I'm surprised you didn't spin the part about Greek farmers who abuse donkeys...
I miss PJP.
I was thinking of the Rexist, but true dat. Lots of posters I miss, BTW.
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!" -Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah." -Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents." -Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise." -Prometheus
Hey G-man, we know you like that pic but that doesn't justify all the protestors getting pepper sprayed and other brutal treatment that's getting doled out.
Fact is that hundreds of people eating and shitting in one place for two months is unhealthy.
Tell that to the military. Or the Boy Scouts. Or anyone else who camps out for months at a time. They, too, are organizations that eat and shit in one place for two months or more.
Again, you forget simple facts. The military has people who specifically deal with the sanitation/health issue constantly. Boy Scouts either use facilities provided by the parks they're camping in or they dig latrines yards away from them. They also don't camp for months at a time. OWS protestors have done neither.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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Again, you miss the fact that camping on private property for months isn't a right.
No one said it was. They were given permission by the owner of Zucarotti Park when the entire movement began. Throwing these misdemeanors out as some kind of "crime against Western Civilization" is just hyperbole talking points designed to distract. Thus, saying it over and over just means I'm going to ignore it.
Actually, you've said, several times, that they have the right to camp out. They don't. Also, the owners of Zuccotti Park were prevented by threats from local politicians from having the protestors evacuate the park in the beginning. So they didn't really give permission, but they were forced to not deny them permission. I think it also underlines the fact that many of the protestors don't want to change the system to just force Wall Street to play fair. They want a society where they get to do whatever they want when they want.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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and going home afterwards.
Too bad, as it's their Constitutional right to not do so.
But, again, it's not their Constitutional right to camp out on private property.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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Camping out for this long isn't really doing anything for them. Public opinions polls prove that.
Heh. Because we know how honest, and unbiased, and non-fictional those "public opinion polls" are. Meanwhile, it wouldn't matter if "Public Opinion Polls" were declaring they are eating puppies. The Movement is the Right of American citizens to protest, be heard, and demand a better life for what the 1% believe are their Corporate Slaves. The public can go fuck themselves. Either stand with us, or get out of the way. There's no third option.
"Either stand with us, or get out of the way."
Since when are you part of the movement?
I'm pointing out that "your" movement is shooting itself in the foot. It's accomplishing nothing. What good is a movement that accomplishes nothing? What will it change? It'll change two things. Jack and shit. And Jack just left town. So feel happy about what 'you' have accomplished.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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Before it might have been about changing how the government treats Wall Street. Now, it's a bunch of people wanting to feel good about themselves and thinking they own whatever they want.
That's your interpretation, not a fact. And while I would agree that, with any movement, the fear of being hijacked by a larger, singular message would, in fact, deteriorate the effectiveness of said Movement, I see no larger signs beyond a few groups of individuals out of hundreds and hundreds of thousands who are bad apples. Do they need to take care of their bad apples? Yes. As does anyone. Does it in any way discredit or take away meaning from The Movement? Only to those who are desperately searching for a way to do so in the first place...
Again, my interpretation is what most Americans are thinking right now. The fact that 'your' movement has no singular message is hurting it. This isn't the Civil Rights March. MLK Jr. didn't camp out for months in Washington. Right now, there is no meaning to what they're doing. No meaning means no change. Especially if these people don't actually use their right to vote to actually change things.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Does pro understand that you can't just do whatever you want just because you don't like something? It seems that he feels that as long as its in the name of the "cause" anyone can do whatever they want without consequence.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
Sorry you got butthurt because someone actually knew what they were talking about in this conversation. Spin and deny all you like. Facts are facts. Not liking it won't change reality for you. Good luck with your blinders on, though. I expect it's going to get bumpy for you from here on out.
Oh and btw, when you've actually gotten off your lazy ass and involved yourself in your local Movement (in your case, the Tea Party) as I have, then I'll take what you have to say into account. Until then, carry on the uninformed Rightwing bitterness.
Hey G-man, we know you like that pic but that doesn't justify all the protestors getting pepper sprayed and other brutal treatment that's getting doled out.
You really think G needs an excuse to promote violence against innocents? He's a fucking lawyer. He makes money off the misery of others. Don't expect fair ethics or honest morality from the guy. You've been here long enough to know that, MEM...
Tough tactics and intolerance favor the rich and flout the rule of law
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In early stages of Occupy Wall Street, I sometimes encountered people who harbored a legitimate concern: Wouldn’t prolonged media attention to altercations between police and demonstrators distract from the movement’s message?
This apprehension always struck me as misguided. What could be more central to Occupy’s guiding philosophy than the idea that the rule of law has been subverted by corporate interests? In collusion with government functionaries and beyond meaningful accountability from the public, these interests have created a separate realm of law for themselves — one that orients the financial and political systems in their favor, to the detriment of everyone else. If this is indeed true, and the law itself is marred by a systemic corruption, then law enforcement — manifested physically in the form of police officers — is an appropriate focus for a social movement seeking redress of grievances.
As Occupy Wall Street grew, the New York Police Department’s “crowd control” tactics became increasingly bizarre and aggressive: historic mass arrests, motor scooter attacks, destruction of books, ramming horses into demonstrators, putting New York Post reporters in choke holds – to name only a few. And following Tuesday’s brazen raid of Zuccotti Park, carried out in the dead of night, the NYPD indicated that de-escalation is not on the horizon. Quite the opposite, in fact. Police officials at the highest ranks, under the direction of Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, have taken to simply making up the rules as they go along.
In the same way that financial elites rig the political system, law enforcement elites like Bloomberg and Kelly have rigged the criminal justice system. Occupy Wall Street is hardly the only victim. The NYPD is on pace to make 700,000 extralegal “stop-and-frisks” this year alone, while its own officers skirt accountability for their misconduct. Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna, who was sanctioned by NYPD Internal Affairs for pepper-spraying at least four demonstrators without provocation, received a maximum punishment of 10 lost vacation days on account of his actions.
If you’re an ordinary citizen, and you get caught on video dousing people with noxious gas like Bologna did, you get summarily locked up. And if you’re young and black, expect to receive the law’s full wrath. But when you’re an NYPD commanding officer responsible for all of Manhattan below 59th street, like Bologna was at the time of his attack, you get essentially a free pass.
Additionally, throughout my coverage of OWS, various police officials in plainclothes have refused to identify themselves upon request — a violation of NYPD patrol guide procedure 203-09, effective June 27, 2003, which states that all “members of the service” are required to “courteously and clearly state [their] rank, name, shield number and command, or otherwise provide them, to anyone who requests [they] do so. [They also must] allow the person ample time to note this information.”
Among the men who violated this directive are Lt. Daniel J. Albano, described in a 2009 court document as a “Lieutenant in the NYPD legal bureau and a high-level policy-making official for the NYPD.” When I asked Albano whether he was even with the NYPD, he replied, “I’m the plumber.”
Another is Sgt. Arthur Smarsch. On Tuesday morning, demonstrators were allowed back in post-powerwashed Zuccotti Park for a short time. Within what seemed like a half hour, officers began to force people out again. There was much confusion. Someone finally prodded Sgt. Arthur Smarsch to explain what was going on, and I heard him say that there was a “suspicious package” in the park. He then told an NBC4 reporter his last name upon request.
Smarsch was misinformed, because no other official ever mentioned anything about a “suspicious package,” nor was any search of the park ordered.
I recalled first seeing Smarsch at an early-morning march on Oct. 14, when he was unusually violent with demonstrators — even by NYPD standards — for no real discernible reason. He would not provide me (or several others who asked, including members of the National Lawyers Guild) with his name. I later retrieved it by other means. Smarsch is the director of Manhattan South Borough.
During the Zuccotti Park eviction, the NYPD enforced a strict no-public-access policy in both the park and its surrounding area, ensuring reporters would be virtually prohibited from observing the raid. Press, credentialed or not, were repeatedly barred from proceeding past the newly formed police line. Journalists associated with the Associated Press, the New York Times, the New York Daily News and other outlets were arrested.
At one point that morning, I got stuck in a chaotic mass of people, and was nearly battered with a baton while attempting to record video. Some NYPD officers seemed to enjoy all this immensely, especially Police Officer Toussaint — one of the several who laughed as they pummeled everyone in their path. I saw one man get smashed in the face with a riot shield; another was knocked over the hood of a taxi.
When I asked one officer why it had suddenly become unlawful to stand on that portion of the sidewalk, she answered, “You’re blocking pedestrian traffic.”
Someone called out, “We are pedestrian traffic!” The officer responded, “So are we.”
The officer’s remark, of course, was senseless. Taken at face value, it would presumably mean that those of us being impeded from standing on this normally open sidewalk were ourselves responsible for the ensuing obstruction of pedestrian traffic. As if the hundreds of amassed riot cops or newly erected metal barricades had nothing to do with the blockage that she so dryly referenced.
It is not good that NYPD officers now live in a world where coherency of argument is no longer even an aspiration. Having spoken to over a hundred police officers throughout Occupy Wall Street, about 70 percent respond to queries by saying nothing at all, another 15 percent grunt or mutter something inaudible, 10 percent make some kind of dismissive remark, and the remaining 5 percent are willing to have a human conversation.
If this is the reality of police behavior at a political demonstration in downtown New York City, what has happened to the reality of policing? The NYPD, ostensibly tasked with maintaining public order, has proven that it cannot handle political dissent without exerting anything less than military-style force. For two months, it has continuously abridged the rights of citizens to peaceably assemble, and of journalists to document these assemblies. It has lost its claim to legitimacy.
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Big Corporations Have More Free Speech than REAL People
Robert Reich sums up the 1%’s hypocrisy towards the First Amendment:
A funny thing happened to the First Amendment on its way to the public forum. According to the Supreme Court, money is now speech and corporations are now people. But when real people without money assemble to express their dissatisfaction with the political consequences of this, they’re treated as public nuisances and evicted.
Of course, the Constitution is supposed to provide the right to free speech no matter what type of threatwe’re supposedly under. That was the whole idea.
And the Founding Fathers hated big corporations. See this, this and this. They were as suspicious of big corporations as they were the monarchy. So they only allowed corporate charters for a very brief duration, in order to carry out a specific, time-limited project.
As James Madison noted:
There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by…corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.
Later presidents had a similar view. For example, Grover Cleveland said:
As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters.
And conservatives as well as liberals are war loudly warning against American corporations becoming overly powerful in relation to the people.
For example, as I noted last month:
The Oathkeepers announcement zeroes in on this issue in a way that both conservatives and liberals can agree on:
When a corporation becomes larger than is useful, and seeks to concentrate financial power into the political and governmental spheres, its likeness is no longer the King Snake, but instead is more like a Rattlesnake. At a point we call such corps “Monopoly Capitalists”. By the time a grouping of such Monopoly Capitalist corps are setting U.S. foreign policy, which the arms industry certainly does nowadays, the problem becomes unbearably apparent. Bechtel comes to mind, along with Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, Monsanto, General Electric, et al.
Monopoly Capitalism is un-Constitutional and must be opposed.
Occupy Oakland: Iraq war veteran Kayvan Sabehgi beaten by police - video
Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen
Originally Posted By: The Shill Apologists
Liberal! Hippie! Failed pseudo-intellectual stab at sly commentary! Soros! G-Spin!!
Sorry you got butthurt because someone actually knew what they were talking about in this conversation. Spin and deny all you like. Facts are facts. Not liking it won't change reality for you. Good luck with your blinders on, though. I expect it's going to get bumpy for you from here on out.
Oh and btw, when you've actually gotten off your lazy ass and involved yourself in your local Movement (in your case, the Tea Party) as I have, then I'll take what you have to say into account. Until then, carry on the uninformed Rightwing bitterness.
Now, as I said, join in or get out of the way.
That's nice. Deflect and retreat. I get it. You want to be anti-establishment. That's why you wanted to believe a cruise missile hit the Pentagon instead of a commercial airliner despite those facts.
As far as me getting involved, I voted this month. How about you and the other OWS people?
Also, what are you occupying?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — About 15 members of Occupy Portland attempted to occupy a vacant, foreclosed house in Portland, as part of an effort to continue the movement.
Occupy Portland is in midst of change two days after the city evicted the group from an encampment downtown.
On Friday afternoon, police broke down the door of the vacant northeast Portland house and threw out the people inside. Two people were arrested, the rest were allowed to grab their belongings and leave.
Police say the house is owned by Bank of America.
Demonstrators said they were occupying a bank-owned house. They said they could house 40 people in there, and encouraged others to do the same.
Occupier Genevier Sullivan says neighbors were OK with the occupiers, but said "rich people" in nearby condominiums called the police.
Sorry you got butthurt because someone actually knew what they were talking about in this conversation. Spin and deny all you like. Facts are facts. Not liking it won't change reality for you. Good luck with your blinders on, though. I expect it's going to get bumpy for you from here on out.
Oh and btw, when you've actually gotten off your lazy ass and involved yourself in your local Movement (in your case, the Tea Party) as I have, then I'll take what you have to say into account. Until then, carry on the uninformed Rightwing bitterness.
Now, as I said, join in or get out of the way.
In other words, no logical fact-based argument will be respected by you. You will reflexively and mindlessly dismiss any facts presented as "right wing talking points".
Whereas your factless highly opinionated left-wing talking points that ignore OWS crimes and bad behavior are propagandized as the One True Light.
These unwashed punks had their love-fest (peppered with rapes, murders, suicide, drugs, public sex, harassment of others, vandalism, and violwnce toward police) for two months. Now even the most liberal mayors were compelled to shut down their decadence.
Even the name "Occupy Wall Street" implies a militant occupation, and intimidation if not violence.
Bloomberg should have tear-gassed these fuckers the first day. And then every other city would have had confidence to do the same.
No one is denying these people the right to free speech and public protest. They are only denied free reign of chaos and incivility, and denied the ability to violate the rights of others.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Traitor (as slanderously scripted by Pro, because paraphrasing me to sound crazy is the only way he can bypass the facts I present)
Hate-speech is alive and well with David, the Wonder Traitor. Tell me David, how are you going to twist and spin where unarmed, peaceful military vets are scum and deserved to be shot in the head with tear gas canisters? What about 84-year-old women sprayed directly in the face with pepper-spray?
Oh, that's right. It's all a sham and everyone involved is a Marxist tool of The Secret Socialist League, right?
Anyone who attacks unarmed American citizens exercising their right to protest under the Constitution is a traitor to America, and human scum. I don't care what fascistic uniform a person puts on in the morning. The Police are harming their own citizens without cause. They are contradicting legal court-orders to fulfill the will of their Corporate Masters. So, fuck them and fuck you if you support the illegal attacks on American citizens. You automatically prove you don't support the United States of America, just your Corporations. Enjoy the revolution to come.
You're an ignorant fool. Good luck. As time passes, your irrelevance increases....
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
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Exhibit 1-8: The Media Elite Revisited
In 1995, Stanley Rothman and Amy E. Black “partially replicated the earlier Rothman-Lichter” survey of the media elite. (See previous entry, The Media Elite.) “The sample of journalists mirrors that from the earlier study, including reporters and editors at major national newspapers, news magazines and wire services,” the authors wrote in a Spring 2001 article for the journal Public Interest.
They found the media elite held strongly liberal views on abortion, homosexuality, and a range of economic issues. “Despite the discrediting of centrally planned economies produced by the collapse of the Soviet Union and other Communist regimes, attitudes about government control of the economy have not changed very much since the 1980s,” the authors marveled.
KEY FINDINGS:
•More than three out of four “elite journalists,” 76 percent, reported voting for Michael Dukakis in 1988, compared to just 46 percent of the voting public. •An even larger percentage of top journalists, 91 percent, said they cast ballots for Bill Clinton in 1992. That same year, only 43 percent of voters picked Clinton, who nevertheless won a three-way race. •Nearly all of the media elite (97 percent) agreed that “it is a woman’s right to decide whether or not to have an abortion,” and five out of six (84 percent) agreed strongly. •Three out of four journalists (73 percent) agreed that “homosexuality is as acceptable a lifestyle as heterosexuality,” and 40 percent agreed strongly. •Seven out of ten journalists (71 percent) agreed that “government should work to ensure that everyone has a job,” and 30 percent said they strongly agreed with that statement. •Three-fourths (75 percent) agreed that “government should work to reduce the income gap between the rich and the poor,” and more than a third (34 percent) strongly agreed. •Relatively few journalists (39 percent) agreed that “less government regulation of business would be good for the economy,” and just five percent strongly agreed with this sentiment.
WOW!
An overwhelming majority of pro-Soviet, pro-central-planning ideological opinion among the media, even 20 years after the failure of the Soviet Union and other communist/central-planning governments.
A media that thinks the government should guarantee everyone a job.
I can't possibly imagine them selectively favoring the Occupy Wall Street agenda, which just happens to perfectly gel with theirs, and selectively omit any negative facts to fly cover for them!
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
AGAIN: it's not "right wing racist inbred haters" who are breaking up these protests. It's the most liberal mayors in America. Who initially supported the OWS protesters for two months, and were finally forced to rein these scumbags in because of their crimes and unacceptable uncivil behavior.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
BY John Doyle, Christina Boyle, Jennifer H. Cunningham & Larry Mcshane NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, November 17 2011, 11:33 AM
They didn't occupy Wall Street for long, shut down the Brooklyn Bridge, or win many new fans.
And by Thursday night, the thousands of protesters flooding lower Manhattan seemed to have worn out their welcome after tying the Financial District in knots.
Two days after losing their two-month-old encampment at Zuccotti Park, the day of demonstrations felt more like a final hurrah.
Their vow to get many more out in the streets fizzled, Mayor Bloomberg declared.
"Occupy Wall Street had predicted on their website that tens of thousands would be participating in today's protests, but there have been far fewer - and so far they have caused what can accurately be described as minimal disruptions to our city," he crowed.
Unless you were in the thick of it.
"Today they proved that they're able to piss off the 99% by stopping them from getting home," said City Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. (D-Queens). "In my opinion, this is their last gasp.
"With silly stunts like this, they've angered people they're supposed to represent."
The protesters, still smarting over their defeat at Zuccotti in a city courtroom, took to the streets by the hundreds Thursday morning in an effort to show that the movement's anti-greed message endured.
Later, several thousand union members and college students joined late day marches in Union, and then Foley squares.
By the time marchers crossed the bridge into Brooklyn as night fell, there were nearly 300 protesters arrested - including a symbolic 99 busted on a bridge ramp hours after the protesters failed to delay the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange.
Among those arrested in the evening protest were City Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-Brooklyn), City Councilwoman Melissa Mark Viverito (D-Manhattan) and health care workers union president George Gresham.
They all sported white T-shirts reading "99 Percent," and chanted "All day, all week, Occupy Wall Street" before police took them into custody.
"The rich don't care about us," said James Frazier, 52, a union organizer. "There's no more middle class. I work, and I'm poor."
The massive police presence during the protests only emphasized the cost to the city: An estimated $3 million a month on overtime.
DAY AND NIGHT
The protests began shortly after sunrise on the streets around the New York Stock Exchange, and continued into the early evening.
The crowd burst into cheers when one protester - armed with a projector - beamed the message "99 Percent" onto the wall of a downtown courthouse.
While there were minor skirmishes between police and protesters, no major battles erupted despite cheek-to-jowl proximity for most of the long day.
NYPD cops in riot gear seized control of Zuccotti Park after an officer's hand was badly gashed by a protester, setting off a ruckus inside the Occupy Wall Street outpost. Rookie cop Matthew Walters, 24, took 20 stitches to his left hand at Bellevue Medical Center after he was slashed with a star-shaped piece of glass taken from a protester's Captain America costume.
The scuffle led to a tense lockdown of the park as cops searched for a suspect in the bloody assault. The fracas came shortly after the demonstrators ended their morning march aimed at cutting off access to Wall Street. The officer was one of seven wounded during the day, said NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly. Scores of cops already at the scene flooded the park after the incident. No one was allowed in or out, and police were seen taking one protester, Brandon Watts, 20 - his face covered in blood - out of Zuccotti after the scary incident.
Cops said Watts, of Philadelphia, Pa., climbed on a wall inside the park and beganwas tossing objects at police, including a AAA battery. Watts - who has been arrested four times since protests started in Sept. - then charged a group of officers, swiped a hat off a deputy inspector's head and ran off, police said.
As cops tackled him to the ground, he struck his head, cops said. He was treated at Bellevue Hospital before he was charged with assault and grand larceny.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
I aint calling no one a traitor but sorry when these clowns start injuring cops its no longer peaceful.
Plus these immature bums are NEVER impeding the 1% wealthy they wronglly accuse they actually hurt the 98% that are actually working and truly want naught to do with them!
Verily and Amen, on all counts.
The OWS protestors' actions are destructive to the lives of working middle-class Americans.
And they are not even addressing the so-called 1%. They should be protesting outside the White House, outside the Capitol building, outside K-street where the lobbyists are, protesting outside G.E., Pfizer, Solyndra, the HMO's who helped Obama ram through an Obamacare that 61% of the American people don't want, that has already begun to raise the price of healthcare, that will enrich the largest corporations while fleecing middle-class and low-class Americans with higher medical costs that flow straight to the corporate coffers.
These OWS protestors are unwitting pawns of the corporations they profess to oppose, and advance corporate crony-capitalism.
Read OBAMANOMICS by Tim Carney. Read CULTURE OF CORRUPTION by Michelle Malkin. Read CRASH 2.0 by Peter Schiff.
I wonder if one person among these protestors is aware that Obama's largest political backer was the Wall Street investment firms, most prominent among them Goldman-Sachs, from which Tim Geithner left to become treasury secretary. By the sideshow they provide, the OWS protestors fly cover for Obama, who is in fact the campaign-funded paid representative of the corporate interests they profess to oppose, that they are unwittingly flying cover for.
Occupy Wall Street protestors serve the Wall Street agenda, and the George Soros agenda, and the G.E./Pfizer/HMO agenda. To the detriment of the "99-percent" they profess to be fighting in the name of, as they defacate on police cars and throw acid in the face of New York cops.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Hate-speech is alive and well with David, the Wonder Traitor. Tell me David, how are you going to twist and spin where unarmed, peaceful military vets are scum and deserved to be shot in the head with tear gas canisters? What about 84-year-old women sprayed directly in the face with pepper-spray?
Oh, that's right. It's all a sham and everyone involved is a Marxist tool of The Secret Socialist League, right?
Anyone who attacks unarmed American citizens exercising their right to protest under the Constitution is a traitor to America, and human scum. I don't care what fascistic uniform a person puts on in the morning. The Police are harming their own citizens without cause. They are contradicting legal court-orders to fulfill the will of their Corporate Masters. So, fuck them and fuck you if you support the illegal attacks on American citizens. You automatically prove you don't support the United States of America, just your Corporations. Enjoy the revolution to come.
You're an ignorant fool. Good luck. As time passes, your irrelevance increases....
At the University of California at Davis this afternoon, police tore down down the tents of students inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement, and arrested those who stood in their way. Others peacefully demanded that police release the arrested.
In the video above, you see a police officer [Update: UC Davis Police Lt. John Pike] walk down a line of those young people seated quietly on the ground in an act of nonviolent civil disobedience, and spray them all with pepper spray at very close range. He is clearing a path for fellow officers to walk through and arrest more students, but it's as if he's dousing a row of bugs with insecticide.
Wayne Tilcock of the Davis-Enterprise newspaper has a gallery of photographs from the incident, including the image thumbnailed above (larger size at davisenterprise.com). Ten people in this scene were arrested, nine of whom were current UC Davis students. At least one woman is reported to have been taken away in an ambulance with chemical burns.
This 8-minute video was uploaded just a few hours ago, and has already become something of an iconic, viral emblem accross the web. We're flooded with eyewitness footage from OWS protests right now, but this one certainly feels like an important one, in part because of what the crowd does after the kids are pepper-sprayed.
Originally Posted By: The G-Shills
They were sitting peacefully?! That's what dirty hippie Liberal Marxists do! SOROS!!!
John Boehner’s lobbyist pals are so afraid of Occupy Wall Street that they are pitching a million dollar hit job to bring OWS down.
The memo admits both that Occupy Wall Street is political force, and Democrats are tougher on Wall Street than Republicans:
In short, they are going to run a smear campaign that would use the same Fox News talking points that haven’t worked so far. They are going to claim that George Soros is funding Occupy Wall Street, and that the movement is being run by the Democratic Party. Most troubling is their plan to carry surveillance on social media. They are going to monitor the social media used by OWS and what they intend to do that the memo didn’t directly state was spam social media with anti-Occupy Wall Street propaganda.
They won’t only use social media to monitor the message and tactics of Occupy Wall Street. They will try to infiltrate these social networks to disrupt the movement and plant smears against OWS. This is a favorite GOP tactic that goes right in line with their use of paid commenters to spam websites with pro-GOP messages.
By obtaining this memo and reporting on it, Chris Hayes and MSNBC made it likely that this campaign will never see the light of day. The memo does expose a very troubling development. The one percent is so worried about Occupy Wall Street that they are preparing to merge their financial, political and media resources into a giant propaganda campaign in order to halt this movement.
This memo is the most concrete evidence yet that Occupy Wall Street is winning and the one percent is terrified that the movement’s message is powerfully resonating with the American people. The greatest irony of all is that the OWS message would have never been this effective if the Republican Party wouldn’t have spent the last three years trying to sabotage the American economy.
The economic despair that they worked so hard to maintain may be the very thing that defeats them in 2012. Occupy Wall Street is their way to changing America, and there seems to be little that the one percent and their paid political puppets can do about it.
When Occupy marched in downtown Seattle on Tuesday night, a priest, a pregnant teenager and an 84-year-old community activist were doused in pepper spray. Although there have been many striking images of violence and peace in Occupy encampments, and many faces of the movement, none may be as immediately striking as this image of Dorli Rainey, taken by Joshua Trujillo.
Rainey’s direct gaze at the camera as her face drips with pepper spray is a haunting, cinematic image of brutality, emphasized even more by the chiaroscuro of dark gloved hands holding her head up to lead her to safety. Dashiell Bennett of the Atlantic has speculated that this image may become the defining one of Occupy unrest.
Rainey, a community activist since the ’60s, decided to walk by the protest on her way to a transportation meeting in the Northgate neighborhood of Seattle. As she told the Stranger, Seattle’s alt-weekly paper, “Cops shoved their bicycles into the crowd . . . If it had not been for my Hero (Iraq Vet Caleb) I would have been down on the ground and trampled.”
When Philip Kennicott wrote in 2005 about the lack of iconic images from the Iraq war, he spoke to the qualities that make a photograph emblematic of a movement or era in history. Until now, many of the photos of Occupy focused on the signs carried by protesters, rather than the clashes with police. This is partially due to access — by many accounts, press were shut out from Monday night’s eviction of protesters from Zucottti Park. Yet, even though Occupy Wall Street and its branches across the country are not analogous to the war, the visual language of iconic imagery is the same.
Too often, Kennicott writes, photographers of conflict focus on objects — a sign, a tent, a mangled car — as a stand-in for people: “The sum total of these substitutions feels, at times, like a theater without actors, a set of props and costumes and extras milling about, without hint of what the real drama is meant to be.”
Rainey has now been unwittingly thrust into that starring role. Protest images that become iconic show us faces in anguish, such as John Filo’s Pulitzer-winning image of the shooting at Kent State. Thankfully, no image or incident quite as violent has emerged from Occupy. Nevertheless, wrote one commenter on the Stranger, “This is exactly the sort of picture that changes things.”
Anyone who thinks attacking citizens like this is justifiable is, literally, a traitor to the United States of America. And, in my opinion, human scum whose passing, while I would not celebrate, I would neither mourn...
Occupy Oakland: Iraq war veteran Kayvan Sabehgi beaten by police - video
Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen
Originally Posted By: The Shill Apologists
Liberal! Hippie! Failed pseudo-intellectual stab at sly commentary! Soros! G-Spin!!
Big Corporations Have More Free Speech than REAL People
Robert Reich sums up the 1%’s hypocrisy towards the First Amendment:
A funny thing happened to the First Amendment on its way to the public forum. According to the Supreme Court, money is now speech and corporations are now people. But when real people without money assemble to express their dissatisfaction with the political consequences of this, they’re treated as public nuisances and evicted.
Of course, the Constitution is supposed to provide the right to free speech no matter what type of threatwe’re supposedly under. That was the whole idea.
And the Founding Fathers hated big corporations. See this, this and this. They were as suspicious of big corporations as they were the monarchy. So they only allowed corporate charters for a very brief duration, in order to carry out a specific, time-limited project.
As James Madison noted:
There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by…corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.
Later presidents had a similar view. For example, Grover Cleveland said:
As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters.
And conservatives as well as liberals are war loudly warning against American corporations becoming overly powerful in relation to the people.
For example, as I noted last month:
The Oathkeepers announcement zeroes in on this issue in a way that both conservatives and liberals can agree on:
When a corporation becomes larger than is useful, and seeks to concentrate financial power into the political and governmental spheres, its likeness is no longer the King Snake, but instead is more like a Rattlesnake. At a point we call such corps “Monopoly Capitalists”. By the time a grouping of such Monopoly Capitalist corps are setting U.S. foreign policy, which the arms industry certainly does nowadays, the problem becomes unbearably apparent. Bechtel comes to mind, along with Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, Monsanto, General Electric, et al.
Monopoly Capitalism is un-Constitutional and must be opposed.