Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
Do you think older age is all it takes to get someone to the ground? Really?

You and MEM don't know a great deal about grappling do you?


Zimmerman also weighed more than Martin. You like to just go by height for some reason but if you compare builds it looks to me like Martin was basically a stick while Zimmerman was beefier.


This is another bone of contention with how the media reported this. Seems like the weight of 250 for Zimmerman was a six year old stat. Martin's own family puts him at 6'2" instead of the 6' reported. Turns out that both were about the same size with Martin having the height advantage and Zimmerman the weight (about a ten to twenty pound difference). So, it could have been anyone's game.

Again, you don't have all the facts; but you've decided that you already know the truth.

whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."