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cos Kampo is very very gay!
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quote:
Originally posted by Nowhereman:
I just noticed something,why is Bizarro a top tier character,yet the likes Captain Marvel & Punisher are not?
well, while roy is right, thats neither here nor there. really, this is justa judgement call. there're a shit load of characters that are 'boarder line' like these guys, which makes this difficult. any of those 3 that you mentioned could have been top or second tier. my reasoning behind these three choices, tho... punisher hasnt been able to maintain his own book in a long ass time. he really only had succesful runs in the "frank millered" era. since then, he's had few books that feature him above a street thug. cap'n marvel, tho around for yeeeears, has never been able to make a prominant stance (for a sustained period) in the dc world. unfair or otherwise. some writers have a better handle on him than others, but for the most part, he's easily pushed aside in favor for other characters. his jla (jsa, jli, etc, etc) appearances gained him popularity, and kingdom come probably more than anything else... but really, he's never been able to stay as a top tier guy. bizarro has been around for quite a long ass time, as well. he gained lotsa popularity on the super friends JLA cartoons, his own mini series' and lotsa apperances in superman cartoons. in addition to being one of supermans' top baddies, most importantly to me, is the 'what have you done for me lately' factor, and in the past two years, bizarro has been INCREDIBLY prominant (especially in comparison to the other two). he's been all over the superman books, especially the loeb and mcguinness run. so there y'go. bizarro #1. fo' real.
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Which is why I never argued it.I figured Bizarro,being used a lot in Superman lately,was top tier.
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SO...where are we in all this now?
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nowhereman picked last, at 6:05 pm, may 23rd. so, silvie's got just over 4 hours to make a selection, or else its allan's turn.
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And there was me thinking Garth Ennis took Punisher back to the top!
His relaunch was a huge seller,but dont let that innfluence ya!
Bizarro has always been little more than comic relief in the past,& rarely a true threat!
Still ROY was quite correct about Rob`s gayness,so I`ll take that as a piss poor excuse!
Allan1 is gay as well for agreeing!
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I didn't agree to nothin'.All I said was that I figured Bizarro,due to his frequent appearances in Superman & popularity,was top tier so I didn't argue it.If I thought Bizarro was second-tier,I would've said something.
Nowhereman's a wanker.
Silvie's time is up...I pick Mary Marvel.
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I combed the damn list three times...and I didn't see it, so I'm gonna go with The Huntress...
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Nowhereman & Rob are engaing in Doplphin love.
Silvie's MIA
I pick Starman(Jack Knight)
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Doc Oc is my choice for the day...and I don't anticipate being back as it's going to be movie day for me... See you tomorrow boyos! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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I`m gonna go for the team of Powerman & Iron Fist!
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I'm Back
Sorry about the delay
I'll take Juggernaut
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waiting for allan's pick
[ 05-28-2002, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Rob Kamphausen ]
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here we go! after round 20 something:
soy un biancador: (80 mil left)
batman (1)
gotham (3)
orion (2)
king pin (1)
lex luthor (1)
martian manhunter (1)
black cat (2)
the question (2)
daredevil (1)
captain marvel (2)
two-face (1)
etrigan (2)
elektra (2)
storm (2)
hawkgirl (2)
beyonder (2)
darkseid (1)
wally west (1)
donna troy (2)
black widow (2)
big barda (2)
sabretooth (1)
hyperion (2)
metropolis (3)
bullseye (2)
*lost turn*
scarlet witch (2)
huntress (2)
doc oc (2)
nowhereman: (205 mil left)
hal jordan (1)
wolverine (1)
ghost rider (2)
lobo (2)
blue beetle (2)
black canary (2)
the punisher (2)
firestorm (2)
blade (2)
howard the duck (2)
anti-monitor (2)
dr. fate (2)
hitman (2)
deadshot (2)
captain britain (2)
jli (3)
moon knight (2)
black knight (2)
resurrection man (2)
black lightning (2)
war machine (2)
US agent (2)
*lost turn*
rogue (2)
artemis (2)
monarch (2)
thunderstrike (2)
*lost turn*
powerman (2)
silver: (80 mil left)
wonder woman (1)
spider-man (1)
captain america (1)
barbara gordon (1)
ironman (1)
nightwing (1)
green goblin (1)
beast (2)
joker (1)
guy gardener (2)
carnage (1)
wasp (2)
ultron (1)
atom (2)
ra's al ghul (1)
oliver queen (2)
kang (2)
rip hunter (2)
jay garrick (2)
submariner (2)
booster gold (2)
ultra-humante (2)
*lost turn*
avengers (3)
talia (2)
firestar (2)
*lost turn*
*lost turn*
juggernaught (2)
allan: (100 mil left)
superman (1)
captain atom (2)
thanos (2)
thor (1)
quasar (2)
venom (1)
wonder man (2)
vision (2)
doctor doom (1)
hawkman (2)
loki (2)
mar-vell (2)
terrax (2)
beta ray bill (2)
mister miracle (2)
hercules (2)
kyle rayner (1)
despero (2)
bizarro (1)
aquaman (1)
johnny storm (2)
silver surfer (2)
firelord (2)
oa (3)
asgard (3)
barry allen (1)
mary marvel (2)
jack knight (2)
eclipso (2)
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Rob,you are so anal!
PM & IF should be allowed as one pick as they had one title between them for years!
Anyway I`m now gonna probably miss my next pick cause I`m here now & I cant pick til the other gimps have picked!
Allan is gay!
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wull then why wouldnt you just pick the jla with that theory?
shit... pick 'crisis' for cryin out loud.
lordy.
its a 1 pick per turn kinda deal, boyo.
ANYwho...
i believe the biana / soy team is up.
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You meant the High Evoltutionary right Bianca?
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Sure. I'm going off a list Soy & I made up. Spellig mistakes are his fault... ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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ok. nowhereman selects that iron fist... guy. and then says 'fuck off,' and something about someone's butt.
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Lois Lane
Since Superman doesn't exist in this universe the other heroes will pass her around.
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Adam Strange.
Nowhereman loves the cock.
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and theeen:
soy un biancador: (70 mil left)
batman (1)
gotham (3)
orion (2)
king pin (1)
lex luthor (1)
martian manhunter (1)
black cat (2)
the question (2)
daredevil (1)
captain marvel (2)
two-face (1)
etrigan (2)
elektra (2)
storm (2)
hawkgirl (2)
beyonder (2)
darkseid (1)
wally west (1)
donna troy (2)
black widow (2)
big barda (2)
sabretooth (1)
hyperion (2)
metropolis (3)
bullseye (2)
*lost turn*
scarlet witch (2)
huntress (2)
doc oc (2)
high evoltutionary (2)
nowhereman: (195 mil left)
hal jordan (1)
wolverine (1)
ghost rider (2)
lobo (2)
blue beetle (2)
black canary (2)
the punisher (2)
firestorm (2)
blade (2)
howard the duck (2)
anti-monitor (2)
dr. fate (2)
hitman (2)
deadshot (2)
captain britain (2)
jli (3)
moon knight (2)
black knight (2)
resurrection man (2)
black lightning (2)
war machine (2)
US agent (2)
*lost turn*
rogue (2)
artemis (2)
monarch (2)
thunderstrike (2)
*lost turn*
powerman (2)
iron fist (2)
silver: (55 mil left)
wonder woman (1)
spider-man (1)
captain america (1)
barbara gordon (1)
ironman (1)
nightwing (1)
green goblin (1)
beast (2)
joker (1)
guy gardener (2)
carnage (1)
wasp (2)
ultron (1)
atom (2)
ra's al ghul (1)
oliver queen (2)
kang (2)
rip hunter (2)
jay garrick (2)
submariner (2)
booster gold (2)
ultra-humante (2)
*lost turn*
avengers (3)
talia (2)
firestar (2)
*lost turn*
*lost turn*
juggernaught (2)
lois lane (1)
allan: (90 mil left)
superman (1)
captain atom (2)
thanos (2)
thor (1)
quasar (2)
venom (1)
wonder man (2)
vision (2)
doctor doom (1)
hawkman (2)
loki (2)
mar-vell (2)
terrax (2)
beta ray bill (2)
mister miracle (2)
hercules (2)
kyle rayner (1)
despero (2)
bizarro (1)
aquaman (1)
johnny storm (2)
silver surfer (2)
firelord (2)
oa (3)
asgard (3)
barry allen (1)
mary marvel (2)
jack knight (2)
eclipso (2)
adam strange (2)
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Lois Lane ? First Tier ?
Last time you charged me Second tier
Which to be honest I thought was to high
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quote:
Originally posted by Silver Armadillo:
Lois Lane ? First Tier ?
Last time you charged me Second tier
Which to be honest I thought was to high
yeah, i know.
i was thinking about my judgement in the last round and again this time around.
comparing the two.
according to my standards initially, first tier was reserved only for the BIG name heroes (i.e; superman, batman, spider-man, etc). second tier was more of a 'companion' kinda nod or a secondary hero (i.e; the huntress, blue beetle, the thing, etc).
buuuut... upon further evaluation....
lois lane, aside from lex luthor, is the most important, most notable character in superman books outside the big guy. she makes appearances in all sortsa other books, movies, tv shows (LOIS and clark)
sooo... my judgement call as of this post: she's a 'biggun' (thats right) in my book.
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Alright fine if you have the right to chance the point value of a character then I should have the right to change my mind
I want to change my pick if it is going to cost me 25.
I pick Justice Society to replace the over price Lois
And for my pick this round I'll take Baron Zemo
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I pick Captain Marvel Jr.
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quote:
Originally posted by Silver Armadillo:
Alright fine if you have the right to chance the point value of a character then I should have the right to change my mind
I want to change my pick if it is going to cost me 25.
hold on there, bucko.
prior knowledge of a characters' worth is NEVER known.
and it IS also something that easily evolves (or devolves), depending on the current popularity of a character.
you're free to contest a judgement (as you've done in the past) and ill certainly listen to valid complains (as i've done in the past).
but a choice is a choice, and until further notice, you've made yours and i've made mine.
lois lane - 1st tier.
woo!
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
hold on there, bucko. [/QB][/QUOTE]
BUCKO ?
No wonder everyone questions your sexuality
The characters picked in the last draft and there price value is available to all captains and just because you happen to have a hard on today you feel it is OK to suddenly change the value of said character.
As far as Lois Lane being a first Tier character
Luthor yes I could see him being a first tier character because I could see how he could draw people to a book. "Oh he's president now I want to see how that would play out, I am going to pick up the Superman books" OK I can see that happening. I can't think of a time in the past where anybody would say WOW I like what they are doing with Lois....sure she is a good SUPPORTING character but that is IT.
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Answer that and stay fashionable Rob!
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i still say she's got a higher rank than second tier.
she's common enough that non-comic book fans know who she is (something you cant even state for 'the flash' or 'green lantern').
she's had major roles in movies, cartoons, and tv shows, even making 'super friends' apperances.
in addition, especially with loeb's run, she's had a major role in the book -- even narrating most of the stories, making 'side deals' (nudge nudge) with luthor, being taken over by baddies, etc.
above and beyond that, she's probably been in or atleast mentioned in 90% of all superman-related books (making MANY more appearances than luthor).
really, the more i think about it, the more i really do think she's a top tier character -- and perhaps the only non-hero / villain to get that ...umm.... 'privelage.'
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Let Let him change his pick then Bucko!!
You do resemble Cindy Williams now that I think of it!
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Questions:
1) - What's the point to all of this? How do you "win"?
2) - Why is it only Marvel and DC? What about Wildstorm?
3) - How can I get in on this?
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Lois Lane is one of the most recognizeable names in all comic books, she's the definitive "Damzel in Distress", not that that's a good thing really....
She's definitely a 1st Tier character.
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quote:
Originally posted by Prometheus:
Questions:
1) - What's the point to all of this? How do you "win"?
2) - Why is it only Marvel and DC? What about Wildstorm?
3) - How can I get in on this?
1.It's fun seeing people pick characters & build their own comic universes.
2.Well Rob set it up so he has his reasons.My guess would be because they have the most recognizable characters.I personally haven't read any kind of Wildstorm book since Gen 13's mini-series,so I wouldn't know who most of the characters are.
3.You must fellate Rob & help him mate with his dolphin.
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As to the Lois Lane thing.I say she's a first tier supporting character.More recognizable than most other supporting characters to be sure,but unless Silvie's planning a "Lois Lane:Intrepid Reporter" series,I wouldn't charge the top tier hero price.I'd say a good compromise would be $15 million.
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i never compromise!
with the limited category breakdowns we're dealing with (my own fault), im still stickin with the top tier philosophy.
she's just waaaaay too popular to not be in the top eche... eshelon. ec.. damnit.
if you'd like to un-pick her, that i'll allow. but you would not get a replacement pick, you'd just get a loss of turn, but all yer cash back.
in the future, if there's a round 3 of this voting game, there'll have to be a way to avoid lil things like this (and other 1/2 tier borderline selections). i know it was proposed before this round that we have a 4th tier for just such an issue. but i think that might even cause more turmoil -- the more shades of gray there are, the more difficult judgements become (cuz instead of debates between who is in tier 1 or 2, you'd have debates between who is in tier 1 or 1.5 AND 1.5 or 2).
suggestions (not threats or insults) as always are welcome.
speaking of which, promy, again, if there is a round 3, you're more than welcome to join in!
observations, thus far, seem to be that it IS a lot of fun for everyone. the first time thru, tho, i think had an advantage as it was much quicker paced. i think i made the money allotments too large this time. ill have to refine the rules more, i spose.
as to why wildstorm (etc) characters are not involved... really it just makes things easier on me and the captains, as there are a trillion frickin wildstorm / vertigo / dark horse characters that no one really knows much about.
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