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#153871 2001-08-07 4:01 AM
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Can somebody give me the cliff notes version of this? It's too long for me to care...

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Dear Citizens of Athanon,

I’m sure that many of you are wondering what is going on. This is natural. In precise language, the Athanon boards have been closed indefinitely for a period of reevaluation. This means, simply put, that I’ve locked the place down until I figure out what I want to do with it.

Will they be reopened? Possibly. I really can’t say at this moment. I figure that I’ll open that can of worms when I get to it. And I mean can of worms.

You’re wondering why the boards are closed. Precise language: A number of events both public and private culminated in my stating that a single infraction along a set guideline would result in the closure of the boards. That infraction took place. The boards were closed.

Not so precise language: About three or four months ago, I stepped down as a Keeper. I had reached the point where I either stepped away from the boards entirely or I closed them down. Far too many games were going on for my liking. I offered to give them to someone who had put money and sweat into them and the person declined. I established that I could no longer run the place without losing my cool and I reiterated that Danny was in charge, promoted Dark Typhoid Dave to the position of Keeper, and I left.

I spent as much time as I could with my girlfriend or playing Everquest. I kept tabs on the boards. I helped out with the Herald. I’d post from time to time. I avoided the place as much as I could.

More reindeer games ensued. Most of which I disliked, some of which got me so angry that I started yelling at some of the people involved either by e-mail or on the phone. As a matter of fact, most of my anger and resentment stems from the actions of friends who manipulated things to be as much in their own best interests as possible. Part of it is directed at me for my inability to tell people that I care about when they are fucking up or calling them on a really bad decision. Petty squabbling went on behind the scenes. Danny kept in control as much as he could, however, life got in the way.

Hatter stepped down as Police Commissioner and Keeper. Ouschlander stepped up to the plate. Due to personal problems, Danny was not able to act as mayor. Theoretically speaking, this put me back in the hot seat I pretty much left things up to ouschlander—him being my roommate and best friend, I knew that I could trust him.

The Comic-Con in San Diego arrived and the Mad Hatter had to change real life plans when statements made by RONIN made him worry about the safety of both himself and his girlfriend. This was brought to both mine and ouschlander’s attention. Ouschlander made the decision, which I backed, to ban RONIN from Athanon. In my mind, RONIN was and for me still is an unknown. He could be the biggest teddy bear on the block. He could be a raving lunatic. Let’s look at some facts:

1. Hatter’s picture has been published in the yearbook. As such, he’s easily recognizable. RONIN, on the other hand, had not been seen by anyone other than Cassie at that time. As it stands, only a couple of people saw him in San Diego.
2. RONIN has a tendency to let his temper get the best of him. Hatter has a tendency to push people’s buttons. Even if RONIN hadn’t gone with the intention of fighting with Hatter, the possibility still remained that violence could occur.

Regardless, arguing is one thing. Making comments that put a person in a position to have to change his plans in regards to the safety of himself and his loved ones, is another thing entirely. RONIN justified the banning when he stole jack trades’ ID, changing the password after jack trusted him it.

I do owe RONIN one token of thanks for the whole thing—it got me out of going to the San Diego Zoo.

In the meantime, Franta was on vacation. One of his stops was Las Vegas, however, due to my plans with San Diego, I wasn’t in town the day that Franta was. Still, someone thought it would be funny to start the “Franta’s been banned!” rumor with RONIN’s ban being mentioned in the Town Crier. This got the Nature Boyz stirred up, so that when the real ban came, it was like L.A. after a trial.

Behind the scenes even MORE stupid human tricks were taking place. Part of this was based on the situation that led to the closing of the boards—The Angle in the Vault Affair.

Oakley told these guys to stop. Moorg told these guys to stop. Ouschlander told these guys to stop. Mkisofs e-mailed one of these guys to stop. Razorwitt e-mailed another of these guys to stop. That seems pretty clear to me. “Don’t post anything about Kurt Angle in the Vault or you will be banned.” It’s pretty simple. Pretty damned simple, really.

Franta posted about Kurt Angle in the Vault. As a result, he was banned. It is our habit to try to keep the details of a banning between us and the person banned. Everyone else feels that it is important that they know why the person was banned, perhaps so that they could run it through their personal radar and determine whether or not it was fair. Personally, I don’t think that it’s anyone’s business but the person involved unless that person wants to involve others.

So a number of people decided to show their support of Franta. Some did so in the Commissioner’s Office. Others did so in the Vault by posting threads about Kurt Angle. They got banned. Year of the Bastard came forth with a well written, well thought out request to know why. Ouschlander asked me to get involved, so I did. I stated in my response that I had grown tired with all of the games—and I mean ALL of the games. I stated that if one more incident occurred, I would shut the boards down.

I’d like to congratulate Loch Hexen for her winning entry of the new thread “Who is Kurt Angle?” located in the Vault of Tomorrow. Big round of applause for showing your support for the banned by posting under an alt-ID—you’ve really made the boys back at the home office proud.

Look, people, this isn’t Faber College, none of the Keepers are Dean Wormer, and you guys aren’t Otter and the rest of Delta House. This isn’t a fascist police state. We are not humorless automatons. We are, for the most part, a number of people with various degrees of maturity with the purpose of ensuring that the boards ran properly and that most people were having a good time. Just posters like you, simply in a position of ‘power’ on an Internet message board.

I haven’t necessarily agreed with a number of decisions that were made by the administration of Athanon, however, when that’s happened, due to my own rules of outward solidarity, I’ve sucked it up and watched people get treated like shit, usually with my name being waved around. I’ve had numerous arguments with people that have left me feeling physically ill (you know things are really bothering you emotionally when you’re internalizing them and they make you physically sick). We are capable—quite capable—of making bad decisions. I’ve been making bad decisions about this place since October of ’99. I’ve watched the others do the same.

“It’s for the good of the boards.” If I never hear those words again, it will be too soon.

I’m like a powder keg right now. Anger and frustration are so built up over this and other things going on in my life that the wrong thing could make me explode in someone’s face. I didn’t shut the boards down because of the fact that several people were being loud and obnoxious and acting at a level of maturity just under that of my thirteen year old nephews. I shut them down because I no longer desire to put up with the stress.

I was asked to explain the ‘reevaluation period.’ Simply put, I’m trying to determine whether or not the value of re-opening the boards exceeds the expense. The value is from the people like Bibbo, Razorwitt and jack trades and hundreds of others who post there and have fun, but don’t break the one rule I have. The expense is the emotional drain that comes from, to put it simply, trying to regulate adults consistently acting like children. That emotional drain is a high price because it’s one that affects you physically and mentally as well.

So I’m thinking about it. It’s going to take a while, so you may want to hit some of the other places out there. I’ve got a life to get in order.

And for those of you who were taken completely unaware by this turn of events, I want to say that I truly apologize. Unfortunately, this has consistently been the way of things at Athanon. Any major shakeups have been from a clash between the Keepers and an individual or a relatively small group. I hope that should we open our doors again in the future that you will join us again, or should we never reopen that you are not discomfited too much.

Keep an eye on this space for further information.

Martin ‘Mobius Infinity’ Hackett




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I dunno...I think people are takin' this message board shit too seriously...Jebus Christ, this ain't life or death or anything...

#153873 2001-08-07 4:22 AM
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Also bsams and I made a parody of the RONIN banning substituting my name for RONINs (despite my editing bsams post some thought it was real). Then a week later Chris Oakley, the mod of the Vault of Tomorrow, got mad because I was saying he likes Kurt Angle, and he clains he really doesnt.
The NBs rallyed in my support and got banned and the place was shut down.

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quote:
Originally posted by rufusTfirefly:
Can somebody give me the cliff notes version of this? It's too long for me to care...

Blah blah blah, personnal shit, blah, Hatter treathened by RONIN, blah, Oakly likes Angle, blah, Franta Liberation Movement, blah, I'm closing these boards because of the stress of moderating it, even thought I haven't done shit for months, blah blah blah...

That good enough for you?


#153875 2001-08-07 10:18 AM
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You forgot the part about Ousch being a dick and banning Mary for no reason.

Oh wait, he forgot to include that.


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rufus:

<<I think people are takin' this message board shit too seriously>>

that, ill believe.


#153877 2001-08-08 3:52 AM
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Christ, message boards are just places for people to get together and bullshit and fuck around. All this crap with Mayors and Commishoners and shit...What the fuck is wrong with these people??? Do they need lives that bad???

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Do you really want me to answer that?

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quote:
Originally posted by Dev Em:
You forgot the part about Ousch being a dick and banning Mary for no reason.

"Franta Liberation Movement"


#153880 2001-08-08 12:35 AM
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Shit I was surprised as anyone.

I missed all of the hoo-hah at the end. A water pipe burst in my building and I was out of the loop for 3 days, because our electricity was down. Tuesday morning I was still responding to bsams' e-mail and trying to negotiate a truce: didn't have a clue the plug had been pulled.

I e-mailed Razorwitt and he said the shit hit the fan over the weekend, and that Mobius had a gutful.

What happened?


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I wasn't here either... I was kinda busy from fri 8 pm - sun 8 pm...

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Typhoid Dave:
What happened?

Didn't you read the long version?


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Yeah, but that didn't explain too much.

Razorwitt has since given me a bit more info, but I'm still a bit vague on the details.

Not that it matters too much now anyway. If it ever does re-open, I'd imagine it'll be a ghost town. Too much goodwill lost in the interim, and people have found other places to post.


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it all goes back to my and rufie's "people just take it too seriously" thing.

tho, i think rufie refer's more to the board keepers half, and i tend to see almost everyone under that category.


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Oh, by the way, Fanny, the NBs have re-grouped at www.natureverse.com...

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or http://thenatureboys.com we miss you dave!

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Bsams needs someone to flame him!

ANd I haven't seen the Computer Adminstrator, so we may need another keeper!


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but at the 'verse, you'll discover the one solid truth...

y'cant be a nature boy unless there's an establishment to natureboy against.

thats why newer versions of the nwo didnt work. bsams, you should know this.


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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
it all goes back to my and rufie's "people just take it too seriously" thing.

tho, i think rufie refer's more to the board keepers half, and i tend to see almost everyone under that category.


I meant more than just the moderators and admins there...Pretty much anybody whose lives revolved around a message board...Which was pretty much the keepers and watchers or whatever...Jebus! Go outside and get some fresh air for a while or something...


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eh, i just think everybody went a lil bonkers. mods, posters... modsters...

but i will agree with two things. "go outside" and "jebus."


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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but at the 'verse, you'll discover the one solid truth...

y'cant be a nature boy unless there's an establishment to natureboy against.

thats why newer versions of the nwo didnt work. bsams, you should know this.



...i think the boys will venture outside to natureboy against the world...im shure when athanon returns some boys will raid...but yer right its all the fun is in pushing the envelope, and im shure we will there as we have everywhere....im just glad the bulk of the boys have settled somewhere itd been a shame if all that the nb's where was the manor...but it proved my point we made the manor not the other way round.....dave still hasnt stopped by to say hi to me....


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well, ill say this much. i didnt never hear of the manor til the boys showed up. and, watching y'all grow up just before my eyes, you could see a major increase of traffic to those forums. solely responsible? prolly not. majorly responsible? prolly.

regardless, im glad happiness has returned. perhaps those who closed the manor realized that there's fun to be had outside of ubbs. and perhaps now, the nbz will grow as a tighter family.

but let you not forget:

i made each n'every one of you shits. every character in this play belongs to me. even gay rufus. and as i made you, i can destroy you -- in my own image.


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It's true!

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He's gone mad!

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMadBard:
It's true!


I'm tellin the commish!


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gordon's been shot!

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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
well, ill say this much. i didnt never hear of the manor til the boys showed up. and, watching y'all grow up just before my eyes, you could see a major increase of traffic to those forums. solely responsible? prolly not. majorly responsible? prolly.

regardless, im glad happiness has returned. perhaps those who closed the manor realized that there's fun to be had outside of ubbs. and perhaps now, the nbz will grow as a tighter family.

but let you not forget:

i made each n'every one of you shits. every character in this play belongs to me. even gay rufus. and as i made you, i can destroy you -- in my own image.


Who made who, who made you?
Who made who, ain't nobody told you?
Who made who, who made you?
If you made them and they made you
Who picked up the bill, and who made who?


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quote:
Originally posted by THE bsams:

...i think the boys will venture outside to natureboy against the world...im shure when athanon returns some boys will raid...but yer right its all the fun is in pushing the envelope, and im shure we will there as we have everywhere....im just glad the bulk of the boys have settled somewhere itd been a shame if all that the nb's where was the manor...but it proved my point we made the manor not the other way round.....dave still hasnt stopped by to say hi to me....


Kind of busy elsewhere...
Besides, in our surprisingly civil exchange of e-mails, I said "Adios", remember?Everyone got sick of the fighting, including me. I leave the NBs in your hands, as their spiritual leader. I'll be sending Redrob your way.
I have to admit, it was a nice show of solidarity for Franta.

Mad Bard - I have a commercial proposition. Will you e-mail me?


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are you...propositioning him??

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eeewwwww...

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exactly!

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Typhoid Dave:

Kind of busy elsewhere...
Besides, in our surprisingly civil exchange of e-mails, I said "Adios", remember?Everyone got sick of the fighting, including me. I leave the NBs in your hands, as their spiritual leader. I'll be sending Redrob your way.
I have to admit, it was a nice show of solidarity for Franta.

Awww, come on... go to natureverse, everyone else is there...


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...for now...

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True, that.

Mxy - Nah, I'm not welcome, and would rather leave everyone's karma undisturbed.

Mard Bard is the Demi to my Redford.


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you should go, tho, dave. and just start a whole buncha trouble. like flood the board with logic, and thought-related posts. confuse them with these scare tactics.

report back to me at 0800 hours.


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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Typhoid Dave:
True, that.

Mxy - Nah, I'm not welcome, and would rather leave everyone's karma undisturbed.

Mard Bard is the Demi to my Redford.


Why don't you go there and see if you like it?
Or, you could post under an alternate ID...


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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
you should go, tho, dave. and just start a whole buncha trouble. like flood the board with logic, and thought-related posts. confuse them with these scare tactics.

report back to me at 0800 hours.


Tempting as it is to raid the board and fill it with long extracts from the laws of Hong Kong - in Cantonese - I must disobey that order, sir.


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at ease, soldier.

there are children around.


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