Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The protestor, Veteran of the Iraq war and Marine Scott Olsen, was standing still when shot, unprovoked, in the head with a teargas canister. He is currently in the hospital in a coma, and has a very real chance of dying from his injuries. This man made it safely thorough a war, to be struck down by a fellow American. I hope all those that stand against The Global Occupy Movement are proud of yourselves, and of your law enforcement. This makes me sick, and so does anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior by the Police. There's no other way to spin it. It is exactly what it is.
Oh, and I dare anyone to scream "Olbermann!" I could give a shit who's on the screen. The facts are still facts.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: The Shills
DIRTY HIPPIES!! How dare they worry about their homes and families! Don't they know these corporations are JOB CREATORS!!
More Police beatings in New York caught on video. One of about a billion examples of the lawlessness of Corporate Police Thugs attacking unarmed American citizens. All to the cheers of the Corporate Elite and their public sheep, I'm sure. Fuck them all.
a group decided that they had a right to camp out there, which they don't.
Yes they do, if they are protesting. Same arguments were attempted to be made to fight against the Civil Right Movement, as well. It's nonsense then, and it's nonsense now.
No, they don't. They have a right to assemble and free speech. They do not have a right to sit down and live wherever the fuck they want to for free. I don't remember that being an argument against the Civil Rights Movement. Keep manufacturing your own history.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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Some of that group decided to respond with violence. Two officers were injured by their actions.
I'd be interested in seeing the reports of these "injured" officers. I'd like to see what Military-grade projectile got through their riot gear and bullet-proof vests.
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The police had reason to respond with tear gas.
No they didn't.
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Some may have gone over the line or acted without thinking of the repercussions to civilians. Those men should be reprimanded.
A vet's in a coma for standing still. These officers should be brought up on criminal charges and discharged from the Police force. Period. Anything less is condoning their actions.
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But neither side is without blame in this.
No one said either side is lily-white. But, this was a gross overreaction by local government towards civil protests by American citizens. Spinning it however you wish doesn't change the facts of this.
I'm not so sure you understand the facts of this. This seems like your conclusions in the 9/11 Conspiracy thread where you had made up your mind based on incorrect information and half truths. You're walling yourself off and condemning anyone with a different opinion as following some other sort of group-think when you're just as guilty of it.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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Occupy protestors in Atlanta and Little Rock were able to go without injuries, violence, or tear gas in similar situations.
Then I congratulate their Police Force for recognizing American's rights to protest. It's sad when we have to show special honor to the Government Officials and Officers that actually obey the Law they supposedly enforce.
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That's some weaponized truth for ya.
No, that's some weaponized "spin" for me. Thanks for falling into the "Yeah, but..." category.
Atlanta and Little Rock protestors didn't respond with violence. When they were removed from their camp grounds, they protested and were even arrested; but none of them reacted by attacking the police. Peaceful protest from respectful citizenry is welcomed and even encouraged. Protestors who feel entitled to whatever they want and respond with violence aren't.
I'll help you out. This is the part where you say something about the Tea Party being racists and blah, blah, blah.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
This is the part where you say something about the Tea Party being racists and blah, blah, blah.
Your opinion is noted. We won't agree. I'm for freedom from corporate tyranny and loss of civil rights for American citizens. You're sitting there making excuses for the violence Government Officials unleashed upon their own people. I'm saying unless those protestors carried semi-automatics and were opening fire on a crowd of civilians, the Police brutally overreacted to a criminal degree.
What are you for, Doc? You have no issue stating when you're against someone else's opinion or stance on a subject. Like Phil, though, I rarely see you champion anything. You seem to just sit around and judge subjects and discussions, rather than submit your own causes. So, what are you for? Strict civil obedience? Corporate dominance allowed under the illusion of "Free Market"? What, exactly?
Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, under attack from inside and outside her administration, announced late Wednesday that Occupy Oakland can return to the plaza in front of City Hall, an abrupt reversal that followed a night of street violence Tuesday and widespread criticism over her handling of the crisis.
As more than 1,000 people descended on Frank H. Ogawa Plaza Wednesday night, Quan called for "a minimum police presence" and said nonviolent protesters would be allowed to re-occupy the area near City Hall. One day earlier, with Quan's authorization, 400 police officers had dismantled the tent city.
Quan has been facing a growing firestorm over what some describe as a tentative, out-of-touch approach to the crisis. Earlier, Quan admitted that she had not known that police were planning to evict the protesters early Tuesday morning, saying only that she had signed off on the plan.
Dan Siegel, the mayor's longtime friend and legal adviser, said he was considering resigning over the raid. He added that city officials were divided over how to handle Occupy Oakland.
“I think a big mistake was made yesterday. A big mistake,” Siegel said during an appearance on the plaza. “I have made that clear to the mayor.”
Quan's Facebook page was filled with calls for her resignation Wednesday. After protesters distributed her cell phone number, her voicemail inbox was full. An online petition condemning Quan and City Council members for authorizing the raid has collected 1,500 signatures.
The announcements Wednesday were designed to placate the protesters, but Occupy Oakland also appeared to be dictating events. The city initially re-opened only a concrete portion of the plaza in front of City Hall, encircling the lawn where protesters had camped with a 6-foot chainlink fence. But protesters calmly removed the fence in the early evening, and some protesters began to lay down sleeping bags and drive tent stakes into the grass.
Later, Quan said Occupy Oakland would be allowed to stay on the lawn, which the city administrator previously described as a "biohazard," as long as the occupation was peaceful. Quan said she planned to "open up channels of communication" with th protesters.
"I’m a mayor of a city that has divided opinions on some things," Quan said. "I think most support the Occupy Wall Street movement. I know you guys don’t like that I look at things day by day, situation by situation. We’re going to do what keeps most people safe."
City finance officials now expect the costs of the eviction, cleanup and response to the protests to surpass $1 million, with at least half going to police overtime, according to sources familiar with the projections.
“Wall Street’s not going broke, but the city of Oakland will,” one finance official said. “We’re spending money on resources we definitely don’t have.”
Here's a way to stop going broke, genius: Don't fuck with American citizens protesting under the Rights of the Constitution! Simple as that.
This is the part where you say something about the Tea Party being racists and blah, blah, blah.
Your opinion is noted. We won't agree. I'm for freedom from corporate tyranny and loss of civil rights for American citizens. You're sitting there making excuses for the violence Government Officials unleashed upon their own people. I'm saying unless those protestors carried semi-automatics and were opening fire on a crowd of civilians, the Police brutally overreacted to a criminal degree.
What are you for, Doc? You have no issue stating when you're against someone else's opinion or stance on a subject. Like Phil, though, I rarely see you champion anything. You seem to just sit around and judge subjects and discussions, rather than submit your own causes. So, what are you for? Strict civil obedience? Corporate dominance allowed under the illusion of "Free Market"? What, exactly?
Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
Seriously, I believe that the truth is always somewhere in the middle. It's good to have aspirations, but you should never be disappointed when they aren't 100% realized. No true 'ism' will work. History has proven that. 100% Free Market economy without any government oversight gets us back to children working in sweat shops and coal miners being paid in company scripts with an unending revolving debt. 100% socialist or communist state that benefits everyone equally is unobtainable. Greed is a common human emotion as well as a driving force for progress. I'm amazed when people act surprised or offended when they find out someone did something to make more money for themselves.
I believe that a person should have the chance to chase their dreams, but they should also have to deal with the consequences and show some common damn sense. You throw a bottle or rock at a cop because you're in a large group of like-minded people and your ideals will be your shield. Guess what. Your ideals aren't a shield. That large shield the cop has is a shield. And that black, slender thing in his hand is a billy club. You're stupid enough to fuck with a cop, then you've earned the ass beating you're about to receive. I don't condone what the cop is going to do, but I'm smart enough to guess that he'll probably do it. The polices' reactions are pretty much predictable. The protesters are just ignoring the obvious.
I guess my biggest problem with the Occupy movement isn't their wanting the government to change how Wall Street does business as much as it is the ignorance and selfishness many of them are displaying. They want local businesses to give them shit for free. They want their student loans forgiven (forget about the fact that it won't solve any problems, they're just pushing off the responsibilities to other people). They want to live in the parks because they think it's their right. It's not. They don't have a right to that. They, as a matter of fact, are too damn stupid to know the difference between a right and their desires.
Most of all, these kids are going to bitch and complain about the system being against them and letting them down. Come November, a third, at the most, are actually going to go out and vote. The rest are going to bitch the rest of their lives and tell anyone who'll listen to them how they stood up to 'the man' when they didn't do shit but take up space and shit in a park. Change takes time, patience, and commitment. It'll take years to change the system, but they actually have to participate in the system first. And they have to keep participating. That's how the Tea Party got the Republican party by the balls. Those old people that the left are laughing at and calling hicks actually voted and changed shit instead of just demonstrating. It'll take years, but change can come. The Occupy Movement isn't going to change anything because, as much lip service as the Dems may give it (cuz God knows they've been looking for a chance to reclaim the grass-roots baton), those fat cats on Wall Street still have the money and the influence. Until these guys show up at the polls in force and consistently, nothing is ever going to change.
You want to know what I'm passionate about? I fucking hate the CGI effects on the classic Who and Star Trek DVD's. Give me motherfucking plastic space ships dangling on a goddamn string. Cuz that's how they rolled back then, bitches. I don't want you to waste money on making the fucking Gorn blink either, assholes.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: WB
...Pro flinging his own poo...
That about covers it. As usual, yours are the angry self-righteous rantings of a liberal jerk who can't back up his arguments. So you resort to the most vicious and personal slanders instead.
JLA, the American military system...mainly the Army & Marines...is setup to accommodate those with little will of their own. These are people who needed to be given instructions in life, because they lack the natural discipline to function as successful, normal adults in the real world.
Transgenders, homosexuals...these are people who have had to take a very deep look at their life and come to grips with who they are, and not necessarily what society wants them to be. Thus, they already come prepared with a strong foundation of willpower and self-awareness.
People like that are that much harder to brainwash or temper with propaganda. The military does not like people like this because if they're thinking with their own mind, and not allowing others to control them, then such people aren't as easily controlled as the rest of the slack-jawed yokels or insecure emo kids. They might actually question why they're killing innocent civilians, and bombing hospitals. People like transgenders and homosexuals, who are aware of who they are, have a far more profound perspective on life and the sanctity therein. They're far less likely to club a baby than, say, try and find a solution for peace. The Army cannot use people with their own courage and will. They need sheep to mold into Pavlovian psychopaths that will assassinate their own people without question.
Your contempt for our military is quite clear --except when they are an exploitable political football, as this guy in the Oakland protests is.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
OAKLAND, Calif. — The Iraq War veteran injured during a clash between police and anti-Wall Street protesters this week wasn't taking part in the demonstrations out of economic need.
The 24-year-old Scott Olsen makes a good living as a network engineer and has a nice apartment overlooking San Francisco Bay. And yet, his friends say, he felt so strongly about economic inequality in the United States that he fought for overseas that he slept at a protest camp after work.
"He felt you shouldn't wait until something is affecting you to get out and do something about it," said friend and roommate Keith Shannon, who served with Olsen in Iraq.
It was that feeling that drew him to Oakland on Tuesday night, when the clashes broke out and Olsen's skull was fractured. Fellow veterans said Olsen was struck in the head by a projectile fired by police, although the exact object and who might have been responsible for the injury have not been definitively established.
Rallying cry Now, even as officials investigate exactly where the projectile came from, Olsen has become a rallying cry for the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators across the nation, with Twitter users and protest websites declaring, "We are all Scott Olsen."
In Las Vegas, a few dozen protesters held a vigil for him. A handful of police officers attended, and protesters invited them back for a potluck dinner Thursday night.
"We renewed our vow of nonviolence," organizer Sebring Frehner said.
Another round of vigils were organized for Thursday night, including one in Oakland.
Oakland organizers said they would stage a general strike over what a spokeswoman called the "brutal and vicious" treatment of protesters, including the former Marine.
Elsewhere across the United States, officials took steps to close some of the protest camps that have sprung up in opposition to growing economic inequality.
In Nashville, Tenn., officials imposed a curfew, saying conditions at a camp at the state Capitol were worsening. In Providence, R.I., officials told protesters they were violating multiple city laws by camping overnight at a park.
The group Iraq Veterans Against the War blamed police for Olsen's injury. Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan said officials will investigate whether officers used excessive force. He did not return calls seeking comment Thursday.
Police have said they responded with tear gas and bean bag rounds only when protesters began throwing bottles and other items at them.
Story: Oakland protesters hold late-night march after vet injured Dramatic improvement Olsen's condition improved Thursday, with doctors transferring him from the emergency room to an intensive care unit and upgrading his condition to fair.
Dr. Alden Harken, chief surgeon at Alameda County Medical Center, said Olsen was still unable to speak but had improved dramatically since he was hospitalized unconscious with a fractured skull and bruised brain that caused seizures.
By Thursday afternoon, Harken said, Olsen was interacting with his parents, who flew in from Wisconsin in the morning, doing math equations and otherwise showing signs of "high-level cognitive functioning." The doctor said he may require surgery, but that's unlikely.
"He's got a relatively small area of injury and he's got his youth going for him. So both of those are very favorable," Harken said.
Olsen smiled when Mayor Jean Quan stopped by to visit and expressed surprise at all the attention his injury has generated, hospital spokesman Vintage Foster said. The mayor apologized and promised an investigation, according to Foster.
His uncle in Wisconsin told The Associated Press that Olsen's mother was trying to understand what had happened.
"This is obviously a heartbreaker to her," George Nygaard said. "I don't think she understands why he was doing this."
'Like a war zone' On Tuesday night, Olsen had planned to be at the San Francisco protest, but he changed course after his veterans' group decided to support protesters in Oakland after police cleared an encampment outside City Hall.
"I think it was a last-minute thing," Shannon said.
Joshua Shepherd, 27, a Navy veteran who was standing nearby when Olsen got struck, said he didn't know what hit him. "It was like a war zone," he said.
A video posted on YouTube showed Olsen being carried by other protesters through the tear gas, his face bloodied. People shout at him: "What's your name? What's your name?" Olsen just stares back.
Shepherd said it's a cruel irony that Olsen is fighting an injury in the country that he fought to protect.
Scott Olsen is a dirty, unemployed hippie who hates America so much that he served in Iraq...uh...
OAKLAND, Calif. — The Iraq War veteran injured during a clash between police and anti-Wall Street protesters this week wasn't taking part in the demonstrations out of economic need.
The 24-year-old Scott Olsen makes a good living as a network engineer and has a nice apartment overlooking San Francisco Bay. And yet, his friends say, he felt so strongly about economic inequality in the United States that he fought for overseas that he slept at a protest camp after work.
"He felt you shouldn't wait until something is affecting you to get out and do something about it," said friend and roommate Keith Shannon, who served with Olsen in Iraq.
It was that feeling that drew him to Oakland on Tuesday night, when the clashes broke out and Olsen's skull was fractured. Fellow veterans said Olsen was struck in the head by a projectile fired by police, although the exact object and who might have been responsible for the injury have not been definitively established.
Rallying cry Now, even as officials investigate exactly where the projectile came from, Olsen has become a rallying cry for the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators across the nation, with Twitter users and protest websites declaring, "We are all Scott Olsen."
In Las Vegas, a few dozen protesters held a vigil for him. A handful of police officers attended, and protesters invited them back for a potluck dinner Thursday night.
"We renewed our vow of nonviolence," organizer Sebring Frehner said.
Another round of vigils were organized for Thursday night, including one in Oakland.
Oakland organizers said they would stage a general strike over what a spokeswoman called the "brutal and vicious" treatment of protesters, including the former Marine.
Elsewhere across the United States, officials took steps to close some of the protest camps that have sprung up in opposition to growing economic inequality.
In Nashville, Tenn., officials imposed a curfew, saying conditions at a camp at the state Capitol were worsening. In Providence, R.I., officials told protesters they were violating multiple city laws by camping overnight at a park.
The group Iraq Veterans Against the War blamed police for Olsen's injury. Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan said officials will investigate whether officers used excessive force. He did not return calls seeking comment Thursday.
Police have said they responded with tear gas and bean bag rounds only when protesters began throwing bottles and other items at them.
Story: Oakland protesters hold late-night march after vet injured Dramatic improvement Olsen's condition improved Thursday, with doctors transferring him from the emergency room to an intensive care unit and upgrading his condition to fair.
Dr. Alden Harken, chief surgeon at Alameda County Medical Center, said Olsen was still unable to speak but had improved dramatically since he was hospitalized unconscious with a fractured skull and bruised brain that caused seizures.
By Thursday afternoon, Harken said, Olsen was interacting with his parents, who flew in from Wisconsin in the morning, doing math equations and otherwise showing signs of "high-level cognitive functioning." The doctor said he may require surgery, but that's unlikely.
"He's got a relatively small area of injury and he's got his youth going for him. So both of those are very favorable," Harken said.
Olsen smiled when Mayor Jean Quan stopped by to visit and expressed surprise at all the attention his injury has generated, hospital spokesman Vintage Foster said. The mayor apologized and promised an investigation, according to Foster.
His uncle in Wisconsin told The Associated Press that Olsen's mother was trying to understand what had happened.
"This is obviously a heartbreaker to her," George Nygaard said. "I don't think she understands why he was doing this."
'Like a war zone' On Tuesday night, Olsen had planned to be at the San Francisco protest, but he changed course after his veterans' group decided to support protesters in Oakland after police cleared an encampment outside City Hall.
"I think it was a last-minute thing," Shannon said.
Joshua Shepherd, 27, a Navy veteran who was standing nearby when Olsen got struck, said he didn't know what hit him. "It was like a war zone," he said.
A video posted on YouTube showed Olsen being carried by other protesters through the tear gas, his face bloodied. People shout at him: "What's your name? What's your name?" Olsen just stares back.
Shepherd said it's a cruel irony that Olsen is fighting an injury in the country that he fought to protect.
Scott Olsen is a dirty, unemployed hippie who hates America so much that he served in Iraq...uh...
Sincerely,
The Right-Wing SuperTards
Totally. They're only to be respected as American heroes when it serves The Right...
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The protestor, Veteran of the Iraq war and Marine Scott Olsen, was standing still when shot, unprovoked, in the head with a teargas canister. He is currently in the hospital in a coma, and has a very real chance of dying from his injuries. This man made it safely thorough a war, to be struck down by a fellow American. I hope all those that stand against The Global Occupy Movement are proud of yourselves, and of your law enforcement. This makes me sick, and so does anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior by the Police. There's no other way to spin it. It is exactly what it is.
Oh, and I dare anyone to scream "Olbermann!" I could give a shit who's on the screen. The facts are still facts.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: The Shills
DIRTY HIPPIES!! How dare they worry about their homes and families! Don't they know these corporations are JOB CREATORS!!
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Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: WB
...Pro flinging his own poo...
That about covers it. As usual, yours are the angry self-righteous rantings of a liberal jerk who can't back up his arguments. So you resort to the most vicious and personal slanders instead.
JLA, the American military system...mainly the Army & Marines...is setup to accommodate those with little will of their own. These are people who needed to be given instructions in life, because they lack the natural discipline to function as successful, normal adults in the real world.
Transgenders, homosexuals...these are people who have had to take a very deep look at their life and come to grips with who they are, and not necessarily what society wants them to be. Thus, they already come prepared with a strong foundation of willpower and self-awareness.
People like that are that much harder to brainwash or temper with propaganda. The military does not like people like this because if they're thinking with their own mind, and not allowing others to control them, then such people aren't as easily controlled as the rest of the slack-jawed yokels or insecure emo kids. They might actually question why they're killing innocent civilians, and bombing hospitals. People like transgenders and homosexuals, who are aware of who they are, have a far more profound perspective on life and the sanctity therein. They're far less likely to club a baby than, say, try and find a solution for peace. The Army cannot use people with their own courage and will. They need sheep to mold into Pavlovian psychopaths that will assassinate their own people without question.
Your contempt for our military is quite clear --except when they are an exploitable political football, as this guy in the Oakland protests is.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The protestor, Veteran of the Iraq war and Marine Scott Olsen, was standing still when shot, unprovoked, in the head with a teargas canister. He is currently in the hospital in a coma, and has a very real chance of dying from his injuries. This man made it safely thorough a war, to be struck down by a fellow American. I hope all those that stand against The Global Occupy Movement are proud of yourselves, and of your law enforcement. This makes me sick, and so does anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior by the Police. There's no other way to spin it. It is exactly what it is.
Oh, and I dare anyone to scream "Olbermann!" I could give a shit who's on the screen. The facts are still facts.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: The Shills
DIRTY HIPPIES!! How dare they worry about their homes and families! Don't they know these corporations are JOB CREATORS!!
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: WB
...Pro flinging his own poo...
That about covers it. As usual, yours are the angry self-righteous rantings of a liberal jerk who can't back up his arguments. So you resort to the most vicious and personal slanders instead.
JLA, the American military system...mainly the Army & Marines...is setup to accommodate those with little will of their own. These are people who needed to be given instructions in life, because they lack the natural discipline to function as successful, normal adults in the real world.
Transgenders, homosexuals...these are people who have had to take a very deep look at their life and come to grips with who they are, and not necessarily what society wants them to be. Thus, they already come prepared with a strong foundation of willpower and self-awareness.
People like that are that much harder to brainwash or temper with propaganda. The military does not like people like this because if they're thinking with their own mind, and not allowing others to control them, then such people aren't as easily controlled as the rest of the slack-jawed yokels or insecure emo kids. They might actually question why they're killing innocent civilians, and bombing hospitals. People like transgenders and homosexuals, who are aware of who they are, have a far more profound perspective on life and the sanctity therein. They're far less likely to club a baby than, say, try and find a solution for peace. The Army cannot use people with their own courage and will. They need sheep to mold into Pavlovian psychopaths that will assassinate their own people without question.
Your contempt for our military is quite clear --except when they are an exploitable political football, as this guy in the Oakland protests is.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The protestor, Veteran of the Iraq war and Marine Scott Olsen, was standing still when shot, unprovoked, in the head with a teargas canister. He is currently in the hospital in a coma, and has a very real chance of dying from his injuries. This man made it safely thorough a war, to be struck down by a fellow American. I hope all those that stand against The Global Occupy Movement are proud of yourselves, and of your law enforcement. This makes me sick, and so does anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior by the Police. There's no other way to spin it. It is exactly what it is.
Oh, and I dare anyone to scream "Olbermann!" I could give a shit who's on the screen. The facts are still facts.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: The Shills
DIRTY HIPPIES!! How dare they worry about their homes and families! Don't they know these corporations are JOB CREATORS!!
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: WB
...Pro flinging his own poo...
That about covers it. As usual, yours are the angry self-righteous rantings of a liberal jerk who can't back up his arguments. So you resort to the most vicious and personal slanders instead.
JLA, the American military system...mainly the Army & Marines...is setup to accommodate those with little will of their own. These are people who needed to be given instructions in life, because they lack the natural discipline to function as successful, normal adults in the real world.
Transgenders, homosexuals...these are people who have had to take a very deep look at their life and come to grips with who they are, and not necessarily what society wants them to be. Thus, they already come prepared with a strong foundation of willpower and self-awareness.
People like that are that much harder to brainwash or temper with propaganda. The military does not like people like this because if they're thinking with their own mind, and not allowing others to control them, then such people aren't as easily controlled as the rest of the slack-jawed yokels or insecure emo kids. They might actually question why they're killing innocent civilians, and bombing hospitals. People like transgenders and homosexuals, who are aware of who they are, have a far more profound perspective on life and the sanctity therein. They're far less likely to club a baby than, say, try and find a solution for peace. The Army cannot use people with their own courage and will. They need sheep to mold into Pavlovian psychopaths that will assassinate their own people without question.
Your contempt for our military is quite clear --except when they are an exploitable political football, as this guy in the Oakland protests is.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
The occupy eugene hobo camp has been moved three times, not its in the UO campus. One of the most hippie and protest friendly cities in the world won't stand up for "the cause". I can't wait for the whole thing to crumble.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
I know that excited you, I'll give you a few seconds to clean the fresh jizz off your computer screen.
Okay.
I love how he cites no sources to back up what he says, and both the audience and Morgan just accept everything he says as absolute truth, with no scrutiny or counter-point.
I'm sure they'd give the same favorable treatment to someone voicing the counter-perspective.
Many conservatives such as Pat Buchanan, Peter Schiff, and Timothy Carney, in books I've listed prior, have detailed the partly same but wider view of the problem: that corporations and campaign finance and free trade have combined to move jobs and factories out of the United States, and caused the U.S. to have huge trade deficits, millions of lost jobs, and a dangerous dependency on foreign suppliers.
The Occupy Wall Street crowd only sees the corporations, and not the rest of the equation. With a decidedly socialist riff, Moore makes a few perspectives I can partly agree with, but so mired in his own twisted notions that is impossible to distill the facts from the other crud he rants.
And I love the way Morgan just hangs on every word Moore says, as if it were written on tablets of stone and carried down from Mount Sinai.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Just in case anyone doesn't know what David's championing here, let me show you.
He wants workers all over the world to stop complaining and allow Corporations to do what they want. As evidenced by the Occupy Australia crew. He also wants any American who has any type of civil or social complaint against his country to be killed or locked-up for being "Liberal Scum". Even American Soldiers and Veterans. He doesn't respect their Rights unless they're killing people of a different skin color. Then, they're "heroes". Now, keep in mind, if the "Tea Party" wants to protest, that's okay though. They should be allowed to protest and make racial death threats against our President. THAT'S the world David the Wonder BOY wants. Anyone who agrees, jump on board with him...
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The protestor, Veteran of the Iraq war and Marine Scott Olsen, was standing still when shot, unprovoked, in the head with a teargas canister. He is currently in the hospital in a coma, and has a very real chance of dying from his injuries. This man made it safely thorough a war, to be struck down by a fellow American. I hope all those that stand against The Global Occupy Movement are proud of yourselves, and of your law enforcement. This makes me sick, and so does anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior by the Police. There's no other way to spin it. It is exactly what it is.
Oh, and I dare anyone to scream "Olbermann!" I could give a shit who's on the screen. The facts are still facts.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: The Shills
DIRTY HIPPIES!! How dare they worry about their homes and families! Don't they know these corporations are JOB CREATORS!!
1000+ cities globally protesting. Hundreds of thousands of protesters, worldwide. Kind of like waiting for The South to 'rise again', you've got awhile Brian...
Sgt. Shamar Thomas encourages veterans to join ‘Occupy’ movement By David Ferguson Friday, October 28, 2011
Topics: keith olbermann ♦ new york police ♦ york police department
Sgt. Shamar Thomas, the U.S. Marine who confronted New York City police in a now-famous video from the “Occupy Wall Street” protests, appeared on Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown” to discuss acts of police brutality against “Occupy” protesters, including Marine Scott Olsen, whose skull was fractured by police in Oakland. Thomas rallied veterans to march together Thursday in a show of solidarity with Olsen and to protect protesters from acts of violence by the New York Police Department.
Keith asks Thomas about right wing allegations that the veterans at rallies are fakes, civilians dressed up in gear they got at surplus stores. “My whole family has served,” says Thomas, “I have served. I don’t lie about my service.”
Sgt. Shamar Thomas encourages veterans to join ‘Occupy’ movement By David Ferguson Friday, October 28, 2011
Topics: keith olbermann ♦ new york police ♦ york police department
Sgt. Shamar Thomas, the U.S. Marine who confronted New York City police in a now-famous video from the “Occupy Wall Street” protests, appeared on Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown” to discuss acts of police brutality against “Occupy” protesters, including Marine Scott Olsen, whose skull was fractured by police in Oakland. Thomas rallied veterans to march together Thursday in a show of solidarity with Olsen and to protect protesters from acts of violence by the New York Police Department.
Keith asks Thomas about right wing allegations that the veterans at rallies are fakes, civilians dressed up in gear they got at surplus stores. “My whole family has served,” says Thomas, “I have served. I don’t lie about my service.”
They're not real Americans!! Real Americans do what they're TOLD by the media and whatever Party Affiliation they are assigned to serve! Dirty Liberal Socialist Hippies!
The protestor, Veteran of the Iraq war and Marine Scott Olsen, was standing still when shot, unprovoked, in the head with a teargas canister. He is currently in the hospital in a coma, and has a very real chance of dying from his injuries. This man made it safely thorough a war, to be struck down by a fellow American. I hope all those that stand against The Global Occupy Movement are proud of yourselves, and of your law enforcement. This makes me sick, and so does anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior by the Police. There's no other way to spin it. It is exactly what it is.
Oh, and I dare anyone to scream "Olbermann!" I could give a shit who's on the screen. The facts are still facts.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: The Shills
DIRTY HIPPIES!! How dare they worry about their homes and families! Don't they know these corporations are JOB CREATORS!!
I'm just so glad to see this going on. The Wall Street stuff was never taken care of after 2008 except for some extremely weak reform that barely got passed. Even that feeble attempt is being targeted by the GOP. As for my party, they started talking about making cuts into Social Security and other programs. These protests won't be enough but I hope our elected officials know this is just the beginning.
This is the playbook that William Ayers, Code Pink, SEIU, ACORN, and all the other leftist agitator groups are rooted in.
And are spreading to Europe, the Middle East, latin America, and anywhere else they can. It's not about empowering people, it's about a leftist power-grab.
Obama's administration is marinated in this particular book's ideology and tactics: Catherine Sebelius, Van Jones (now working outside the white house), Ron Bloom, Mark Lloyd...
Obama used to teach its principles in a classroom to street activists.
Hillary Clinton wrote her masters thesis on Saul Alinsky.
but seriously though there's a healthy dose of slacktivism on both sides of this one. I might think the people camping out at the protest are damn dirty hippies™, but I respect them at least a little more for having physically done something to show they believe in what they're saying (whether it makes any damn sense or not is immaterial).
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Even anarchic movements like to have some legal protections: Occupy Wall Street's organizers have applied to trademark their movement's name.
In an application dated October 24, the unincorporated association "Occupy Wall Street" applied for the trademark to "Occupy Wall Street." The trademark application says the group would like to use the phrase on merchandise such as clothing and bags, in periodicals and newsletters, and on a website featuring "photographic, audio, video and prose presentations" about the Occupy movement.
The Occupy group has been screen-printing t-shirts and other items in Zuccotti Park, and plans to continue doing so once it has trademark protection, according to a representative.
But Occupy Wall Street is not the only entity to apply for the trademark to its name.
In an application with the same filing date, Arizona-based Fer-Eng Investments, LLC, applied for the same trademark. Fer-Eng's trademark would cover many of the same kinds of clothing ("t-shirts, sweatshirts, headwear, and jackets") and bags (backpacks, gym bags, overnight bags and "bum bags" all make the list) as would Occupy Wall Street's, but would not cover periodicals or newsletters.
Vince Ferraro of Fer-Eng Investments said he applied for the trademark as a business proposition and is not in any way affiliated with Occupy Wall Street. Information, including domain names and trademarks, "is the chattel of the 21st century," he said.
But Occupy Wall Street's lawyer said he doesn't think Ferraro will get the trademark.
"We're confident that Occupy Wall Street will be awarded the trademark simply because they are the first and the ones using their mark," said Samuel Cohen of the Law Offices of Wylie M. Stecklow, one of the attorneys handling Occupy Wall Street's application.
According to the trademark office, priority is generally given to whomever applied for the trademark first. In this case, Occupy Wall Street applied for its trademark at 3:54 p.m. and Fer-Eng Investments applied for the trademark at 6:41 p.m. the same day.
In the case of two applications filed the same day, the trademark office says the application with the lowest serial number -- meaning it was filed first -- earns the trademark, according to Steven Berk, senior supervisory attorney with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. That would give Occupy Wall Street preference: Its serial number is 281 numbers lower than Fer-Eng's.
There is also a pending trademark application for a variation on the name of the movement: "Occupy Wall St."
Robert and Diane Maresca applied for that trademark after Robert had spent several days at the protest in Zuccotti Park making t-shirts for free with a permanent marker.
"I made about 20 on the second day, and then it went up to 80 by the fifth day. And then I realized it's not very healthy to smell the fumes, so then I decided that I should get in touch with a silk-screener," Robert Maresca said.
The minimum order was 200 shirts and the couple was concerned that they might be sued if someone else obtained the trademark, so they applied for it. Robert has said he would sell it to the Occupy Wall Street group for $1 after his costs are covered.
There's also a wave of trademark applications for slogans related to the movement. Applications have been filed for the trademarks to "We are the 99%," "I am the 99%" and "Occupy D.C. 2012," among other phrases.
Merchandise with those and similar slogans is on sale all over the Internet. Self-described "entre-protester" Ray Agrizone sells t-shirts, hats and stickers emblazoned with "Occupy Wall Street" and some of the movement's mantras on his website, TheOccupyStore.com.
Agrizone says he is not concerned about a potential lawsuit because he is using his sales to give money to the cause. He says 10% of his proceeds go to Occupy Wall Street.
"The main thing I have with this website is a tool to give a voice to the movement," Agrizone said. "I'm not too worried about cease-and-desist letters down the line."
There are pages of t-shirts, posters and pins in support of the movement on Amazon (AMZN, Fortune 500), and a search of "Occupy Wall Street" on eBay (EBAY, Fortune 500) yields roughly 5,000 results.
Amid of one of the biggest activist uprisings in the U.S. in a generation, it didn't take long for people to want to own pieces of it.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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