RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Fookin' Hurricanes!

Western North Carolina got hammered. I'm one of the few people in my neighborhood with power. Asheville got cut off from all but airlifts. Amazing to see what happens when the once in a lifetime thing hits the infrastructure not built for the once in a lifetime thing.

Glad you’re okay Iggy. These “once in a lifetime” events sure do seem to be happening a lot more! I was affected by the storms in August that crippled NE Ohio. I left work early to race the storm home since I have an hour commute and just hit town as soon as it began. We had no power for days and hotels were charging hundreds of dollars a night. It was crazy to see the dozens of vehicles staging from the electric company at schools and stadiums. Fortunately I had plenty of water and beer to get me through it!

Glad you're ok iggy. Airlifts! People on rooftops?

It is pretty nuts. Three more currently in play, with hurricane warnings for Spain as one seems likely to travel east!!

Glad you are okay Iggy! It’s so sad seeing all the destruction and damage

Thanks, all. It is insane what's happening in the mountains here. Now, Milton is ready to devastate Florida so we're really going to need people to be able to concentrate on two things at once. Three things, if we can get people to simply acknowledge there might be something we could do to keep this from getting worse.

How did it go for you?

We did okay overall. Asheville is still a mess though. There's people playing politics with relief. Now, I'm just riding by wreckage everyday until it finally gets cleaned up. There's a transformer and broken power lines just lying on the side of the road on my street because they had to do makeshift repairs and go off to fix other places. Doesn't look very "first world," but that's just perception. Biggest disappointment is not a single soul seems to have thought about how this showed the precarious nature of the system and its infrastructure.

Doog, I don't know why people cannot just accept some level of contribution for climate change and what it is doing to the weather, but that's apparently where we are. Fair skepticism became denialism amazingly quickly. I'm still open to natural processes contributing, but watching the world burn lest we destroy the economy is quite the false dichotomy. Glad you weathered it when it happened to you.

I think many people struggle without a straight line cause and effect. Climate change is the result of complex interacting factors.

You've also got this overlay of job security. "Rising sea levels and storm surges are all well and good but how do I feed my kids if the coal-fired station I work in gets shut down?"

But in the long-term, I think we're already fucked by the end of the century. Not extinct-fucked, but way-of-life fucked. Fighting over resources is going to lead to more wars, and serious ones. There's a political shitshow happening over both the Nile and the Mekong at the moment. What happens if Taiwan destroys the Three Gorges Dam? Monumental loss of life, global economic collapse, tens of millions of Chinese citizens run out of power and water, Taipei glassed.

If the Gulf Stream goes to shit and Atlantic fish stocks collapse, I guess there will be fighting between North American and South / Central American countries over fish. Already Chinese fishing fleets border the Galapagos Islands, which is very far away from their home ports.

Oh, here you go, its worse than I'd guessed: https://www.arcticiceproject.org/the-looming-threat-what-happens-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/

Imagine what we are seeing in Tuvulu occurring in somewhere like Bangladesh. A hundred million people up to their knees in sea water. Mass deaths, millions of people trying to get into India, China, Central Asia.

There have been ice ages and hot ages as long as there's been a planet Earth, and there is zero evidence to date that any change in the weather (or "global warming", or "climate change") are a result of human activity or pollution.

I've seen interviews of multiple dissenting meteorologists with decades of their careers studying the weather, present the actual facts, that there is no evidence human behavior is changing the environment, or that weather is in fact getting worse. That there is, in fact, still a lower level of storm activity than in other decades of the last 100 years.
But I would agree that with a larger global population, when severe weather storms occur, their damage now impacts more people.

The Earth in the last 100 years has only risen one tenth of one degree in temperature ( 0.1 degrees) in the last 100 years.
I'm open to the idea that in the future it could be proven to be the result of human activity at some point, just that at this time it has not been proven.

And I have increasing distrust of the ideologically dug-in scientific community we rely on for our environmental "facts".
Over the last 20 years or so, when they say there is "a 96% consensus among scientists" of the authenticity of global warming theory, that is because the liberal/progressive/activist Left controls the scientific community and the universtiies where scientific research is done. And any scientist or academic who expresses dissent or just scientific objectivity and skepticism will find themselves ostracized, unemployed, and at the very least not promoted.
So very few are willing to risk that dissent.

Further, the example about 15 years ago, where scientists in both North America and Europe were together cooking the books to make new global warming research conform to their pre-existing theories of global warming. I'm amazed anyone still believes anything they say after that.


There's also the Cultural Marxist use of environmentalist "global warming" paranoia as a weapon to control people. As exemplified in the UN's written Agenda 21 plan, to move people out of rural areas where they can have their own farmland and create their own food, and have their own values and pass them on to their children. Agenda 21, in the holy name of global warming, gives them the authoritarian power to move them off of rural land and concentrate them in cities, where they can be more easily surveiled, controlled and indoctrinated. And their ability to pass on their beliefs to their children are blocked by ubiquitous messaging of the state. And unable to grow their own food, the state can take away their jobs, their self-sufficiency and even their food supply, and starve them into submission.

An example from history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

And the authoritarian socialism/Marxism of Stalinist Russia is not so different from that of the lunatic Marxists in the Obama and Biden administrations and those in Europe envision for the nation.
Obama's fortunately rejected "Cap and Trade" system involved "carbon credits" and monitoring the thermostat of every home, and monitoring units installed in every car, that would measure the location and distance travelled, and to where, of every person in the U.S..
And once rejected, Marxist Democrats are just finding new ways to re-package and push these controls on us in another form.

Which is why I increasingly see "Climate Change" as just another made-up con to impose Democrat/Marxist authoritarian controls on us, in the name of pseudo-science.

We have a saying. "There's a few kangaroos short in the top paddock".

Look at these sea water temperatures, year by year:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09...5c-above-pre-industrial-levels/102836304

It is the third chart here that I watch, and find very depressing: https://climate.copernicus.eu/recor...ures-contribute-extreme-marine-heatwaves This chart measure sea water temps on a year by year basis.

But these are short duration charts. When we strip out politics from your post (which you raise as the reason why scientists are lying across the world, as a global conspiracy to set up a parallel to Stalin's man-made famine in Ukraine!), you seem to have the idea that we should take a longue duree approach to assessing climate change. That of itself is a valid response, because humans tend to operate on primacy and recency in memory and in drawing conclusions.

Let's look at long duration measurements. The sources for these are as I understand it analysis of ice core samples.

A little bit down this page is a chart showing levels of CO2 for the last 10000 years: https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=4&t=101&&a=55

Now, CO2 levels have been higher in the past than what they are now. During these periods of time, the planet was not capable of sustaining complex life. Here's another graph: https://earth.org/data_visualization/a-brief-history-of-co2/

We have also had temperature fluctuations over the past 400000. We have happy days during interglacial periods. On track records, our current interglacial period is wrapping up about 4000 years too early: https://co2coalition.org/facts/interglacials-usually-last-10000-15000-years-ours-is-11000-years-old/

You might dismiss my data as biased, because of that global conspiracy theory and you like to play the ad hominem logical fallacy.

But the thing I find most disconcerting about you, as an individual, and your far right climate change politicisation and dismissal is that, setting aside what should be no argument about cause, the effect is in front of you. You're a resident of Florida! If you're in southern Florida, you may as well be a resident of the Maldives but with worse weather.

I don't know how old you are. Assuming you're younger than me, do you really think you'll be living there in 20 years? Your property will be worthless in the meantime because you won't have a market for it, and uninsurable because insurers won't back it.

I'd take no pleasure in saying, "I told you so."

Bolsheviks aren't causing repeated catastrophes in Florida. It is as if you're expecting your political belief system and confirmation bias will hold back hurricanes and prevent the destruction of your residential asset base. Your politics isn't going to create a big green glowing sea wall as if you're Breitbart Lantern.

Doesn't that give you a fissure of nervousness?

(Also, as an aside, if you think there is a global urbanisation conspiracy, do you have your own self-sustaining farm? That doesn't sound very Florida but I don't know as I've never been.)

One last thing:

"Which is why I increasingly see "Climate Change" as just another made-up con to impose Democrat/Marxist authorittarian conrols on us, in name of pseudo-science."

What's your worldview? Most Western democracies are left of US politics, and those politicians who are right wing - Le Pen, Farage - never manage to get into power. Is the rest of the Western world Marxist other than the deep red GOP of the United States?

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