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Trump seems okay, but it did graze his ear. One person in stands is reported dead. No suspects. I'm not interested in throwing any shade or blame yet. I just hope Trump is well, the family of the deceased will see justice, and the shooter is caught soon. Don't care about your politics. This is a bad day for America.

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I wonder if this will encourage revenge shootings. " You shoot our guy we'll shoot two of your guys!"

It could even lead to that civil war or purge people have been wanting.


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May as well at this point. It isn't bringing anyone together or anything. People on the left saying it is Reichstag moment. People on the right saying it was a Biden/Deep State attempt to remove him from the table. The more these things narratives get ahead of any of the facts, the less of an impact I think this might have on Election Day. It is becoming more and more just another day of crazy in the usual whirlwind of noxious politics.

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Haven’t seen those comments coming from democrat elected officials on my end. Trump is also calling for unity but I’m seeing people high up in the Republican Party that immediately blamed Biden for the attempt. Not because of any evidence but that’s where the gop is these days


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Haven’t seen those comments coming from democrat elected officials on my end. Trump is also calling for unity but I’m seeing people high up in the Republican Party that immediately blamed Biden for the attempt. Not because of any evidence but that’s where the gop is these days

Elected officials, no. I have seen a lot of horrendous stuff coming from the leftist parts of the hoi polloi. Of course, JD Vance and some of the usual culprits on the right are doing their things. Most dem leaders seem to have done a solid job of shutting up though.

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I went to the football (AFL) yesterday with a Texan friend. She is a Democrat, and she instantly put it down to a false flag operation. I was astounded.

I'm being a bit careful about social media as the moment as the bots are out in force. Thanks very much, Glavset.

There is an amazing graphic on Reddit which shows that if Trump had turned his head right, the bullet would have taken the back of his skull off. He was exceptionally lucky. But I think you, Americans, are also very lucky. If Trump had been killed, then there would be some well-armed rioters on the streets at the moment.


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Lots of nutjob conspiracy theories everywhere on the internet now.

What's with the MAGA devotees wearing fake bandages on their right ears? Solidarity or cult-y?


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Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
I went to the football (AFL) yesterday with a Texan friend. She is a Democrat, and she instantly put it down to a false flag operation. I was astounded.

I'm being a bit careful about social media as the moment as the bots are out in force. Thanks very much, Glavset.

There is an amazing graphic on Reddit which shows that if Trump had turned his head right, the bullet would have taken the back of his skull off. He was exceptionally lucky. But I think you, Americans, are also very lucky. If Trump had been killed, then there would be some well-armed rioters on the streets at the moment.

That's what got me. There were even people I've generally regarded as level headed that went immediately to a conspiracy by Trump/the Trump Campaign. I was floored. I think there are still a lot of answers we don't have, but I really don't understand having to fill in the blanks where those answers don't exist.

The amazing part is how each side can take very circumstantial evidence and paint a whole picture. I fear for my country more from that than from most of what else happened.

Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
Lots of nutjob conspiracy theories everywhere on the internet now.

What's with the MAGA devotees wearing fake bandages on their right ears? Solidarity or cult-y?

The fake bandages were ridiculous, but a large part of the RNC was Debordian spectacle so I can only shrug at this point.

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The FBI has been slow-walking the investigation of what happened 8 days ago, where 20-year-old shooter Crooks almost killed Donald Trump at his Butler, Pennsylvania rally.

FBI is "still investigating" and has yet to tell us much of anything about Thomas Mathew Crooks, his ideology, his social media posts, how he was able to smuggle a gun into the Trump rally, how or why he was able to create explosive devices he had in his car, about his psychological profile and mental problems (his parents are both clinical psychologists, who called police to report their son missing the day of the shooting, HOURS before the shooting, and oh, by the way, his father's AK-47 is missing) and former President Trump just happens to be in town for a campaign rally that day.



Conservative media, NOT the FBI, are the ones pointing out that Secret Service broke just about every rule of their own security procedures that day, and they did not secure the roof of the building Trump was shot from, just 150 yards away.
Rallygoers observed shooter Crooks behaving suspiciously for about 3 hours before the rally, Secret Service was alerted to Crooks' location over an hour in advance, and yet Crooks was left alone on the roof to open fire on Trump,. And ONLY AFTER the shooter fired 8 shots at Trump was he killed seconds later.
It's as if Secret Service wanted to let someone in to kill Trump, and only after he took his shot and killed Trump did they want to be able to say, well, we killed the shooter, but unfortunately not in time to save the President.


And the 97% Democrat donating FBI and DOJ are essentially sweeping the facts under the rug about the Trump shooting and Secret Service's negligence, and perhaps even conspiracy to let Trump be shot, at least until after the Nov 2024 election, before revealing the facts of what Secret Service did wrong, and the shooter's actions, his advance preparation and motivation. If ever revealed by FBI.

Just like FBI's many other deceptions, failures and PROVEN multiple Democrat-partisan conspiracies.
FBI are THE LAST agency that should be trusted to investigate this assassination attempt, and Secret Service's part in it.
Like the Afghanistan withdrawal, the failures are so jaw-droppingly enormous, there is NO WAY these gaps in security procedures were just accidental.

Just like the "Russia Collusion" FBI investigation, and "Crossfire Hurricane".

And the Mueller special investigation of Trump, another fake prop of the Democrat party the FBI is proven to be eagerly part of staging
That FBI knew in the first 2 months there was no case for "Russia Collusion" by Trump to warrant continuing he investigation. But they stretched out the investigation for 2 and 1/2 more years, to leave an air of corruption over Trump and the Republican party up through the Nov 2018 mid-term elections.

Or the self incriminating messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, about using their FBI power to "stop" Trump from becoming president, and Strzok setting up an "insurance policy" to smear Trump and bury him in federal investigation if he succeeded in becoming president in 2016. (And they did. )
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Or FBI faking the documents (FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith) when filing FOUR separate FISA warrants, every 3 months for an entire year in 2016-2017.
To spy on the Trump campaign for 6 months, and then spy on the Trump White House for another 6 months, even after Trump was elected, and FBI knew he was innocent. of any crime.

Or FBI, in unison with other federal intelligence agencies, working to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop evidence, in doing so rigging the 2020 presidential election.(The fake public letter from 51 intelligence officials , labelling he Hunter Biden laptop as "Russian disinformaion", and the FBI and CIA involvement in he "Twiter files" revealed by Elon Musk.

Or FBI's suppressed evidence of Paul Pelosi's totalling his car (with a hooker/mistress in the passenger seat, identity never revealed) and Pelosi visibly severely intoxicated (police body-cam video) when he did it.
And just a couple months later, the Paul Pelosi hammer attack incident in his home by a Canadian illegal immigrant male prostitute, another incident suppressed for political reasons, the full facts never revealed. Suppressed to protect the Pelosis, and benefit Nancy Pelosi right before the 2022 mid-term elections, with the selectively omitted facts portraying the Pelosis as victims, and implying against the true facts that the attacker was a "right wing Trump supporter", despite that he was a gay/Lefist illegal immigrant.

Or FBI's investigation of the transgender-woman who shot up a private Christian school in the Nashville area and killed 5 people, adults and children, and FBI investigators (over a year later now) NEVER revealed the trannie shooter's social media posts or gay/trans/anti-Christian manifesto. Because that would reflect badly on people that the 97% Democrat FBI favors, and would hurt the Democrat party politically. If the shooter had been a "right wing Trump supporter" they would have disclosed the posts and manifesto in the first hour.

The Crowdstrike alleged DNC hacking of files. Where FBI propped up the narrative that the DNC was victim of a hacking, but never actually investigated. Because an actual investigation would have proven the servers were not hacked as the DNC alleged. And since the FBI was on Team Democrat, they never pushed to investigate, and just let the DNC push the narrative that they were hacked, with no evidence they actually were hacked.

The FBI's 2016 Hillary Clinton deposition, where they didn't even record the interview, despite that FBI protocol is that they always record their interviews. So that Hillary Clinton could never be proven guilty of perjury. And she was guilty of, for openers, gross negligence, obstructing an FBI investigation, and destroying at least 30,000 subpoenaed documents that would have proven pay-to-play by foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation, in exchange for access and favors from Hillary Clinton's State Department.

As contrasted with the FBI's Michael Flynn interview, where FBI didn't inform the White House counsel in advance (as is required) they were going to interview Flynn, and James Comey gloated in a videotaped conference he tricked Flynn and the Trump White House, and opposite Hillary where she was actually guilty of crimes, FBI created a perjury trap for AN INNOCENT MAN, just to remove him from office as DNI director. FBI maliciously prosecuted Flynn, and bankrupted Flynn with $ 6 million he had to spend on his legal defense against those false charges. And finally when Flynn was bankrupted and unable to continue his legal defense, FBI further threatened to charge and imprison Flynn's son, if Flynn would not plead guilty and take a plea deal. Which Flynn was forced to do.
And then Flynn with new counsel fought to break the plea deal for another 2 years, was convicted in a rigged venue by a hung judge and jury.
And was finally pardoned by President Trump.

The Ted Stevens FBI prosecution. (Malicious prosecution, falsely convicted, U S Supreme Court unanimously overturned the FBI's prosecution.)

The Scooter Libby FBI prosecution (Richard Armitage years later revealed that he was the one who unwittingly outed Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, not Scooter Libby. But Libby remained imprisoned for years, until Trump finally pardoned him.)



On and on, the many clear examples of political bias and untrustworthiness of the FBI.

These are THE LAST people who should be trusted to investigate a presidential assassination attempt on Trump, of a president they clearly hate, of a Secret Service that made egregious breaks in protocol that allowed the shooting of Trump to occur.
Comparable to the gaps in protocol by the FBI over the last 20 years, in the examples I listed above.

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U S Secret Service
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service


It used to be part of the Treasury Department, devoted entirely to investigating counterfeiting of U.S. currency.
Since 1901, a portion of Secret Service has been assigned to protecting U.S. presidents. And has about 8,300 agents.

I was unaware till now that since 2003, Secret Service was moved to become part of the Department of Homeland Security (that is about as politicized and untrustworthy as the FBI).

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I was pretty sure this and the RNC convention would have given Trump a boost in the polls but it really didn’t. And once Biden stepped down as nominee and it’s now Harris Trump’s lead is gone!


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I was pretty sure this and the RNC convention would have given Trump a boost in the polls but it really didn’t. And once Biden stepped down as nominee and it’s now Harris Trump’s lead is gone!
Same. Color me surprised that an assassination attempt has proven so meaningless this cycle. Think the kid just being crazy rather the "liberal crazy" neutered its use to a degree.


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