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The Clintons are slippery, but this email thing seems to be sticking to her like tar. DEMs have been scared to talk about it at all--and never mind the fucking WH press secretary who has no idea how to handle it.

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Ooooooh I wonder what juicy tidbits we'll discover from hillary@clintonemail.com? I bet that cunt has a bunch of unused 20% coupons for bath and body works itching for public release

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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
The Clintons are slippery, but this email thing seems to be sticking to her like tar. DEMs have been scared to talk about it at all--and never mind the fucking WH press secretary who has no idea how to handle it.


The presidential election is not for almost 2 years. By then the mainstream media will circle the wagons around their queen elect and decree this to be "old news nothing to see here MoveOn," while giving whoever the Republican candidate is an anal probe over something he did at the age of five to a kid on the playground.

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Fair enough I s'pose.

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For all those laws she didn't break I'm not sure how she'll get out of this!
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and I'm sure it just all seems so unfair to you boys.

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I believe concealment and destruction of federally relevant emails is illegal. Her server isn't apart of the government's network, and thus keeps no record of her erasures.

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Sure, you can make up all sorts of things she could have done. That of course doesn't make them real.


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Ugh. Let's not go down the woman president path right now. We just put a black dude in office. Maybe after a couple more white guys get in there we'll be ready to break up the status quo for a bit again.

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Sure, you can make up all sorts of things she could have done. That of course doesn't make them real.


It's not made up. When you run your own email server, you have complete control over the storage and reception of emails without any public oversight.

The fact that she's receiving official emails on a private, home-brew, server qualifies as concealment all on its own--and she has undoubtedly deleted emails without running them through government servers first, which qualifies as destroying government records.

She has committed a crime.

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Strikes me as being rather favorable to her actually.

"Yeaaahhhh, she's a cold, calculating fish. But she's not stupid enough to do something like cover up Benghazi."

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AP FACT-CHECK: HILLARY’S EMAIL EXCUSES DON’T HOLD WATER

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No idea whether it was a crime, but the perception of an absence of transparency sure was dumb.


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Lack of transparency like this has never been a major issue with voters. Hell Romney had the taxpayers in his state pay to have all the government computers destroyed and replaced when he was a gov. Jeb operated his own server and only released selected e-mails just recently. A double standard is being applied by the press on this.


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What are the applicable rules of each state that were in effect when, respectively, Bush and Romney were governors and were their actions violative of those states' rules?

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Well seems like the same thing with Hillary. That "liberal" media has already had to walk back it's original reporting on this. It appears she broke no laws. I think if she actually had republicans would have already seen to criminal charges being filed.


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Obama adviser behind leak of Hillary Clinton’s email scandal: It’s the vast left-wing conspiracy. Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett leaked to the press details of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail address.

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Carville admits: Hillary did it to hide emails from congress.

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Apparently they're saying now that emails within the state department are FOIA exempt. I heard it on the news, but I can't find any articles for it.

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The 80%-plus liberal media will criticize Hillary Clinton at this early stage. But as soon as she becomes the Democrat nominee, they will revert back to "Old news, nothing to see here, move along..."

Hillary Clinton could be revealed to drown babies in a bathtub, and the media would still support her candidacy and selectively omit all negative coverage, when it comes down to the actual election.

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The New Yorker reports Obama's camp is riled by it. Obama operates on the presumption of super-transparency. The feeling is that the Clintons like their secrets, and have learned nothing.

I wonder if this came out now so by the time the nominations get underway, it will indeed be old news.


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Well I'm not sure which candidates end up being significantly more transparent than Hillary if compared. This isn't something voters really care about beyond partisans and a bored "liberal" media. She's the one all the candidates and media know they have to beat.


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 Originally Posted By: First Amongst Daves
Obama operates on the presumption of super-transparency.


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Oh, you're... serious. I believe that several reporters have said that this administration has been one of the most secretive.


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Obama operates on the presumption of super-transparency.


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Oh, you're... serious. I believe that several reporters have said that this administration has been one of the most secretive.



Yes, that is for sure unintentional comedy gold. Even career reporters for the New York Times and Washington Post, pillars of the liberal media, have said in recent years that the Obama administration is anything but open, in its unprecedented attacks on and prosecution of whistle-blowers, that decades-seasoned WP and N Y Times reporters describe as the most "control-freak" administration they've dealt with, and "worse than Richard Nixon".

Ask Fox reporter James Rosen, who was indicted just for talking to a White House source, how "transparent" the Obama administration is. The Obama administration has no moral high ground to judge the Clintons or anyone else.

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Obama operates on the presumption of super-transparency.


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Oh, you're... serious. I believe that several reporters have said that this administration has been one of the most secretive.




Associated Press: The Obama administration set a record again for censoring government files or outright denying access to them last year under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, according to a new analysis of federal data.

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I am beginning to believe that O and Company are going to try to pass the ball to the GOP in 2016 just to bring down the Clinton faction of the Democrat Party.

Think they are probably sifting through all the emails right now for the one that does not have Prezzy@whitehouse.gov cc`d.

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Hillary Clinton deleted all email from personal server: Clinton did not have an official government email account, so her personal server was the primary repository for her emails during her time as secretary of state.

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"Wiped" is the more accurate term.

How is it that the MEMs of the world can actually say that they trust her (and keep a straight face)?

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Politico further points out that the emails were under subpoena at the time:
  • Clinton was under a subpoena order from the panel for all documents related to the 2012 attacks on the American compound there. But David Kendall, an attorney for Clinton, said the 900 pages of emails previously provided to the panel cover its request.

    Kendall also informed the committee that Clinton’s emails from her time at the State Department have been permanently erased.


Depending on how this develops that could be obstruction of justice or some other criminal act.

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Hillary, the Democrats’ Nixon: She’s secretive, scandal-plagued, and seemingly inevitable.

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Associated Press: Hillary Rodham Clinton emailed her staff on an iPad as well as a BlackBerry while secretary of state, despite her explanation she exclusively used a personal email address on a homebrew server so that she could carry a single device.

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I think the e-mails are definitely there to incriminate Hillary Clinton and destroy her candidacy. The only question is whether the media and her party want to get past it and make her the Dems' 2016 nominee anyway. Through Reid, Pelosi, Obama and many others in the Democrat party, there seems to be a cynical and corrupt gloating belligerence of yeah, we did it, so what? We can still get away with it and there's nothing you can do to stop us.

Is the media that carried Obama's water and is 80% liberal, and has a continuous behavior of reporting these type of scandals way harder when a Republican does the same or far less (Herman Cain vs. Anthony Weiner, where Cain got twice the scandal-coverage despite that there was never any proof of the allegations against Cain, while Weiner's texting his penis photos and sexting was absolutely proven. Media coverage of the Mark Foley scandal vs. media coverage of far greater transgressions by Rep. Gerry Studds or Rep. Barney Frank. W. Bush's media-spotlighted golf vs. Obama's far greater and far less reported golf, Bush's $40 million 2005 inauguration vs. Obama's far less reported $160 million 2008 inauguration...) going to pursue this story continuously? I doubt it.

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If charges are to be brought against Hillary Clinton over her e-mails, Eric Holder's justice department has to file charges, and I don't see that happening. Again, corruption. Liberal-partisan zeal trumps even the slightest semblance of Democrat ethics.



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The media is excited about this mostly because they hope it might encourage Warren or O'Malley to get in. As noted before, once the Hildebeast is the nominee they'll drop this like the proverbial hot potato.

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lol, what would she be charged with? Breaking a guideline? Having both an Ipad and a blackberry?


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
lol, what would she be charged with? Breaking a guideline? Having both an Ipad and a blackberry?


1) Risking top secret State Department information by unlawfully sending that information through an unsecure State Dept account that can be more easily hacked by enemy foreign powers.

2) Violating federal law through her non-compliance (that Hillary Clinton, ironically, prosecuted State Dept subordinates for violating)

3) Perjury, for her official story that is now unravelling.


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Partisan bs charges WB. If the GOP actual had solid legal ground to charge Hillary on anything they would have done it. Once again you guys sit on your mound of divisive shit politics and try to fling it as far as you can. Middle America isn't going to buy it and you'll have to actually run a candidate against Hillary.


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Loving the religious freedom law fallout btw. \:\)


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Partisan bs charges WB. If the GOP actual had solid legal ground to charge Hillary on anything they would have done it. Once again you guys sit on your mound of divisive shit politics and try to fling it as far as you can. Middle America isn't going to buy it and you'll have to actually run a candidate against Hillary.


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The LAW is partisan B.S. ?!?

The only reason Hillary Clinton isn't indicted is because the Democrat-controlled Department of Justice of Eric Holder is an arm of the Obama administration, that has no interest in actual justice, and is only interested in protecting Democrat power.



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Shock: CBS Covers Own Poll on Declining Support for Hillary Clinton Following E-Mail Scandal

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After the network morning and evening newscasts ignored a Reuters poll showing tumbling support for Hillary Clinton last week, the CBS Evening News bucked the trend and covered the results of its own poll that also found dwindling support for Clinton in light of recent scandals. While the program spent only 32 seconds on the results of the poll, anchor Scott Pelley was still able to highlight three key results from the poll that served as bad news for former Secretary of State Clinton as she’s expected to launch a presidential campaign in the near future.

Before informing viewers of a few findings, Pelley first observed that her “e-mail scandal is taking a toll” on her “image as she gets ready to run for president.”

Diving into the results of the poll with graphics popping up alongside him, Pelley reported that “29 percent of Americans say their opinion of her has grown worse as a result of revelations that she used her personal e-mail account for State Department business.”

To help illustrate how much support she’s been losing, Pelley brought up the fact that her favorability rating “has fallen sharply from 38 percent” in a CBS News poll from November 2013 to just 26 percent in the new poll unveiled Thursday morning.

In the final statistic mentioned in the news brief, Pelley remarked that “less than half, just 42 percent, say Mrs. Clinton is honest and trustworthy.”

Also in the poll (but not covered on television) is a question as to whether respondents thought Clinton’s actions of using exclusively a private e-mail account and server were “appropriate” or “not appropriate.” A strong majority of 62 percent found that her conduct was not appropriate while on 25 percent thought what she did was appropriate.

While CBS covered the poll results and a DOJ report detailing “sex parties” attended by Drug Enforcement (DEA) agents after its segments on the top stories of the Germanwings plane crash and gas explosion in New York City, ABC’s World News Tonight used 35-seconds of its remaining airtime to cover the final vote and farewell speech of the scandal-ridden Republican Congressman Aaron Schock (Ill.).

Anchor David Muir played it up as “the big headline from Washington this evening” as Schock “cast[ed] his final vote” and “offer[ed] some parting words.” Following a soundbite for his farewell address, Muir noted that Schock mentioned how his Illinois district had once been represented by Abraham Lincoln prior to his time as president.



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It seems to me it would be easy for some hacker to recover Hillary's e-mails. Even if she took a sledgehammer to the hard-drive and completely destroyed it, the e-mails could be recovered from the other end, from the e-mail accounts of the people she is known to have sent them to, such as Houma Abedin and her other personal and State Department staffers.

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
lol, what would she be charged with? Breaking a guideline? Having both an Ipad and a blackberry?


From Thompson-Reuters (a leading legal research and news site, not a 'partisan bs' blog, btw):
  • While Clinton claims she violated no law, this may be premature...

    In addition to violating a State Department rule, her admitted destruction of over 30,000 emails raises serious questions of violation of the statutes. She later turned over 50,000 pages emails, but she did that with hard copy, not in electronic format, so they are a lot harder to search. Also, hard copy printouts do not include electronic “metadata,” which can provide crucial forensic evidence....

    Even though the law may not require a person to create a document, it is the crime (18 U.S.C. §1519) to destroy a document to prevent it from being subpoenaed. The Government’s burden of proof is light. The Department of Justice manual advises that §1591 makes prosecution much easier because it covers “any matters” or “’in relation to or contemplation of’ any matters.” It adds, “No corrupt persuasion is required.” Section 1519 imposes up to 20 years imprisonment for what commentators call, “anticipatory obstruction of justice.” The Federal prosecutor does not have to establish that any investigation is pending. As one criminal defense expert explained, the prosecutor “need only prove that the defendant shredded the documents, at least in part, to make life more difficult for future investigators, if and when they eventually appear.” As the court explained in United States v. Ionia Mgmt., S.A., 526 F.Supp.2d 319, 329 (D.Conn.2007), “In comparison to other obstruction statutes, § 1519 by its terms does not require the defendant to be aware of a federal proceeding, or even that a proceeding be pending.”

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