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Originally posted by kassandra:
and which diana would that be? this is the first time in at least a decade that diana has sounded like herself again. could it be that those who complain that she just isn't herself simply never knew her to start with? it really seems like most fans don't care one way or the other about diana herself, as long as someone is wearing the red white and blue.

This is the first time that Diana that someone is trying to make Diana to sound as she were 10 years ago, granted, in DC Continuity, it has ellapsed around six or seven years (Power Company: Starfire), now, plese Kassandra, don't tell me that you do not change after seven years when doing something... surely you weren't the same at first grade than when in junior high... why? Because you evolved. I don't want Diana to be transformed into a blood thirsty monster, eating the guts of her defeated enemies, I want to see a complex character, such as she, since her very concept is complex, to be developed.

I haven't said ever, that I'm an expert on Wonder Woman, nor I'm an expert writter, I just read and like my favorite character to become more interesting, and make people wrong when reduce Diana into the simplistic notion of the 'woman in the star spangled bikini'.

consider the world diana was born into, her gods/spirituality and the important role they play in her life, and the innocence she knew before coming to our jaded shores.

Consider that a lot of us, as childs, were blessed by the fact of having an stable home, such things such as evilness and so on, are very far (if not misunderstanded concepts), but Diana grew knowing the horrible things made to her race by the gods and men (don't tell me that being banished into Paradise Island to guard the Doom's Doorway wasn't horrible please), so she wasn't in this 'perfect bubble' you want us to believe she comes from. She was (until Phil decided to throw that concept) the Princess of a Warrior Nation (I invite you to re-read the Perez' run, and you will see that Diana wasn't so naive and corny as this Diana, remember the Blood Moon saga? She was NEVER poisoned, yet, she knew to recognize this. In the middle of the story, we saw Diana killing a deer, because she have to learn this concept. Diana was taken aback when learning the true intentions behind Barbara Minerva, the words of the Silver Swan, etc., and yet she never said something as ridicule such as 'How could you be so cruel!', remember what happened when Circe revealed to her the true destiny of her aunt? She cried, but she fight back because she was then a PRIDE warrior, longing for an objective in her life. This Diana is so contempt with the so little things she could do, that is amazing that we see a Diana more conflicted with herself in another book such as JLA than in her own book!

it only stands to reason that she is always going to be taken aback somewhat by the arrogance of humans with regard to great gaea, her children, and our very own. accepting that and going with the superficial is simply not in her nature.

See above. I would like to add, that even when saving people, Diana was a warrior, remember when she was midwife to the baby of Vanessa's psychologist? She fought against the fears the baby was believed to have by the evil Dr. Psycho. She fought, yet, she demonstrated how corageous and decisive she could be. If it were the Diana is now, we would've seen Diana crying and crying until Donna or anybody else, told her what to do.

what i'd really find curious is why so many fans are threatened by this very honest depiction of diana.

She do not sounds as a woman. She sounds as Phil talking through her mouth... read the interview and his way of speaking, it's frightening!

(But I must say that I do not agree when he was attacked on a personal level, I just can critique his work)

she really isn't that impossible a role model to follow. what is it about her world view that frightens some people?

What frightens me is that someone believes that this Wonder Woman is the true great character is really... this is just a muppet.

i think this by the number of posters who rush like lemmings towards the most shallow vision of diana. yeah, let her toss around other super-powered beings, move mountains without breaking a sweat...but never, oh never, reveal the woman within.

I'm not a woman, and I would never even believe I could think such as a woman... but I think this is sometimes a rather, too visceral Diana, and I insist that it sounds... superficial to me. I don't mind to see Diana alone or surrounded by a thousand superpowered monkeys, as long she's presented as an evolving character, and not as stagnant and retro such as this. Phil is just trying to imitate Perez's rendition, but he has to realize that HE IS NOT GEORGE PEREZ, nor this are the 80's revamp of a character that by now, must have evolved.

and gods forbid that woman should be any different from the rest of us. it simply won't do. how sad. doesn't anyone care for *diana* at all?

I ask you the same question? Do you want Diana to be portrayed always the same?

-kassandra

Just clarifying, I don't bear any particular grudge against you, you're a fellow poster and I respect your points of view, it's just that... should I dare to say this? I breath a little more liberty here to express myself.

In any case, let's think that in some discussions, new light can be achieved, and certainly, I'm not closed to the good things that Phil has done for our Amazing Amazon. Some things I've liked, some things, I do not, but I aknowledge his enthusiasm into trying to do the best he can, is just, that for me, hasn't been enough.