Some people say that these OWS are also inciting violent responses from the police in order to film it, and spin it as an assault.
I find it interesting that only one person is being sprayed, and not the entire crowd. I would think if the crowd was the target the crowd would get sprayed and not just one person.
These police are just hardworking blue collar guys trying to feed the family and now they have to be down there to save these children from themselves.
If the police were not there I wonder how many would have been dead by now.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Some people say that these OWS are also inciting violent responses from the police in order to film it, and spin it as an assault.
I find it interesting that only one person is being sprayed, and not the entire crowd. I would think if the crowd was the target the crowd would get sprayed and not just one person.
In the UC-Davis protest in California, where the cop sprayed a sitting crowd, they were outnumbered 10-to-1 by protestors, and at one point the OWS crowd intimidatingly encircled and closed in on the few officers there, not allowing the officers to leave or move around. I saw video of this.
At that point, they ordered the crowd to move or be arrested. When the crowd would not move, they pepper-sprayed them with a mild solution of pepper spray, then arrested them one by one.
Even the best-case pro-OWS spin shows the protesters were repeatedly warned, did not comply, and resisted arrest.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Some people say that these OWS are also inciting violent responses from the police in order to film it, and spin it as an assault.
I find it interesting that only one person is being sprayed, and not the entire crowd. I would think if the crowd was the target the crowd would get sprayed and not just one person.
I've suspected this all along.
Just look at how Prometheus posts here. Same tactics. He likewise constantly solicits an angry reaction, then acts shocked and outraged when someone reacts in precisely the way he solicited.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
I've suspected this all along. Because it suits what I need.
Just look at how Prometheus posts here, with his dirty Liberal facts and denial of white superiority. I likewise constantly solicit an angry reaction, then act shocked and outraged when someone reacts in precisely the way I solicited. Then I talk about welding a penis and taunting him with death threats.
Oh, the spin. I love how apologists are scrambling to craft some type of 'moral principle' to defend illegally attacking American citizens. It's always so predictable. And laughable.
Those dirty hippie Liberals with their Marxist Socialist peaceful SITTING! How dare they protest non-violently! They're not the Tea Party! They have no rights! I think one of them was a MUSLIM!! SOROS!!
Originally Posted By: Wonder Traitor (again, the deceitful re-scripting of what I actually said your only possible way to incriminate me, to make me falsely conform to your prejudicial strawman of a conservative)
I've suspected this all along. Because it suits what I need.
Just look at how Prometheus posts here, with his dirty Liberal facts and denial of white superiority. I likewise constantly solicit an angry reaction, then act shocked and outraged when someone reacts in precisely the way I solicited. Then I talk about welding a penis and taunting him with death threats.
Oh, the spin. I love how apologists are scrambling to craft some type of 'moral principle' to defend illegally attacking American citizens. It's always so predictable. And laughable.
And by the way;
WHAT facts?
It's all just your obnoxious opinion and spin. You routinely re-write the facts, and the opinions of those who disagree with you, to conform to your own delusional views.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
Those dirty hippie Liberals with their Marxist Socialist peaceful SITTING! How dare they protest non-violently! They're not the Tea Party! They have no rights! I think one of them was a MUSLIM!! SOROS!!
Agreed. At least transgenders are honest about who they are, instead of hiding behind their insecurities like you describe...
Exactly. They can't have self-loathing issues, either, since they embrace their nature.
Quoting the article again:
"But Tobin disagreed, citing countries such as the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia, which have or are in the process of accommodating transgender military members."
Three of our best allies are accepting of their transgender military members, but we are not?
JLA, the American military system...mainly the Army & Marines...is setup to accommodate those with little will of their own. These are people who needed to be given instructions in life, because they lack the natural discipline to function as successful, normal adults in the real world.
Transgenders, homosexuals...these are people who have had to take a very deep look at their life and come to grips with who they are, and not necessarily what society wants them to be. Thus, they already come prepared with a strong foundation of willpower and self-awareness.
People like that are that much harder to brainwash or temper with propaganda. The military does not like people like this because if they're thinking with their own mind, and not allowing others to control them, then such people aren't as easily controlled as the rest of the slack-jawed yokels or insecure emo kids. They might actually question why they're killing innocent civilians, and bombing hospitals. People like transgenders and homosexuals, who are aware of who they are, have a far more profound perspective on life and the sanctity therein. They're far less likely to club a baby than, say, try and find a solution for peace. The Army cannot use people with their own courage and will. They need sheep to mold into Pavlovian psychopaths that will assassinate their own people without question.
Your respect for our military is so clear.
Don't you ever get tired of being humiliated and proven a liar, Pro?
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
The accused gunman who came dangerously close to Occupy Houston protesters has been identified as Joshua Anthony Twohig. Neighbors describe him as a quiet man who's been dealing with a lot of personal stress.
Occupy Houston protester J.J. Freeman recalled, "The gunman was firing in the air, he was firing at my feet, and I knew that this was not a joke."
Freeman is describing the tense moments as he came face-to-face with the gunman who stormed Tranquility Park Monday night. Police have now identified the shooter as 21-year-old Joshua Anthony Twohig.
"He was carrying an AR-15 semiautomatic weapon," Freeman said. "He already emptied a clip and inserted another and I was probably, at farthest from him, about four feet." ...
The accused gunman who came dangerously close to Occupy Houston protesters has been identified as David Wondertraitor. Neighbors describe him as a quiet man who's been dealing with a lot of personal stress.
Occupy Houston protester J.J. Freeman recalled, "The gunman was firing in the air, he was firing at my feet, he kept yelling 'SOROS!' and I knew that this was not a joke."
Freeman is describing the tense moments as he came face-to-face with the gunman who stormed Tranquility Park Monday night. Police have now identified the shooter as 77-year-old David Wondertraitor.
"He was carrying an AR-15 semiautomatic weapon," Freeman said. "He already emptied a clip and inserted another and I was probably, at farthest from him, about four feet." ...
I've suspected this all along. Because it suits what I need.
Just look at how Prometheus posts here, with his dirty Liberal facts and denial of white superiority. I likewise constantly solicit an angry reaction, then act shocked and outraged when someone reacts in precisely the way I solicited. Then I talk about welding a penis and taunting him with death threats.
Oh, the spin. I love how apologists are scrambling to craft some type of 'moral principle' to defend illegally attacking American citizens. It's always so predictable. And laughable.
Those dirty hippie Liberals with their Marxist Socialist peaceful SITTING! How dare they protest non-violently! They're not the Tea Party! They have no rights! I think one of them was a MUSLIM!! SOROS!!
So, Pro...the conversation seems to be shifting. And, as it shifts, I get the distinct impression that your point in this thread was not to condemn police brutality but to attempt to elicit sympathy for the protester's cause.
My point, honestly...no bs...is that I see an injustice of peaceful protestors getting the shit kicked out of them by the NYPD, on Wall Street. It couldn't raise my "Oh Shit 1984 Fuck the Man Here We Go"-Alarms any more, unless they were wearing riot gear and gassing people. To simply shrug it off as an ideological "meh" (as I feel you are doing) screams partisan-or-class bias to me. I think because you have had a lot of experience with these things, you're just lumping their cause in with all the rest you have ideologically opposed in your square days. I don't really think you're being fair in your assessment.
These people are peacefully protesting, as is their American right. These thugs roped off sidewalks (that's illegal, btw) and then just started macing, beating, and arresting people. And I mean including journalists, women, old people, anyone. Their Wall Street masters called the city, and they sent an attack squad down to squash the peasant rebellion.
So, Pro...the conversation seems to be shifting. And, as it shifts, I get the distinct impression that your point in this thread was not to condemn police brutality but to attempt to elicit sympathy for the protester's cause.
My point, honestly...no bs...is that I see an injustice of peaceful protestors getting the shit kicked out of them by the NYPD, on Wall Street. It couldn't raise my "Oh Shit 1984 Fuck the Man Here We Go"-Alarms any more, unless they were wearing riot gear and gassing people. To simply shrug it off as an ideological "meh" (as I feel you are doing) screams partisan-or-class bias to me. I think because you have had a lot of experience with these things, you're just lumping their cause in with all the rest you have ideologically opposed in your square days. I don't really think you're being fair in your assessment.
These people are peacefully protesting, as is their American right. These thugs roped off sidewalks (that's illegal, btw) and then just started macing, beating, and arresting people. And I mean including journalists, women, old people, anyone. Their Wall Street masters called the city, and they sent an attack squad down to squash the peasant rebellion.
It's bullshit.
Is that your argument? That the Police wore riot gear to a situation in which they were heavily outnumbered by a bunch of protesters who saw them as a puppet of the fascist corporate American agenda?
No, not an "argument". I was bolding it to (A) show that I called The Corporate Police would overreact, and, (B) to add that it sets off all my alarms.
Goddamn, Jake. You're so defensive about this OWS thing. I don't think you're being completely honest with me. What's your overall beef? You seem awfully opinionated for someone who doesn't seem to want/need to be involved...
Oh and hey, I'm going to quote some favorite or, I believe, insightful commentary posts from this thread again. It's not an "argument", Jake. It's not a "spam session" Shills. Dry your eyes. It's because there's nothing new right now, so let's go back and look at previous discussions that were otherwise derailed by The Shills or my own obsessive whims...
This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group. This is a living document. you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.
As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*
To the people of the world,
We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.
Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.
To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
I think the difference was they were allowed on the sidewalk, not the actual road. Once protesters had started to go out onto the road to block up traffic arrests were made.
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
I think the difference was they were allowed on the sidewalk, not the actual road. Once protesters had started to go out onto the road to block up traffic arrests were made.
Yes. In fact, that was brought up here a few weeks ago before it got lost in the spam.
It was also noted that the Brooklyn Bridge is hardly there for the exclusive use of billionaires or corporations. In fact, the bulk of people using it are middle class and lower class. The occupiers are inconveniencing the very people they claim to be standing up for.
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!" -Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah." -Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents." -Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise." -Prometheus
I've suspected this all along. Because it suits what I need.
