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Did John Byrne's Art Ever Drop Off? VIDEO
This video asks the same question I began this topic with:
At what point did John Byrne lose it as an artist? In the video, he argues that Byrne lost it in the latter third of his FF run, circa 1985-1986, that he narrows down issue by issue to FF 265, 266 and 267.
I would argue the decline was visible a little earlier than that, where Byrne still has a lot of detail, but even with the detail, it was much looser and less decorative than his earlier work, starting to decline back around 247-250.
It was in FF 258 that Byrne in the letters page explained that for several issues up to then, he had already begun drawing in ink, skipping the pencil stage, which made clear to me as a reader he didn't care anymore.
I still enjoyed the series for the writing, and the art was only slightly diminished. but still nice.
I enjoyed the series up till about 275, and only slightly less the issues from 276-293.
Byrne's work on MAN OF STEEL 1-6 and SUPERMAN 1-22, ACTION COMICS 584-600, a one-shot THE EARTH STEALERS special, and other Superman stuff he did, remained somewhat impressive, but again, below that of his past work such as X-MEN, early FF, and his other 1975-1982 Marvel work. His version of Superman was out of proportion and way over-muscular, way out of character. Even so though, to a large degree I liked much of Byrne's art and his new story concepts on the Superman tiles.
I really never warmed up to any of Byrne's work after that. His SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK run was fun, but again nowhere near his earlier work, and that was the last series of his I regularly bought.
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