Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The law didn’t force Trump to have sex with a porn star and then pay hush money to keep her quiet before an election. There was a time this would have been a problem for a candidate for our highest office. After Jan 6 I already know his supporters will support him no matter what. It’s also unlikely that Trump will see jail time for this as he will certainly appeal. That will take years.

You mean the porn star (Stormy Daniels) who wrote and signed a sworn written affidavitt that she did NOT have sexual relations with Trump?

And further received $160,000 in payment in a non-disclosure agreement with Trump. (And actually, an agreement with attorney Michael Cohen, by all evidence without even Trump's knowledge, and Trump just reimbursed Cohen for legal expenses AFTER the fact, AFTER the election.
And an utterly disreputable Michael Cohen further lied to Trump about legal expenses, to embezzle a further $60,000 from Trump. ("Were you lying then Mr. Cohen, or are you lying now?")


Likewise Stormy Daniels (a k a, Melanie Clifford) who first met Donald Trump in 2006, and was trying to cozy up to Trump to get a spot on Trump's The Apprentice program.
And it was only AFTER she was denied a slot (for her slit) on The Apprentice tha she said to others that she was going to make money off Trump somehow, and amid a book she published, plus a "Let's make America horny again" travelling stripper tour nationwide, plus selling Stormy Daniels merchandise exploiting her implied sex withTrump.
And somewhere along the line making allegations that she had a sexual relationship with Trump, said by her MUCH LATER, when she'd exhausted her other exploitations of her alleged tryst wih Trump, only at that point, then looked for a way to extort money from Trump directly from a non-disclosure agreement payoff, NOT because it actually happened, but just to extort cash from Trump to silence her.

As I said before, I initially believed Trump had slept with Stormy Daniels.
But as the evidence has come out of Stormy Daniels' consistent manipulative behavior over the last 2 decades, and her spiteful attitude and manipulation of many others (her ex-husband described her as a "complete psychopath"), and that it was only AFTER she had been rejected as a contestant on The Apprentice that she ever began to allege she had a sexual relationship of any kind with Trump.
At first alleging that she had a CONSENSUAL relationship with Trump (videotaped saying this, in an interview years ago).
And only 18 years later in court, did she allege that Trump FORCED himself on her. (AGAIN a case of : "Were you lying then, Ms. Clifford, or are you lying now?")

Add to that how, in addition to other well documented cons and treachery on her part, how Stormy Daniels is a hyper-partisan Democrat who has many times said she would say ANYTHING to prevent Trump from being elected.

If Trump had actually slept with Stormy Daniels, he would have just given her a spot right away on he Apprentice.
That he didn't, it seems clear to me that Trump decided she wasn't worth the grief, seeing that she was of a type he had dealt with before, a type that would spitefully allege untrue things just to exploit him later, if he let her get too close. So I think he didn't have sex with her, and she has ever since been exploiting a false "Trump had sex with me" card to the hilt.
It is a FACT she has changed her story a dozen times over in the last 18 years, so she, like Michael Cohen, is completely unbelievable, and has spiteful greed/extortion motivation to accuse Trump. And also a vindictive partisan political reason to accuse Trump.

Re: "The law didn’t force Trump to have sex with a porn star and then pay hush money to keep her quiet before an election. "

PROVE this is true.
You can't. You are just a Leftist partisan who is eager to accept any slander that damages Trump and lets your Democrat-Bolshevik party win in 2024.
Despite the colossal contradictions in the stories of Melanie Clifford/Stormy Daniels.
And also the contradictions of Michael Cohen, who has been repeatedly found guilty of perjury and other crimes.
Not made-up crimes that no one has ever been prosecuted for before, as in the cases against Trump, but ACTUAL crimes by Cohen, such as tax evasion, embezzlement, and fraud with his cab business.

Re: " There was a time this would have been a problem for a candidate for our highest office."

lol lol lol

Ohhh, you sound so, SO principled !!
Uh... BILL CLINTON?
Ted Kennedy, JFK, RFK, LBJ, FDR ?!?
Barney Frank?
Gerry Studds?
We've had this conversation before. For you, sexual affairs are only an issue when they involve REPUBLICANS, only then are they a shameful and terrible thing that should remove a sitting political leader, or disqualify a new candidate from gaining office, no matter how unproven (Donald Trump, Herman Cain, Roy Moore, Brett Kavanaugh).
Your hypocrisy is on full display.

And you can't prove that Trump or any of the other Republicans I listed are guilty of anything.
The Democrat-Bolsheviks always convict them in the court of public opinion, NOT in an actual court.

In the case of Juan Merchan's court, that is so obviously a rigged trial, where the judge selected a partisan jury in a 90% ultra-partisan Trump hating venue, a Trump hating partisan Democrat judge who conducted the trial in a hyper-partisan way, who "sustained" every prosecution objection, "over-ruled" and shut down every Trump defense objection and presentation of witnesses and exculpatory evidence (PRIME EXAMPLE: testimony by Michael Cohen's former attorney Robert Costello who was shut down by Merchan every time he opened his mouth to testify what he knew about Michael Cohen) , with a hyper-partisan Alvin Bragg as prosecutor.
A trial rigged at every turn with suppressed evidence and suppressed facts, NOT a fair trial, a clearly Soviet-style show trial.

As the highest legal scholars Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz and many others have said.
Alan Dershowitz further said "it was the weakest case I've seen prosecuted in 60 years of law practice."

And just today, a post on the court's website reveals a juror revealed to him, posted a day in advance of the verdict, that the jury would convict Trump, which apparently this person and his "friend" on the jury gleefully celebrated.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny...case-family-member-before-guilty-verdict
Which once confirmed, will result in throwing out the verdict, WITH PREJUDICE. Because the thing has been so corrupt from start to finish.





But conversely, when sexual allegations involve Democrat political leaders ...PERFECTLY FINE. Nothing to see here.

30 years after Bill and Hillary Clinton were in office, none of the major [liberal] networks have ever even given an interview to any of Bill Clinton's accusers.

I loved during a Trump / Hillary debate in 2020, how these 3 women accusers of Bill Clinton were seated right up front in the debate audience, to shake up Hillary Clinton, because she was as guilty as Bill in covering up the rapes and assaults, and no one worked harder to destroy the lives, credibility and reputations of husband Bill's victims.
NOT because Hillary ever believed these women were lying, but just to crush anyone who got in the way of her and Bill's political ambitions, no matter how wronged these woman were by Bill and Hillary.

Re: "After Jan 6 I already know his supporters will support him no matter what. It’s also unlikely that Trump will see jail time for this as he will certainly appeal. That will take years."

The January 6th fake narrative by Democrats was a counter-narrative created to gloss over and hide the ACTUAL "insurrection" that occurred in about 600 cities nationwide, due to the Democrat/Left's orchestrated George Floyd / Black Lives Matter /Antifa protests.
Attempting to sweep away that ACTUAL insurrection under a FAKE January 6th narrative, where no one on Jan 6 was killed by protesters, and no buildings were looted and burned on January 6th.

Aside from officer Brian Sicknick (age 42) whose brother the coroner told that Sicknick (who by the way, was a Trump supporter who wrote his congressman opposing the Jan 2020 impeachment) died of a stroke, from natural causes.
The four others who died on Jan 6th are argued to have all been killed by Democrat-Bolshevik police excessive force.

UNARMED Ashli Babbitt (age 35) was shot for no reason by a Capitol Police Lieutenant (Michael Byrd).

The remaining three, Rosanne Boyland (34), Kevin Greeson (55), and Benjamin Philips (50) , all had pre-diagnosed fragile health conditions, and on Jan 6th were struck over and over by concussion grenades by police (or by false-flag FBI disguised as police.)

I earlier posted a photo of one of the officers repeatedly firing concussion grenades into a passive crowd of Trump supporters, just standing outside the Capitol, just waving flags. The police officer in the photo (holding a concussion grenade launcher) is still oddly unidentified almost 4 years later, which probably means he is a protected undercover federal agent. from the 97% Democrat-donating FBI.