt to escalate the sense of victimization for the protestors.

 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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2. The picture is further proof that an armed public is a true defense against an oppressive state.


I'm going to take that as a joke, since it's not an actual point.


It is both.

 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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3. The guys with guns are sitting in a park somewhere. The guys without guns are in the middle of a city street. Without context, I can assume that the guys in the park are just chilling while the guys in the street are being disruptive and hostile.


Says who? You? The "people" you "discussed" this with? The facts, no matter how anyone tried to "perceive" it, are still the exact same before "excused": UNARMED America citizens, protesting peacefully versus a group of gun-toting, hateful thugs who base their hostility on partisan politics. The injustice still remains, no matter how you try and slice it to make your preferred "side" look "better".

Or, we could be totally fair, and recognize both parties to be of the same temperament and morality. If that's the case, then the biased "justice" is still against The Occupy movement, as no one has beaten unarmed Tea Party protestors. However, not even taking the Police abuse into account, I can already remember an event where a Tea Party mob beat a woman up for protesting against their politics. But, hey, we'll just leave that out of the consideration for now. Just to be fair and give the apologists a fighting chance to try and denounce The Occupy movement in some brand new fictional fashion of grasping at straws.

Total bias against Occupy. It's all there, as a fact. Not an opinion.


I've never said that the OWS people are in the wrong for what they're doing. I just question the messenger and the message of this picture. There is bias in it as well. For the OWS protestors. Against the Tea Party. Against the NYPD and government as a whole. There are peaceful protestors there. There are also unpeaceful protestors who've attacked police. And, yes, I'll admit that police have attacked beyond reasonable force many protestors. Tempers are flaring on both sides. Neither is saintly.

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But as Pro pointed out with his humor, this is strictly a biased photoshop


The only "photoshop" in this pic is the joining of two images together and adding words. Kind of like "weaponized tear gas", right?

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by someone pushing their own agenda and not allowing the context of either photograph be known.


Yeah, because the context isn't readily available from the very fact of its existence, is it? It's not like they showed both sides in "fairy tale warmth and innocence" nor did they show the Tea Party with their normal racist signs and the Occupy hippies praying, or something. They showed a picture from a Tea Party Rally and a picture from The Occupy Protest. Nothing is in dispute about either...


\:lol\: Yes, Pro. Tea Partiers all carry around racist signs all the time. \:lol\: This is a Wonder Boy level response from you.

You can't tell me that the guy being carried away by the police in the photo is being oppressed. I can't tell you that he committed an illegal act that perpetrated him being carried away by officers for a 100% legitimate arrest. Nor can you say with any certainty that no one was arrested at the Tea Party rally or that there were no cops there at all. Both photos lack their true context. The maker of the combined pic creates his own. It's called 'propaganda'. Neither of us knows the truth about it, so stop pretending you do.

whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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