the G-man sleepy Moderator Lawyers Guns & Money 15000+ posts 2 minutes 47 seconds ago Reading a post Forum: Politics and Current Events Thread: Occupy Wall Street
It's okay. Catch your breath, old timer. I'll still be here....
Wonder Boy content User mighty weilder of the Penis of Truth 7500+ posts 37 minutes 6 seconds ago Reading a post Forum: Politics and Current Events Thread: Occupy Wall Street
I'm going to assume he didn't leave the page when he left his PC...
the G-man sleepy Moderator Lawyers Guns & Money 15000+ posts 2 minutes 47 seconds ago Reading a post Forum: Politics and Current Events Thread: Occupy Wall Street
It's okay. Catch your breath, old timer. I'll still be here....
Actually, scratch that. I'm going to go play Skyrim for awhile. I'll continue this with you later. Enjoy.
When the cops raided Zuccotti Park, lawyers for Occupy Wall Street immediately woke up a judge with a civil liberties background and asked for help.
Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings signed an early-morning order temporarily barring cops from keeping protesters and tents out of Zuccotti Park.
But within hours, she was off the case as court administrators prepared to randomly choose a new judge — and excluded Billings’ name from the list of candidates.
Billings’ biography notes that before she became a judge in 1997, she spent 25 years as a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.
“I have devoted my career to public service, especially the disadvantaged in desperate circumstances,” she wrote in a 2007 pre-election statement.
READ THE FULL OCCUPY WALL STREET COURT FILING
Lawyers for Occupy Wall Street phoned Billings after cops moved into Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, evicted the protesters and got rid of their tents and other camp equipment.
Asked why they called her first, protest lawyer Daniel Alterman wouldn’t say, remarking that he’s not a “gossip guy.”
The lawyers also called an emergency hotline set up to assign judges to after-hours cases. A staffer told them that since Billings had already been contacted, she should handle the Zuccotti matter.
He said Billings came to the lawyers and at 6:30 a.m. signed an order declaring cops cannot evict protesters who aren’t breaking the law or stop protesters from entering with tents.
Billings’ involvement will be short-lived.
At 11:30 a.m., court officials were scheduled to use a computer program to pick a new judge for an afternoon hearing on the restraining order — the proceeding that will determine if the tents can be erected again.
Billings’ name will not be included because she usually handles real estate cases, court officials said.
Asked why press was prevented from watching eviction, Bloomberg says "to protect members of the press." An Orwellian statement if I've ever heard one...
BREAKING: Bloomberg served with temporary restraining order requiring reopening of Zuccotti Park to protesters at 7:50 a.m. | At 6:30 a.m. this morning, following a midnight police raid evicting protesters from Zuccotti Park, Justice Lucy Billings issued an order requiring the protesters to be readmitted to Zuccotti Park with their tents. ThinkProgress just spoke to one of the plantiff’s attorney’s, Gideon Orion Oliver, who confirmed that the order was served on Mayor Bloomberg and the other defendants via fax at 7:50 a.m. During his 8 a.m. press conference, Mayor Bloomberg seemed to acknowledge he was familiar with the temporary restraining order, but claimed he had not been served and was keeping the park closed. As of this writing, Zuccotti Park remains closed to protesters in direct contradiction of Justice Billing’s order.
Seems Bloomberg needs to be brought up on criminal charges. Court Orders aren't optional, even for the corrupt Corporate puppets...
When Occupy marched in downtown Seattle on Tuesday night, a priest, a pregnant teenager and an 84-year-old community activist were doused in pepper spray. Although there have been many striking images of violence and peace in Occupy encampments, and many faces of the movement, none may be as immediately striking as this image of Dorli Rainey, taken by Joshua Trujillo.
Rainey’s direct gaze at the camera as her face drips with pepper spray is a haunting, cinematic image of brutality, emphasized even more by the chiaroscuro of dark gloved hands holding her head up to lead her to safety. Dashiell Bennett of the Atlantic has speculated that this image may become the defining one of Occupy unrest.
Rainey, a community activist since the ’60s, decided to walk by the protest on her way to a transportation meeting in the Northgate neighborhood of Seattle. As she told the Stranger, Seattle’s alt-weekly paper, “Cops shoved their bicycles into the crowd . . . If it had not been for my Hero (Iraq Vet Caleb) I would have been down on the ground and trampled.”
When Philip Kennicott wrote in 2005 about the lack of iconic images from the Iraq war, he spoke to the qualities that make a photograph emblematic of a movement or era in history. Until now, many of the photos of Occupy focused on the signs carried by protesters, rather than the clashes with police. This is partially due to access — by many accounts, press were shut out from Monday night’s eviction of protesters from Zucottti Park. Yet, even though Occupy Wall Street and its branches across the country are not analogous to the war, the visual language of iconic imagery is the same.
Too often, Kennicott writes, photographers of conflict focus on objects — a sign, a tent, a mangled car — as a stand-in for people: “The sum total of these substitutions feels, at times, like a theater without actors, a set of props and costumes and extras milling about, without hint of what the real drama is meant to be.”
Rainey has now been unwittingly thrust into that starring role. Protest images that become iconic show us faces in anguish, such as John Filo’s Pulitzer-winning image of the shooting at Kent State. Thankfully, no image or incident quite as violent has emerged from Occupy. Nevertheless, wrote one commenter on the Stranger, “This is exactly the sort of picture that changes things.”
Anyone who thinks attacking citizens like this is justifiable is, literally, a traitor to the United States of America. And, in my opinion, human scum whose passing, while I would not celebrate, I would neither mourn...
I think those protestors that stopped traffic hurt the movement but considering this is all happening before our elected officials have started cutting Social Security and other programs (and we know that's where their headed), they'll have more support as time goes by. Wall Street isn't done raping the country yet and more people are not going to be content staying bent over for it.
Aside from the crimes committed, and that the Occupy movement is more and more acting like re-runs of Reclaim the streets, the Attac-movement, and the demonstrations against the G-8 meetings... My main issue is that while the various members of the Occupy movement (left to right - remember that there are libertarian and even conservative supporters of it) have presented a problem (the big banks gets the benefits of socialism but not the burden of it, which is laid on the citizens instead), but no solution whatsoever.
Do they want to end corporate welfare?
Do they want to nationalize (failed) banks?
Do they want to create some kind of anarko-syndicalist or anarko-capialist utopia?
What. Do. They. Want?
Say what you want about the Popular Fronts in the 1930's, but at least they identified a common threat - Fascism and Nazism - and fought against it... Until Stalin's greed and paranoia destroyed everything.
No frakken wonder I couldn't find this, when you guys keep quoting your own posts in absurdum and infinitum. Some of us try to put some thought into our arguments.
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!" -Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah." -Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents." -Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise." -Prometheus
Say what you want about the tenants of national socialism dude. At least it's an ethos.
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!" -Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah." -Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents." -Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise." -Prometheus
They buy the elected officials and get all the goodies and bailouts, we get told cuts need to be made to pay down the debt.
Also, pizza is now legally a vegetable.
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!" -Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah." -Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents." -Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise." -Prometheus
Aside from the crimes committed, and that the Occupy movement is more and more acting like re-runs of Reclaim the streets, the Attac-movement, and the demonstrations against the G-8 meetings... My main issue is that while the various members of the Occupy movement (left to right - remember that there are libertarian and even conservative supporters of it) have presented a problem (the big banks gets the benefits of socialism but not the burden of it, which is laid on the citizens instead), but no solution whatsoever.
Do they want to end corporate welfare?
Do they want to nationalize (failed) banks?
Do they want to create some kind of anarko-syndicalist or anarko-capialist utopia?
What. Do. They. Want?
Say what you want about the Popular Fronts in the 1930's, but at least they identified a common threat - Fascism and Nazism - and fought against it... Until Stalin's greed and paranoia destroyed everything.
No frakken wonder I couldn't find this, when you guys keep quoting your own posts in absurdum and infinitum. Some of us try to put some thought into our arguments.
it's easier to be adversarial or to keep spamming vaguely topical but fervently dogmatic assertions than to actually devote time and effort to constructing a cohesive logical argument. fortunately our moderation team is working diligently to keep this thread from degenerating into an absolute clusterfuck.
Aside from the crimes committed, and that the Occupy movement is more and more acting like re-runs of Reclaim the streets, the Attac-movement, and the demonstrations against the G-8 meetings... My main issue is that while the various members of the Occupy movement (left to right - remember that there are libertarian and even conservative supporters of it) have presented a problem (the big banks gets the benefits of socialism but not the burden of it, which is laid on the citizens instead), but no solution whatsoever.
Do they want to end corporate welfare?
Do they want to nationalize (failed) banks?
Do they want to create some kind of anarko-syndicalist or anarko-capialist utopia?
What. Do. They. Want?
Say what you want about the Popular Fronts in the 1930's, but at least they identified a common threat - Fascism and Nazism - and fought against it... Until Stalin's greed and paranoia destroyed everything.
No frakken wonder I couldn't find this, when you guys keep quoting your own posts in absurdum and infinitum. Some of us try to put some thought into our arguments.
it's easier to be adversarial or to keep spamming vaguely topical but fervently dogmatic assertions than to actually devote time and effort to constructing a cohesive logical argument. fortunately our moderation team is working diligently to keep this thread degenerating into an absolute clusterfuck.
Corrected.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Occupy Oakland: Iraq war veteran Kayvan Sabehgi beaten by police - video
Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen
Originally Posted By: The Shill Apologists
Liberal! Hippie! Failed pseudo-intellectual stab at sly commentary! Soros! G-Spin!!
Camping out for concert tickets, I-Pads, and Twilight are seen as harmless, while camping out against corporate greed is somehow dangerous. Only in the U$A!
Aside from the crimes committed, and that the Occupy movement is more and more acting like re-runs of Reclaim the streets, the Attac-movement, and the demonstrations against the G-8 meetings... My main issue is that while the various members of the Occupy movement (left to right - remember that there are libertarian and even conservative supporters of it) have presented a problem (the big banks gets the benefits of socialism but not the burden of it, which is laid on the citizens instead), but no solution whatsoever.
Do they want to end corporate welfare?
Do they want to nationalize (failed) banks?
Do they want to create some kind of anarko-syndicalist or anarko-capialist utopia?
What. Do. They. Want?
Say what you want about the Popular Fronts in the 1930's, but at least they identified a common threat - Fascism and Nazism - and fought against it... Until Stalin's greed and paranoia destroyed everything.
No frakken wonder I couldn't find this, when you guys keep quoting your own posts in absurdum and infinitum. Some of us try to put some thought into our arguments.
it's easier to be adversarial or to keep spamming vaguely topical but fervently dogmatic assertions than to actually devote time and effort to constructing a cohesive logical argument. fortunately our moderation team is working diligently to keep this thread degenerating into an absolute clusterfuck.
Camping out for concert tickets, I-Pads, and Twilight are seen as harmless, while camping out against corporate greed is somehow dangerous. Only in the U$A!
let's see here... put up with annoying people who fully intend to give me their money for a few hours or put up with annoying people who fully intend to give me nothing but trouble for an indeterminate amount of time? yeah, this one doesn't have a whole lot to do with ideology now that I think about it. not that there's much of a cohesive (or rational) ideology behind what occupy's turned into by this point anyway.
Camping out for concert tickets, I-Pads, and Twilight are seen as harmless, while camping out against corporate greed is somehow dangerous. Only in the U$A!
let's see here... put up with annoying people who fully intend to give me their money for a few hours or put up with annoying people who fully intend to give me nothing but trouble for an indeterminate amount of time? yeah, this one doesn't have a whole lot to do with ideology now that I think about it. not that there's much of a cohesive (or rational) ideology behind what occupy's turned into by this point anyway.
Yup, yup. It's a matter of scale. The number of people who camp out for gadgets and movies have never reached the numbers involved with the Occupy movement (to say otherwise would be a detriment to the Occupy dudes).
And most of the time, camping out for release dates is only overnight. The ones who camp out months in advance are few and far in between, and it's mostly one person who's got nothing better to do with his life.
There were people that camped out for months for the Star Wars movies but they weren't shitting on sidewalks, raping kids, beating up cops or blocking businesses.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
I have absolutely no defense to what WB just said. So I'll say something incoherent, and hope it comes across as clever. Oh! And I'll throw in a few pedophile and racism slanders.
So let's recap: 1. I call you a moron citing strong, undeniable evidence. 2. Your counter-argument is "I'm not a moron because you don't take this forum seriously" (somehow?) 3. I explain why that doesn't even make sense. 4. Your counter-argument is... man, I don't even know.
Thanks for proving my point, but it wasn't really necessary.
NOOOOO!!!! G-SPIN!!! 
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