Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You continue to illustrate my point WB. Btw I’ve seen you dismiss and attack life long republicans elected officials and conservative judges because they don’t bend the knee to Trump. I’ve seen you attack law enforcement for publicly talking about the injuries they received on Jan 6. You have no principle other than whatever serves Trump. You’re not fooling anyone about wanting justice. The next 2 years will be rough for this country but I see America begin correcting course in the midterms.

As for Dershowiz and Turley, I haven’t really heard much from Alan after the Epstein stuff and his whole affair with signing onto some really bad legal argument and then trying to argue he shouldn’t be held accountable.
Turley frames his writing that I’ve seen in such a way it’s pretty obvious that he isn’t a democrat. He’s sort of like a mob boss lawyer. He makes the best legal defense he can for his guy and or avoids commenting to much that will displease his maga audience like yourself.


I reject your argument that I "dismiss and attack lifelong Republicans / elected officials /judges" just because they "don't bend the knee to Trump."
I've been CRYSTAL clear in my posts why based on THE FACTS I condemned these Republicans' actions (Mike Pence, John Roberts, Mich McConnell, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Susan Collins, and low-level self-promoters like Alyssa Fara in Trump's first term who used betraying Trump to get high-paying positions on shows like The View) .
I condemned them because the law was on Trump's side, and it was their legal duty to stand by Trump because he was right, not because I somehow inconsistently bashed them for just not blindly supporting Trump. (I would cite more specific examples, but you just made a sweeping statement without ANY examples, so unless you can first cite factual examples, I won't bother responding with more examples. And really, I'm just speculating who you might mean, because you gave absolutely no cited examples or facts to back your allegations.)



As for my "attack law enforcement for publicly talking about the injuries they received on Jan 6", (again, no cited examples by you), I NEVER did that.

I specifically excoriated 4 officers who testified before the January 6th committee for acting as Democrat agents, and not as detached witness cops. In Jan 6th hearings, they continuously made incendiary partisan remarks and read from a script CLEARLY WRITTEN FOR THEM BY SOMEONE ELSE, that was CLEARLY not in their own words, and was laughably in partisan words that THEY COULD NOT EVEN PRONOUNCE WHEN READING THEIR PROVIDED SCRIPTS. Clearly not their own words.

They were NOT police officers just testifying in their own words what they witnessed on January 6th, they were behaving as props for the Democrat party's false narrative.
In the months BEFORE their testimony, and in their testimony that they clumsily and inarticulately read from someone else's script THAT DAY in the Jan 6th hearings, they were acting as partisan Democrat party agents, NOT as police officers.

And several articles busted them on their leftist/woke attacks, made in statements BEFORE January 6th, on social media, and in media interviews before, during and after the Jan 6th committee hearing.
Harry Dunn repeatedly posted online comments about hating Trump, Trump is a racist, etc., etc. making pro Black Lives Matter comments online, posting photos of himself in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, and attending BLM rallies.

Michael Fanone called the Republican party (not just Trump) "a cancer that need to be carved out".
And THEN he quit his job as a DC Metro officer and became a paid venomous consultant for CNN.



Originally Posted by M E M
You have no principle other than whatever serves Trump. You’re not fooling anyone about wanting justice. The next 2 years will be rough for this country but I see America begin correcting course in the midterms.

Total BS on your part.
I've cited the legal arguments of Alan Dershowitz , Jonahan Turley and Gregg Jarrett, of Matt Taibbi, and many other highly respected legal opinions and journalists.

The lack of principle is on YOUR side, a Democrat-Bolshevik party that puts innocent men and women in jail. That goes AFTER LAWYERS (the 65 project) who are just giving constitutional legal defense to Trump and other Republicans, or maybe not even Republicans, some just low-level Mar A Lago or other employees. Democrat front organizations like 65 Project, created to bankrupt and disbar lawyers, to intimidate them from defending these clients and proving their innocence,

65 Project lawfare done so that if lawyers represent Trump or Guiliani, if they contest a blatantly unfair Nov 2020 election, JUST CONSTITUTIONALLY AND LEGALLY CHALLENGE IT IN COURT TO CONFIRM OR DISPROVE THE FACTS, they will be intimidated and punished, will be fired from their job, they will be pursued with lawfare, lose their law license, lose their years-held Harvard teaching position (as happened to Rep. Elise Stefanik) , and be bankrupted.

The Democrat-Bolsheviks make it so anyone they don't like, such as Trump or Giuliani or anyone indicted with them, seeing these lawyers punished and bankrupted, disbarred as an intimidation move, so that MANY OTHER lawyers, seeing this, won't take future cases with Republican defendants, because they are intimidated and afraid to do so, afraid of being disbarred and bankrupted by malicious Democrat lawsuits. Out of threat and intimidation of having heir lives destroyed, they just won't take the case !

And that's not right. As Dershowitz has said, as a TRUE liberal, even a guilty defendant is entitled to defense, to the best challenge and cross examination of the evidence, and to the best and fairest sentence a lawyer can negotiate for a defendant. And if lawyers are afraid to even represent Trump or Giuliani out of fear of being maliciously bankrupted or disbarred out of pure intimidation, how can Trump, Guiliani, or any defendant, even get a fair trial ? If Trump, Giuliani or others are innocent and can't get a good legal defense, how can they prove their innocence?


The Bolshevik way : terror, intimidation, violence, the abuse of state power as a weapon.
That is not just an insult, M E M, your party LITERALLY embraces all these Democrat-Bolshevik tactics. And then you somehow flip it around and act like it's your Republican opposition who are being the bullies, breaking the law and weaponizing FBI, DOJ or the legal system.
Likewise, your Democrat-Bolshevik party's weaponizing of the legal system and government agencies against dissenting Democrats, like Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Alan Dershowitz, Jonathan Turley, Lara Logan, Brandon Straka, Andy Ngo, Senator Robert Menendez, and mayor Eric Adams and other current or former Democrats who have walked away from your party in disgust, or ever so slighly dissented from the party line.

As I've cited repeatedly, the Clintons, the Obamas and many leftists who work under them , OPENLY WORSHIP the Bolsheviks, Mao Tse Tung, Fidel Casro, Che Gueverra, Hugo Chaves and his successor Meduro, Saul Alinsky. And OPENLY endorse and emulate their lawless Marxist political tactics of intimidation and weaponizing government against dissenters.
FACT.

I've cited the videotaped and written quotes of them repeatedly.over multiple topics, for YEARS here on these boards.

It is YOUR SIDE that has no ethics and will use any lawless vicious tactic to win.
It is Trump who has withstood a test of Kafka-esque lawfare, arrests, and prosecutions before unfair Democrat prosecutors, Democrat judges and Democrat juries.

It is Trump and those around him who have endured slander, lawfare and imprisonment for make-believe crimes (Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Trump himself, the January 6th protesters, etc.) .
And when that lawfare and imprisonment failed to intimidate enough to stop Trump, elements in the deep state FBI and Secret Service have AT LEAST TWICE allowed (if not orchestrated) very close assassination attempts on Trump. (and possibly more attempts not fully disclosed, such as by the Iranians and other groups.)

In Butler, PA, Trump came very close to being eliminated like JFK, MLK, or RFK, the Deep State/ globalists almost successful in silencing Trump forever, and silencing a larger movement by over 77 million. In an attempt to prevent a move by Trump to re-establish national sovereignty, to create U.S. national protection from globalism and global dependence, to prevent globalists from econoically reigning us into submission.
Lawfare and assassination orchestrated to prevent a move by Trump to restore Constitutional rights and protections, and to prevent restoring of Constitutional balance of powers



Weirdly enough, Thomas Michael Crooks' father, instead of cooperating and giving all information he could to investigators, went silent and just lawyered up. And the lawyer he chose was the same CIA-connected law office as Alexander Vindman, used in the Trump whistleblower impeachment hearings.

Also very odd, Ryan Routh, an apparent roofer with very little income that can be tracked, traveled as a mercenary all over the world, easily travelling in and out of the most radical muslim countries in the world, and bringing them to Ukraine to fight as mercenaries on the Ukrainian side.
To move through countries like that without a problem, someone would need some very high level federal connections with CIA and/or State Department, and maybe FBI. And he had a girlfriend that with all the Secret Service and FBI's vast investigative resources, no one can identify or locate a trace of. You'd almost think she was... Ryan Routh's CIA liason or case handler?
And that maybe Routh was further contracted by CIA to assassinate Trump, and the location where Trump would be that day was given to Routh by CIA, FBI, Secret Service, or some partner federal agency closely observing Trump's daily movements.

Both of these shooting attempts reek of CIA, FBI and/or other federal agencies.
Things that a random gunman just couldn't do or know, to even be there to set up his sniper's nest in advance of Trump arriving on that West Palm Beach golf course.
Or in Butler, PA, set up radio-controlled detonation in his car as a getaway distraction to cover his escape. And FBI agents saw him on the roof, and only acted to stop Thomas Matthew Crooks AFTER he got off 8 shots at Trump.

Lawfare against Trump, weaponization of the courts against him, and failing in that, now an escalation to assassination attempts on Trump, to silence him forever and prevent him from dismantling a decades-evolving expanding corrupt Deep State.
And if successful at killing Trump as a 2024 candidate, then go right back to their planned socialist authoritarian one-party lockdown of the United States, the Deep State managed decline and fall of the United States.

Cultural Marxist revolution for the last decade by Democrat-Bolsheviks:
BLM and Antifa riots and revolution in cities nationwide (culminating in 2020), tearing down U.S. monuments and history, while Marxist teachers, college professors and he Democrat-Bolshevik media for decades have exalted socialism as more fair, a better system.


87,000 new IRS agents to further harass, intimidate and cripple Republican donors and grassroots support.

Lockdown and censorship of social media.

Inundating and further crippling the country with illegal immigrants, drug cartels, crime, and further lawlessness and intimidation.
Cloward and Piven strategy: overwhelm the system, and amid the panic and chaos distracting the public, collapse the system and replace it with a Marxist authoritarian lockdown government.
And wih incredible audacity, the Democrat/Left and Deep State declare the constitutional patriots trying to save the republic as the TRUE dangerous insurrectionists undermining Democracy, to rationalize your authoritarian lockdown as a necessary measure to SAVE democracy, even as you are actually the ones CRUSHING Democracy.

Termed "Cultural Marxism"
Or "Active Measures", as termed by Russian insurrection agents, for 70 years.
Or "Cloward-Piven strategy", by the two Marxist professors it is named after.

Or as former Obama official and CNN host Van Jones terms it : "Top down, bottom up, inside out."
i.e, confuse the people with both (1) Marxist revolution within government, such as Soros-funded elected officials and unelected bureaucrats, and (2)with fake "grass roots" NGO's "helping" government officials from outside, by Soros-funded revolutionary Marxist groups, like Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and the Open Borders movement. Working from all sides to confuse and overwhelm the public.

All slightly variant Marxist written plans, developed in different parts of the world, as ways to de-stabilize, overthrow and replace a formerly stable Constitutional republic.
What George Soros has orchestrated and perfected over the last 30 years in more than a dozen former Soviet and Eastern Bloc countries.
Now perfected, it has been brought here to the United States, to overthrow our country, to bring about a Democrat-Bolshevik one-party system to neutralize the U.S., and reign us into the global system.



Trump's aides and cabinet officials are (or in many cases already prosecuted, WERE) rich men who could have just walked away from Trump, and away from fighting the corrupt Deep State system, as Mike Pence and Mitch McConnell , Lisa Murkowski, John Roberts and other Republicans of the Deep State have, to keep their popularity, their power, their blood money, and their favors among the corrupt elite.
But unlike these RINO turncoats, the indicted and persecuted Trump officials have endured abuse and risked everything, to do what is right.
To save the country from the Deep State of the Democrat-Bolsheviks, and from the sellout RINO Republican wing, who take the Lefts's money for both power and a seat at the table among the globalist elite .

These RINO Republicans are the ones who give lip service to securing the border, or give lip service to stopping the Democrats from adding 87,000 new IRS agents.
But then at the last minute "cross over" in "bi-partisanship" and give Democrats the votes they need to pass radical nation-destroying legislation.
The John Cornyns, the Lisa Murkowskis, the Mitch McConnells, the Mitt Romneys, the Susan Collins's, the Angus Kings, the John McCains, the Joe Manchins, the Lindsey Grahams, and many more Republicans and so-called "moderates", who always condemn legislation in a show of opposition, then turn out to become one of the deciding votes in favor of what they previously condemned.

Taking a bribe to do it?
Blackmail?
Hidden leftist ideology?
Intimidation?
I think different ones cave in for different reasons, but regardless of the reason, they sell us out.

Another manifestaion of he Deep State, abusing federal power by heir agents in FBI and DOJ to do the recent surveillance in 2016-2017 through 4 FISA warrants on Carter Page, using that "three layers deep surveillance" to spy on the entire Trump campaign.
And then using it to spy on the entire Trump White House for its first 6 months.
Some Republicans can be bribed, and beyond that, many who can't be bribed can then be blackmailed. Going back to FBI "Filegate" during the Clinton administration.
And the Democrats are twice as evil, twice as crazy now.

And needless to say the FBI's Democrat-zealot bureaucrats, eager to do the spying and the lawfare: the James Comeys, the Andrew McCabes, the Peter Strzoks, the Bill Priestaps and Kevin Clinesmiths.
OBVIOUS corruption, and playing God with the federal power they have, as Democrat zealots who have hundreds of self-incriminating texts from their FBI-issued phones. And many others deleted by a cover-up friendly FBI that we can't read.

LISA PAGE:text: Trump isn't going to be president, right? RIGHT?!?
PETER STRZOK: No. No he won't. We will stop it.

KEVIN CLINESMITH: Vive le resistance !


But still enough evidence to make abundantly clear they are fanatics, who will do anything to rig a win for the Democrat-Bolshevik Party.



CLEARLY, M E M, you are utterly immune to logic and facts.
But I keep citing the facts.


And Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley comment pretty much EVERY DAY, appearing on multiple programs on Fox News, Newsmax, FBN, and probably on CNN and other liberal networks where they are more likely to be cut off, shouted over, or just censored and edited out. But they make the effort regardless. To comment on and expose the illegal FISA surveillance, the lawfare done, to rig the 2020 and 2024 elections.
The faked letter from 51 intelligence officials (their security clearances now revoked by Trump on his 2nd or 3rd day).
The Hunter Biden laptop contents, buried for a year by agents of the Democrat-Bolshevik FBI.
And FBI/CIA/ social media-partnered censorship that blocked information about the Hunter Biden laptop during the 2020 election, to rig the 2020 election for Joe Biden (a k a, the "Twitter Files", revealed by Elon Musk, when he purchased Twitter).

On and on, the Deep State abuses of federal agency power .



When Dershowitz and Turley were on CNN and Charlie Rose (circa 2003-2008), I mostly didn't agree with them on issues like the Patriot Act, or like interrogation or treatment of Al Qaida prisoners, but I still would listen to them, and their perspective of the law on those issues. You should do the same now, M E M.
And there was a post I made about the Patriot Act 20 years ago, that even if government invades my freedoms while looking for info to protect our national security, my stated opinion then was "I have nothing to hide".

Well... now I've seen how rule of law has eroded in the U.S., and a nation-state, even the UNITED STATES (under people like Obama, Biden, Comey, McCabe, Strzok and Clinesmih) can use that trust in government to use people's private info to target political groups they don't like (such as religious conservatives, or pro-life activists, or January 6th protesters, of all Trump supporers, or even dissenting Democrats they don't like.
Or against a leader like Trump who is outperforming the Democrat-Bolshevik candidate in a coming 2024 election, to surveill and target an entire Trump campaign, or an entire Trump White House administration to eliminate them, or even target everyone in an entire political party down to the grass roots level.

And while you brainwash yourself, ignoring the facts, to act like TRUMP and his supporters are the ones in the wrong... I've cited the Democrat party and Democrat-media lies and false narratives over and over.
Sourced facts reported left, right and center in the media, undeniable facts.

That show your side is authoritarian and dangerous, and ours (The Trump wing) is trying to restore checks and balances and pull us away from the path to authoritarianism.
My fear is that when the Trump movement eventually leaves and the pendulum swings in 4 or 8 or 12 years, your side will immediately re-politicize every branch of government the way Obama and Biden already have, and go even more authoritarian- Bolshevik.


I believe very firmly that the current fanaticism of your side makes it urgent that they never again regain power. Just look at the maniac comments by Democrats (both elected Democrats, and in the news media) just since the election.
They've learned nothing, they're just as crazy. advocating EVEN MORE lawfare, EVEN MORE open borders, EVEN MORE protection of criminals, and especially, of criminal Democrat leaders on the Jan 6th Committee, or in the broader Biden administration.

To be protected from prosecution for their crimes, even the criminals in FBI, DOJ, the House January 6th committee who shredded their own evidence (obviously because it was falsified and would have incriminated them if not destroyed) and those in the Obama White House that TARGETED TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS, but NOW wants to be protected from PROSECUTION FOR THOSE CRIMES : who submitting falsified information to a judge,to get illegal FISA warrants, Obstructing justice. Leaking classified FBI documents. Malicious prosecution.
ACTUAL CRIMES, CLEAR UNDENIABLE CRIMES.

But now they want blanket pardons from Biden on the way out, for crimes which they've never even been indicted for !! Has that ever been done before?!?
Does that not give you ANY PAUSE, M E M?

No, stupid question, of course it doesn't. If your party brought men in cages like ISIS and slit the throats of Republicans on the beach and beheaded them, without evidence, without trial, you'd still find a way to rationalize and endorse it, just because your party says it's okay.

Imprisoning Trump on made up fake charges in "novel cases", that NO ONE ELSE BEFORE OR SINCE will ever be prosecuted for, is one step toward that.



I mentioned years ago how former Bill Clinton secretary Robert Reich fantasized about, just after the 2020 election, about having televised trials where former Trump officials would be forced to publicly confess their crimes to the nation.
That is straight out of Stalin, Mao, or Orwell. And you are okay with that.

Or the PBS executive attorney who fantasized about using DHS to take away Republicans' children, and give them to state-appointed liberal-leftist foster parents, to be raised and indoctrinated in the "right way of thinking". And you apparently have no problem with that.

Or the many, MANY Democrat campaign officials secretly video-interviewed by Project Veritas, or similar interviews of employees or executives of Google, Twiitter and Facebook, unwittingly confessing in video interviews how they routinely censor, delete accounts, shadow-ban or otherwise use algorithms to weed out and silence all conservative opinion and factual articles that disprove or factually dissent from the liberal narrative . And how intensely they hate Republicans and fantasize about killing them or putting them in Gulags, or "re-education camps". Again, right out of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, or Orwell.
I've posted the videos her of i, repeatedly. FACT.

Or Disney cartoon and movie production people, plotting to put gay-trans messaging in kids' entertainment.

Or public school teachers, videos they themselves posted, found and re-posted on the conservative "Libs of Tik Tok" blog, of purple-haired trans justice warrior teachers who feel their holy mission is to use their position to censor and eliminate all Republican/conservative thought, to indoctrinate and push liberal left ideas in their classrooms.
Openly gloating ON VIDEO that through their classroom indoctrination, or maybe also seduction: "Well take away your children."

"Liquidate them, and by liquidate I mean kill" said one FBI undercover agent who quoted what Weather Underground Marxist leaders said to him, as one of their Weather Underground fellow revolutionaries. William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrne. What hey planned to do to aany remaining dissenters in the U.S. in the late 1970's after their Marxist takeover, and coldly planned o kill (or "liquidate") he 30 million people in the U.S. who could no be indoctrinated to accept their planned new Marxist government
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And Barack Obama was a close associate of William Ayers for many years. Obama's first political fundraiser was in Ayers' home, and political introductions and connections were provided by William Ayers. For many years Obama and Ayers would travel on joint book-signing tours to cities across the country.
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/bill-ayers/

And that Weather Underground "liquidattion" mentality is no different from what New York Times reporters (Jennifer Rubin), former Clinton officials (Robert Reich), Bernie Sanders campaign officials and grassroots volunteers ALL advocate. Sourced, quoted, and linked repeatedly.

Jennifer Rubin said: "We have to destroy the Republican party so completely it can never come back."
Bernie Sanders election staffers and volunteers said, in Project Veritas videos, they wanted to either just slaughter Republicans if they won, or alternately just lock them up in "re-education camps" for torture or indoctination. Which is what's been happening to the January 6th prisoners for most of the last 4 years.
All previously posted here, in their own self-incriminating written or videotaped exact words.

And the fact that you don't dispute or challenge these QUOTED remarks as something disturbing and wrong, tells me you're totally on board with whatever your Bolshevik party does.
Up to and including weaponization of government, imprisonment, torture, and genocide.
In your years-long acceptance here of the craziest ideological and authoritarian things your party does or plans to do, well... hey, no problem.