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Dave said: Marvel's famous ban on returns from death is good, but an indicator of just how bad the situation has become, that an editorial mandate has to be made public to give a publisher some credibility.
Indeed, and they've done a GREAT job of keeping with that mandate.
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I liked a lot of the Superman Death and Return stories. There were some really good ideas in there, though I think some were handled badly (like Steel. The weighed him down with crap right out of the box). Can anyone say Super-Mullet? But, honestly, I don't think there was anyone who didn't know that he was coming back.
Hal shoulda stayed as Parallax. But they fucked that up so he shoulda stayed dead. But they fucked that up. You'll never see me say that he shoulda stayed the Specter. Tha's jus' stoopid. Since they are bringing him back, he shouldn't be a Lantern anymore; but they're gonna fuck that up too.
Colossus was easily my second favorite X-Man. That being said, he shoulda kept dead. His death was important and honorable. With him being back with apparently no recognition of the fact that he was dead to begin with or any explination as to how (didn't they cremate the corpse and scatter it over his Mother Russia?), it detatches all the empathy I had built up for the character.
Ollie coming back was handled very entertainingly since Kevin Smith really isn't a deep, philosophical writer. Plus, I like how he's been handled post resurrection. He seems to be the voice of reason as far as noting that the rules of his universe are fucked and twisted.
Hawkman is another character that was done well when he was brought back. A lot of the bullshit was cleared away early on to allow for other, interesting stories to take place.
So, overall, my view on character resurrections has to do with the fact that they need to be few and far between and also be well written and capable of progressing a character's development further than what it had been before.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Jeremy said: I actually thought it'd be the Cyborg. How wrong I was...
I was sure it was the Eradicator.
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Saw an interview recently where Quesada was bitching about having to explain "Dead is dead" over and over again. Well, maybe if you'd actually stuck with "Dead is dead" and weren't bringing back "dead" characters left and right you wouldn't have that problem.
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thedoctor said: I liked a lot of the Superman Death and Return stories. There were some really good ideas in there, though I think some were handled badly (like Steel. The weighed him down with crap right out of the box). Can anyone say Super-Mullet? But, honestly, I don't think there was anyone who didn't know that he was coming back.
The subject of Superman comics has come up numerous times in conversation between various friends of mine. There's at least one person in each of those conversations that have asked: "Didn't he die?". It's happened recently too!
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Colossus was easily my second favorite X-Man. That being said, he shoulda kept dead. His death was important and honorable. With him being back with apparently no recognition of the fact that he was dead to begin with or any explination as to how (didn't they cremate the corpse and scatter it over his Mother Russia?), it detatches all the empathy I had built up for the character.
Whedon did explain it. Colossus did actually die when he cured the legacy virus and saved mutantkind, but by doing so earned the scorn of Ord. Ord, in his mission to eradicate the mutant gene, resurrected Colossus for the sole purpose of being the guinea pig in his experiments. The body that was cremated wasn't his, but was switched before his coffin went into the fire.
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Stupid Dogg said: Whedon did explain it. Colossus did actually die when he cured the legacy virus and saved mutantkind, but by doing so earned the scorn of Ord. Ord, in his mission to eradicate the mutant gene, resurrected Colossus for the sole purpose of being the guinea pig in his experiments. The body that was cremated wasn't his, but was switched before his coffin went into the fire.
GAY!!!!!
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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never said it was a good one, but it was a hell of a lot better than Clarements explanation for Magneto.
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I take it all back. I'd rather not have them explain how Colossus came back.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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I still say its better than Xorn pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn.
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Its pissy writing. Instead of trying to correct the antfucking minute details of a comic's history, why not actually write a decent story?
Rebirth has Green Lantern exhibiting signs of Parallax's takeover because his hair went grey. The man's hair went grey because he was getting old! Christ!
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