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Yeah, like I said, Moff threw this one together slapdash. It was as if RTD was the ghost-writer...
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yeah, more "Jesus-Doctor-love saves the day ending". I think RTD ghost wrote this. or Jeph Loeb. 
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At the end, Amy Pond revealed that she got AIDS from Rory, who had sex with a lot of men while the doctor was away.
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or Jeph Loeb. The very idea brings real tears to my eyes. I CAN'T STOP CRYING. 
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At the end, Amy Pond revealed that she got AIDS from Rory, who had sex with a lot of men while the doctor was away. You just gave me brain cancer.
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it's my christmas gift to you.
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Soak them in lysol every night and it should clear right up.
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Yeah, like I said, Moff threw this one together slapdash. It was as if RTD was the ghost-writer... The RTD hate lives on.  I think Moffat isn't perfect but I actually liked this one. Much of the criticism about this special is probably valid but when I watched it I didn't care. It was just nice seeing a happy ending after last season's darkness. The bit at the end with Amy and Rory was perfect IMHO. BTW the actress that played the mother was in another brit series called Outnumbered that I think is really funny.
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Heh. Poor old RTD. His gems are few and far between. But, the reason I dislike his work is because it doesn't have to be the case. He's a genius writer. He's just too cowardly to commit himself to writing honest, genuine, thoughtful science fiction. He's too pressured by trying to remain "cool" in the eyes of the general public and the Gay/Lesbian Community who tend to think the only good Who is camp Who. That wasn't a generalization more than an observation.
I found the mother actress to be a bad, bad actress. At no point did she convince me of any emotion at any point. She just read her lines. The girl will be a knock-out when she gets older and she was a good little actress. The boy kid was there to look like "Ralphie", glasses and all. The plot was slapdash, the pacing was erratic, and every emotional moment felt hollow and forced.
We get it, Moff. The Doctor is a childlike Santa Claus character. We get it. You insist this as your main theme, like RTD insisted The Doctor was this emo-ridden avenging angel or something. Okay. Good got it. He likes kids. He's big kid. You think Doctor Who is a kid's show. Yes, we got it all. Now what?
I mean, this cannot be the same writer that gave us 'The Empty Child' from 2005. Try imagining Christopher Eccleston in that Xmas special. It's just crap.
You want a par excellent Xmas episode? Last year's 'A Christmas Carol' was volumes above this placid drivel. Last year's was the best Who Xmas story ever made. I want THAT writer back. Or I want him to go concentrate on SHERLOCK and give Doctor Who to someone who knows what it means to run the show...
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Heh. Poor old RTD. His gems are few and far between. But, the reason I dislike his work is because it doesn't have to be the case. He's a genius writer. He's just too cowardly to commit himself to writing honest, genuine, thoughtful science fiction. He's too pressured by trying to remain "cool" in the eyes of the general public and the Gay/Lesbian Community who tend to think the only good Who is camp Who. That wasn't a generalization more than an observation.
I found the mother actress to be a bad, bad actress. At no point did she convince me of any emotion at any point. She just read her lines. The girl will be a knock-out when she gets older and she was a good little actress. The boy kid was there to look like "Ralphie", glasses and all. The plot was slapdash, the pacing was erratic, and every emotional moment felt hollow and forced.
We get it, Moff. The Doctor is a childlike Santa Claus character. We get it. You insist this as your main theme, like RTD insisted The Doctor was this emo-ridden avenging angel or something. Okay. Good got it. He likes kids. He's big kid. You think Doctor Who is a kid's show. Yes, we got it all. Now what?
I mean, this cannot be the same writer that gave us 'The Empty Child' from 2005. Try imagining Christopher Eccleston in that Xmas special. It's just crap.
You want a par excellent Xmas episode? Last year's 'A Christmas Carol' was volumes above this placid drivel. Last year's was the best Who Xmas story ever made. I want THAT writer back. Or I want him to go concentrate on SHERLOCK and give Doctor Who to someone who knows what it means to run the show...
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watching "The Next Doctor" on On Demand. 
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that's the best one from Tennant's last specials. Purely because of Jackson Lake's story. I couldn't care less about the Cybermen and the hag.
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that's the best one from Tennant's last specials. Purely because of Jackson Lake's story. I couldn't care less about the Cybermen and the hag. Yep. Although, I like WATERS OF MARS from his specials. The darker the better for me.
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BTW, this still gets me hard...
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that's the best one from Tennant's last specials. Purely because of Jackson Lake's story. I couldn't care less about the Cybermen and the hag. Yep. Although, I like WATERS OF MARS from his specials. The darker the better for me. The Waters of Mars sucked. The only thing good was the ending because it looked like it was setting up something big for the final specials. When it became obvious that it wasn't, the whole episode was retroactively made complete suck again.
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I thought it was a perfect contrast to the "Perfect Ten" years. Here he was, the epitome of good to all his fans, and he falls. Taken in by his incarnation's own vanity and ego. In that episode, Perfect Ten was revealed to be the Egomaniac Incarnation. For me, it worked beautifully. Would I have liked to see a further exploration of it? Sure. But, it was RTD. I never expected art. 
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that's the best one from Tennant's last specials. Purely because of Jackson Lake's story. I couldn't care less about the Cybermen and the hag. see, I like the Hitchy Cybermen and I really dig the giant steampunk Cyberking. cool stuff. Lake's story was done really well. it was a Christmas story that wasn't overly shmaltzy or campy. unlike the most recent one.
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Mary Tamm comes in 2:45  That was fast!
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just started End of Time, Part 1.
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and went straight into Part 2. Dalton makes a great Timelord.
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so, he called Dalton "Rassilon." cryptic much?
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Ha! That actually WAS the resurrected Rassilon, per RTD. The Time Lords brought him back just as easily as they brought The Master back from his death in the 1996 movie. A body is easy. But, the Gallifreyan Matrix...repository of all Time Lord brain patterns and knowledge...that's what holds the mind/"soul". Now, with the Matrix gone, I'd imagine any death past regeneration is permanent, finite death....
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His voice alone makes the talent fee worth it. I especially loved the part towards the end of part 1, when the narrator is revealed to be Rassilon himself.
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they really put the budget to good work on those two eps. The Master's plan seems a bit daft until the reveal that it's all manipulation by Rassilon, and that Rassilon effectively "created" him, putting the sound in his head.
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The multiple times Tenth aimed his gun at the end was a bit silly though, especially with the dramatic sound and camera angles being used every single time he changed targets.
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The loudest cocking pistol, ever.
Yeah, there was a lot of flimsy RTD fluff in there. But, there was some decent meat, as well. Dalton was perfect for Rassilon. I loved the use of The Master, and a sort-of origin for him. I loved seeing the egomaniac incarnation of The Doctor resentfully facing his mortality. RTD stated in his biography that he wrote Wilf's part for The Brigadier (Nicholas Courtney). Unfortunately, Courtney suffered a stroke was unable to perform. So, he rewrote it for Wilf. Can you imagine the gut-punch if Ten had to sacrifice himself for The Brig like that? It would have been an instant-classic if that had been the case.
Either way, while the ending was stretched out beyond reason, I still think it was a decent ending for Ten...
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I liked Wilf. that was one seriously cool old man. I thought several times during the two episodes that he was in a Brigadier-like role and wondered about that. I wouldn't mind seeing him back in the show, although it seems unlikely.
RTD was actually very toned down in his writing here, and I enjoyed it much more than most of his season enders/cliffhangers.
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New series is pushed back to autumn. Moffat is being coy about is it will run longer than the usual 13 episodes and says, “There will never be a better time to be a Doctor Who fan, I absolutely promise you that.” Looks like the 50th is going to be a big year. http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-01-1...ho-series-seven
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