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Originally posted by allan1:
How about....Wanna go out for dinner?
That's a good dream. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
When are you picking me up and when are we going?
How's that for a dream reply?
I'll be over in 15 minutes & we're going to Paris(it's a dream so I might as well make it good) ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif)
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my feedback on round 2 thus far:
biggest complaint is that i had to be nowhereman.
second biggest complaint is the time duration of the event -- 500 mil was way too much money, i believe, for 4 people to go through (necessitating choices like 'skeets' down the line).
third biggest complaint being the difficulty in ranking characters. too many selections are borderline between tiers, making it hard for the teams to pick and hard for the judge to rate.
in order to make round 3 more enjoyable, all three of those issues have to be tackled.
the first issue is easy -- dont be nowhereman. yaaay!
and i believe i have an idea that takes care of the second two -- agents.
instead of just sticking to the idea that wonder woman is top tier and $25, aunt may is second tier ant $10 mil, and metropolis is third tier for $5 mil ... each of the selectees has the opportunity to be represented by an agent. this could lead to a variety of situations.
say, for example, bianca decides she wants to select 'batman,' a well established top tier pick for $25 mil. batman's agent then turns around and says "look, i've got movies, cartoons, 4 books, multiple appearances... i want $50 mil, and i wont settle for less"
bianca then has the option to pay the 50 mil, or waive her pick. batman is back on the table. allan comes forth and offers 40 mil, which batman turns down. nowhereman offers 45, and batman relents, and joins up with nowhereman.
now, say lois lane sees this and wants to pull the same shit. she wants 40 mil. no one bites. 30. nothing. 20? still no one. finally, silvie offers 5, and lois sadly accepts.
further, there could be bidding wars. superman wants 30 and silvie is ready to put that up... but then allan offers 35 and superman says that sounds better.
then, there's the possibility of 'deals.' like nightwing wont go to a team unless oracle is included.
theres still some sketciness to work on with that (like how, exactly, captains are going to be able to take turns if they, or their selections, arent online at the same time) but i like the idea.
bottom line, it adds a little more personality to the selections, and makes the event more of an event. plus, a lot of the top tier guys will go for much more than just 25 mil, so a captains' money total will drop quicker, making much fewer 'silly' picks.
it also eliminates the 'tier' idea, as now each character is only as valuable as the captain wants them to be.
whutcha think?
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
still yer turn, allan
oops..forgot.
Ummmm....Cyborg.That should do it fer me then.
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
my feedback on round 2 thus far:
biggest complaint is that i had to be nowhereman.
second biggest complaint is the time duration of the event -- 500 mil was way too much money, i believe, for 4 people to go through (necessitating choices like 'skeets' down the line).
third biggest complaint being the difficulty in ranking characters. too many selections are borderline between tiers, making it hard for the teams to pick and hard for the judge to rate.
in order to make round 3 more enjoyable, all three of those issues have to be tackled.
the first issue is easy -- dont be nowhereman. yaaay!
and i believe i have an idea that takes care of the second two -- agents.
instead of just sticking to the idea that wonder woman is top tier and $25, aunt may is second tier ant $10 mil, and metropolis is third tier for $5 mil ... each of the selectees has the opportunity to be represented by an agent. this could lead to a variety of situations.
say, for example, bianca decides she wants to select 'batman,' a well established top tier pick for $25 mil. batman's agent then turns around and says "look, i've got movies, cartoons, 4 books, multiple appearances... i want $50 mil, and i wont settle for less"
bianca then has the option to pay the 50 mil, or waive her pick. batman is back on the table. allan comes forth and offers 40 mil, which batman turns down. nowhereman offers 45, and batman relents, and joins up with nowhereman.
now, say lois lane sees this and wants to pull the same shit. she wants 40 mil. no one bites. 30. nothing. 20? still no one. finally, silvie offers 5, and lois sadly accepts.
further, there could be bidding wars. superman wants 30 and silvie is ready to put that up... but then allan offers 35 and superman says that sounds better.
then, there's the possibility of 'deals.' like nightwing wont go to a team unless oracle is included.
theres still some sketciness to work on with that (like how, exactly, captains are going to be able to take turns if they, or their selections, arent online at the same time) but i like the idea.
bottom line, it adds a little more personality to the selections, and makes the event more of an event. plus, a lot of the top tier guys will go for much more than just 25 mil, so a captains' money total will drop quicker, making much fewer 'silly' picks.
it also eliminates the 'tier' idea, as now each character is only as valuable as the captain wants them to be.
whutcha think?
In theory...it sounds interesting,but in reality,it sounds like one big frickin' headache.
I'd rather be Nowhereman.
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I prefer the tier system but it's easy to regulate by saying...the big guns are $25 mill,all others are $10 mill & all properties,real estate & technology are $5 mill.
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but then who is a 'big gun'?
are batman and nightwing in the same tier? or nightwing and skeets?
both seem kinda unbalanced matchups, and there'll be tons of those (as seen heeyah).
plus, there's still discrepencies like lois lane and/or catpain marvel that still go unresolved.
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soy un biancador: (DONE)
batman (1)
gotham (3)
orion (2)
king pin (1)
lex luthor (1)
martian manhunter (1)
black cat (2)
the question (2)
daredevil (1)
captain marvel (2)
two-face (1)
etrigan (2)
elektra (2)
storm (2)
hawkgirl (2)
beyonder (2)
darkseid (1)
wally west (1)
donna troy (2)
black widow (2)
big barda (2)
sabretooth (1)
hyperion (2)
metropolis (3)
bullseye (2)
*lost turn*
scarlet witch (2)
huntress (2)
doc oc (2)
high evoltutionary (2)
brainiac (2)
prof x (2)
dark phoenix (2)
illuminati (3)
*lost turn*
alfred pennyworth (2)
maxima (2)
rfg (2)
paradise island (3)
nowhereman: (90 mil left)
hal jordan (1)
wolverine (1)
ghost rider (2)
lobo (2)
blue beetle (2)
black canary (2)
the punisher (2)
firestorm (2)
blade (2)
howard the duck (2)
anti-monitor (2)
dr. fate (2)
hitman (2)
deadshot (2)
captain britain (2)
jli (3)
moon knight (2)
black knight (2)
resurrection man (2)
black lightning (2)
war machine (2)
US agent (2)
*lost turn*
rogue (2)
artemis (2)
monarch (2)
thunderstrike (2)
*lost turn*
powerman (2)
iron fist (2)
prometheus (2)
commander steel (2)
impulse (2)
ambush bug (2)
valor (2)
time trapper (2)
johnny blaze (2)
hank hall (2)
dove (2)
kestrel (2)
The Outsiders (3)
silver: (DONE)
wonder woman (1)
spider-man (1)
captain america (1)
barbara gordon (1)
ironman (1)
nightwing (1)
green goblin (1)
beast (2)
joker (1)
guy gardener (2)
carnage (1)
wasp (2)
ultron (1)
atom (2)
ra's al ghul (1)
oliver queen (2)
kang (2)
rip hunter (2)
jay garrick (2)
submariner (2)
booster gold (2)
ultra-humante (2)
*lost turn*
avengers (3)
talia (2)
firestar (2)
*lost turn*
*lost turn*
juggernaught (2)
*lost turn*
justice society (3)
*lost turn*
baron zemo (2)
rick jones (2)
hourman (2)
taskmaster (2)
amazo (2)
skeets (2)
baron blood (2)
aunt may (2)
allan: (DONE)
superman (1)
captain atom (2)
thanos (2)
thor (1)
quasar (2)
venom (1)
wonder man (2)
vision (2)
doctor doom (1)
hawkman (2)
loki (2)
mar-vell (2)
terrax (2)
beta ray bill (2)
mister miracle (2)
hercules (2)
kyle rayner (1)
despero (2)
bizarro (1)
aquaman (1)
johnny storm (2)
silver surfer (2)
firelord (2)
oa (3)
asgard (3)
barry allen (1)
mary marvel (2)
jack knight (2)
eclipso (2)
adam strange (2)
captain marvel jr (2)
susan storm (2)
fawcett city (3)
thanagar (3)
THE defenders (3)
keystone city (3)
the thing (2)
spider-man 2099 (2)
starfire (2)
tawky tawny (2)
cyborg (2)
allan, like silvie and bianca, yer done! but feel free to make any insults towards me or public trade proposals with the others, in addition to plotting out your universes' continuity
nowhereman, you've got 90 mil left and can spend it all at one time (since yer the only one left with cash)
enjoy!
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but then who is a 'big gun'?
are batman and nightwing in the same tier? or nightwing and skeets?
both seem kinda unbalanced matchups, and there'll be tons of those (as seen heeyah).
plus, there's still discrepencies like lois lane and/or catpain marvel that still go unresolved.
Yep and it's your job to sort them out.
Personally I'd say Batman & Nightwing are top tier.
Skeets is a supporting character...so's Lois.They ain't the stars...second tier.
Captain Marvel...first tier.
Now,wasn't that easy?Not as easy as you are but...
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
but then who is a 'big gun'?
are batman and nightwing in the same tier? or nightwing and skeets?
both seem kinda unbalanced matchups, and there'll be tons of those (as seen heeyah).
plus, there's still discrepencies like lois lane and/or catpain marvel that still go unresolved.
There shouldn't be any "discrepencies" at all. That is what gives you the headache.
Hell, you could have 4 tiers instead of three to get rid of the 2nd stringers/supporting cast member arguement. Of course, if you did that, then a character like Lois Lane would be driven down to Tier 3 since she's not part of the "Super Family." But I think that's the only way to keep the disagreements from appearing.
Tier 1 - $35M: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, etc.
Tier 2 - $15M: Any character that falls under the "Tier 1 umbrella" (Superboy, Mary Marvel, Spider-Woman, etc.).
Tier 3 - $10M: All supporting cast members such as Alfred or Aunt May. Being married to or being the most important family member to a Tier 1 character shouldn't give any more "points" and make him/her worth more.
Tier 4 - $5M: Any team names, cities, etc.
You should also give thought as to how you'd divy up the players for say, The Fantastic Four...if each of them were to be acquired by separate companies.
I, personally, don't know of any other time when these members work on their own or have their own separate books. So what would happen to the name of "Fantastic Four"? Would it just disappear, or would you be able to slap the name onto any four characters?
I think that's something you should ponder.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
second biggest complaint is the time duration of the event -- 500 mil was way too much money, i believe, for 4 people to go through (necessitating choices like 'skeets' down the line).
I LIKE SKEETS !
The only reason I didn't pick him sooner is I knew nobody eles would take him
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Originally posted by allan1:
Yep and it's your job to sort them out.
and my judgement on the characters, for the most part, is pretty standard. however, i know a lot more about dc characters than marvel characters. so i might give them higher rankings, just out of subconscious preference.
then there's the whole nightwing issue, where you and i might think he's top tier, others might think otherwise.
you feel lois is 2nd tier, i say she's top rank (going by the "what characters can your mother name" ranking system). you feel cap'n marvel is top tier, i say he's 2nd. all of them.
just in these listed examples, there are discrepencies (where you could pick a character, thinking they're a certain money value, but then my status assignment changes that i.e; "the lois lane debacle of 2002")
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There shouldn't be any "discrepencies" at all. That is what gives you the headache.
the 'discrepencies' stem from altering opinions. and who, more than comic book fans, has a greater difference of opinion?
this is one of the main reasons i dont post on the DCMBs. i dont want my opinion coming out and looking 'official' -- im justa shmuck like you. yes you!
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Hell, you could have 4 tiers instead of three to get rid of the 2nd stringers/ supporting cast member arguement. Of course, if you did that, then a character like Lois Lane would be driven down to Tier 3 since she's not part of the "Super Family." But I think that's the only way to keep the disagreements from appearing.
i did think about doing the extra tier (as discussed with silvie). but, unfortunately, i see that leading into even more problems.
no longer will it be a decision between who is tier 1 or 2, but now it'll be a decision between who is tier 1 or 2 AND who is tier 2 or 3.
in a 4 tier scale, you might feel WW is a tier 1 character, but others (according to my "who is the big 3" thread from a few months back) feel she's tier 2 at best. what about robin or nightwing? 1 or 2? isnt lois lane a more important character than spider-woman?
would the riddler be a high ranking tier because he's popular (regardless of suck factor)?
tho the working theory is the more tiers you add, the easier -- i find its actually the reverse. the more tiers you add, the more difficult judging becomes.
i dunno. at this point, id say im still leaning towards the 'agent' idea. then, every character has a "liquid" value, determined by the captains. a supply vs demand idea.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
... no longer will it be a decision between who is tier 1 or 2, but now it'll be a decision between who is tier 1 or 2 AND who is tier 2 or 3 ...
If you take all the "how many characters can your mother name" and what not into consideration each time a disagreement comes up, it's going to eat up a LOT of time.
The easiest way to go about this, is to look at it in black and white...don't let the gray cloud your vision. Make a mental family tree if you have to and then assign values that way. There should be no way that Nightwing is worth the same as Batman. Without Batman, there'd be no Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, etc.
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Ok,here goes assuming these guys are all 2nd tier:
Force Of July (3)
Coast City (3)
Phantom Stranger (2)
Powergirl (2)
Deathlok (2)
Jesse Quick (2)
Cyclops (2)
Wildchild (2)
Andrew Bennett (2)
Jonah Hex (2)
As for other topics:
Rob is only pretending he didnt enjoy being me,for once in his miserable existence he got a life!
I`m not so sure the agent idea is workable,I mean who is gonna be the agents? Not enuff people come here!
Top tier is people my mother will know huh,then Cap Marvel would be top tier as my mother used to read his comics when she was a kid,& will always say him before she mentions even the likes of Supes & Bats!
Just to make things more complicated,I think tier 3 is a bit vague!
It seems strange that a team like JLA,Avengers or X-Men would be worth the same as The Outsiders or The Champions!
If you had a comic company,you know the first three teams would be big buck draws,but the latter two would not!
My personal take on this would be:
Tier 1=The icon characters+iconic teams (Supes,Bats,Robin,Spidey,Cap Marvel etc)
Tier 2=The lesser lights of the superworld+plus lesser teams (Anyone from Brother Power to The Beast)
Tier 3=Supporting characters & Cities
Tier 4=Anyone from the RKMB (worth $1 million)
Tier 1000=Rob Kamphausen himself (worth $1 if you are lucky)
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
[QB]soy un biancador: (DONE)
batman (1)
gotham (3)
orion (2)
king pin (1)
lex luthor (1)
martian manhunter (1)
black cat (2)
the question (2)
daredevil (1)
captain marvel (2)
two-face (1)
etrigan (2)
elektra (2)
storm (2)
hawkgirl (2)
beyonder (2)
darkseid (1)
wally west (1)
donna troy (2)
black widow (2)
big barda (2)
sabretooth (1)
hyperion (2)
metropolis (3)
bullseye (2)
*lost turn*
scarlet witch (2)
huntress (2)
doc oc (2)
high evoltutionary (2)
brainiac (2)
prof x (2)
dark phoenix (2)
illuminati (3)
*lost turn*
alfred pennyworth (2)
maxima (2)
rfg (2)
paradise island (3)
nowhereman: (DONE)
hal jordan (1)
wolverine (1)
ghost rider (2)
lobo (2)
blue beetle (2)
black canary (2)
the punisher (2)
firestorm (2)
blade (2)
howard the duck (2)
anti-monitor (2)
dr. fate (2)
hitman (2)
deadshot (2)
captain britain (2)
jli (3)
moon knight (2)
black knight (2)
resurrection man (2)
black lightning (2)
war machine (2)
US agent (2)
*lost turn*
rogue (2)
artemis (2)
monarch (2)
thunderstrike (2)
*lost turn*
powerman (2)
iron fist (2)
prometheus (2)
commander steel (2)
impulse (2)
ambush bug (2)
valor (2)
time trapper (2)
johnny blaze (2)
hank hall (2)
dove (2)
kestrel (2)
The Outsiders (3)
Force Of July (3)
Coast City (3)
Phantom Stranger (2)
Powergirl (2)
Deathlok (2)
Jesse Quick (2)
Cyclops (2)
Wildchild (2)
Andrew Bennett (2)
Jonah Hex (2)
silver: (DONE)
wonder woman (1)
spider-man (1)
captain america (1)
barbara gordon (1)
ironman (1)
nightwing (1)
green goblin (1)
beast (2)
joker (1)
guy gardener (2)
carnage (1)
wasp (2)
ultron (1)
atom (2)
ra's al ghul (1)
oliver queen (2)
kang (2)
rip hunter (2)
jay garrick (2)
submariner (2)
booster gold (2)
ultra-humante (2)
*lost turn*
avengers (3)
talia (2)
firestar (2)
*lost turn*
*lost turn*
juggernaught (2)
*lost turn*
justice society (3)
*lost turn*
baron zemo (2)
rick jones (2)
hourman (2)
taskmaster (2)
amazo (2)
skeets (2)
baron blood (2)
aunt may (2)
allan: (DONE)
superman (1)
captain atom (2)
thanos (2)
thor (1)
quasar (2)
venom (1)
wonder man (2)
vision (2)
doctor doom (1)
hawkman (2)
loki (2)
mar-vell (2)
terrax (2)
beta ray bill (2)
mister miracle (2)
hercules (2)
kyle rayner (1)
despero (2)
bizarro (1)
aquaman (1)
johnny storm (2)
silver surfer (2)
firelord (2)
oa (3)
asgard (3)
barry allen (1)
mary marvel (2)
jack knight (2)
eclipso (2)
adam strange (2)
captain marvel jr (2)
susan storm (2)
fawcett city (3)
thanagar (3)
THE defenders (3)
keystone city (3)
the thing (2)
spider-man 2099 (2)
starfire (2)
tawky tawny (2)
cyborg (2)
ALL TEAMS ARE COMPLETE
feel free to make public trade proposals with the others, in addition to plotting out your universes' continuity
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The easiest way to go about this, is to look at it in black and white...don't let the gray cloud your vision.
yer right!
now if only that were that humanly possible for a comic book fan ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Bianca:
Make a mental family tree if you have to and then assign values that way. There should be no way that Nightwing is worth the same as Batman. Without Batman, there'd be no Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, etc.
ok, so nightwing isnt as important as batman. but is he more notable than wonder woman? of the three, only batman is a "guaranteed" first tier. the other two could easily be debated over, with observations based on personal opinion.
there IS no clear cut way to categorize characters -- not even the companies themselves have ever been able to.
if the end result is to let ME make that judgement call (as we have been doing), then so be it. because, with the current tier system, whether there are 3 levels or 10, the judgements will always remain one persons' (in this case, mine) -- and we'll be in the same exact place.
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Originally posted by Nowhereman:
I`m not so sure the agent idea is workable,I mean who is gonna be the agents? Not enuff people come here!
odds are, i would end up being the agents (or i could assign individuals to be agents per character, on a case by case basis).
and, maybe, if we went the 'agent' route, it wouldnt really be a 'turn by turn' basis -- you'd each just go mad on a lil shopping spree, trying to spend your money as best and as fast as possible, with agents returning your 'calls' as they saw fit.
hmmm...
...show me the money...
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Ok,I`ve had a mental layout for some time now,just gotta tweak a few things & add some finer points,then I`ll be ready to roll with my universe!
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Welcome to the Nowhereverse!
Ok,first things first,Coast City is the prime city,sorta like Marvels New York or DC`s Metropolis!
Most of the action takes place here,with the JLI & Outsiders teams based here!
JLI is a fully international team with eight countries being represented!
Current roster is:
Black Knight (Great Britain)
Captain Britain (GB)
Wolverine (Canada)
Black Canary (Germany)
Blue Beetle (USA)
Firestorm (Russia)
Moon Knight (Egypt)
Black Lightning (South Africa)
Artemis (Greece)
Jesse Quick (USA)
The JLI has many bases round the world,but Coast City is their primary base!
The team is backed by the United Nations,& even has backing from some non-member countries!
The Outsiders roster is:
Ghost Rider
Johnny Blaze
Rogue
Impulse
Resurrection Man
Cyclops
Wildchild
Hawk
Dove
The Outsiders are the wild card team,definetley heroes but with an outlaw type mentality!
The public doesnt regard them in too good a light,as most of their cases end up quite messy & the team has a lot of inner turmoil!
Third team is Force Of July,the US government backed militaristic team!
Obviously based outta Washington DC,they work for Uncle Sam & they wat you to know it!
Once again,most definetley heroes,but they view nearly all other heroes as dangerous & would love them to be put out of business!
Current roster is:
USAgent
Thunderstrike
War Machine
Deathlok
Powergirl
Commander Steel
Finally for this installment,there is another faction in the universe,although not a team,they are connected!
These people are the agents of Chaos & Order!
Phantom Stranger (Order)
Hawk (Chaos initially but now Order)
Dove (Order)
Kestrel (Chaos)
Resurrection Man (Order)
Blaze (Order)
Monarch (Chaos)
Time Trapper (Chaos)
Ambush bug (Chaos)
Anti-Monitor (Chaos Lord not agent)
Next time,the solo stars & more inside info!
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aunt may (2) <-- y'dont have enuf cash, but im tired of yer shit, so take the old hag!
LOL.
This is a very interesting read. All 15 bloody pages of it.
Why not raise the stakes, give everyone an extra $50 mil., and introduce "independent" characters? Witchblade, Tomb Raider, Fathom from Image, Vampirella, Savage Dragon, Spawn, Cerebus, the Wildstorm universe, Vertigo? Mix it up a little?
No one has picked John Constantine, nor any of the Endless, nor any of the Authority, all of which would have been amongst my first picks.
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No Wildstorm means no Authority!
Ok anyway,here`s the solo star info!
Green Lantern aka Hal Jordan is without a doubt the most powerful hero in my universe,although he does work with others from time to time,he has alienated himself from everyone & prefers to work solo!
He also has a high distrust of the most popular hero in my universe!
Valor is the most popular hero in the Nowhereverse & takes on the role of the DCU Superman!
He is the boy scout of the superworld,but GL believes there is something Valor is hiding!
Lobo is an ultraviolent universal bounty hunter (nothing new there),in the Nowhereverse he isnt anywhere near as comical!
He has set up shop on Earth for a reason,but why?
Punisher isnt a lot different from the Marvelversion except he is younger!
He served in the gulf war & came back home to find his family were killed during a bank robbery gone wrong!
Hating criminals & distrustful of the police he goes on his one man crusade!
Blade is a vampire hunter straight from his movie adventures!
Howard the duck is the weirdest character,he comes from another dimension & is a target of the Lords of Chaos as he is the nexus of all realitys & dimensions!
Dr.Fate is a Lord of Order (missed him from previous list,whoops)!
Not the superhero we are used to,more a Watcher type character but get his hands dirty when needed!
Manipulates agents of Order!
Hitman is a government agent given the job of tidying up the supercommunity when things get messy!
Deadshot,hired mercenary & downright nasty piece of work!
Monarch is an agent of Chaos with some definite connections to Time Trapper & possibly Hawk!
Powerman & Iron Fist are once again the Heroes for hire!
These two are a lot less likely to do anything for free than their Marvel versions,also not quite as clean!
Prometheus is an ex-hero gone bad,has particular animosity from the Outsiders!
Ambush Bug was given powers by Lords of Chaos but they got it wrong and he went rogue!
Neither a hero or villain he just loves to cause chaos where ever he goes,but everything is done in fun!
Time Trapper is an Agent of Chaos with an agenda to control time!
Kestrel was created when original choice,Hawk,turned against them!
Kestrel`s main goal in life is to destroy Hawk & corrupt Dove!
Phantom Stranger is a master manipulator!
An agent of Order himself,he prefers to get his own "agents" to do his work for him!
Rarely gets involved in any dirty work!
Andrew Bennett is a vampire with a soul (hope Jos Whedon doesnt read this),he has had run ins with Blade but they now have a working relationship,but still dont like each other!
Jonah Hex is the wild west bounty hunter we all know & love,but gets transported to the current day,where he sets himself up as a bounty hunte & skip tracer!
Due to his legendary tracking skills,he is hired to track the Punisher,but by who?
Next up,how it all hinges together & who does what!
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No Wildstorm means no Authority!
Or Judge Dredd, Judge Death, the psi-judges, Mega City One and Two. Rogue Trooper. Slayne.
Drok!
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call me crazy (and take my wife) but i like the nowhereverse!
i like the 'force of july' bit. cool deal.
twas suprised to not see shit loads of aggression between the characters in their bios. dead shot and hitman not hating one another? fighting for top spot? does hal jordan get jealous of valors' popularity?
hopefully all will be detailed in the next 'how it hinges together' chapter!
preach on, nowhereverse!
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Oh believe me there will be loads of aggression between various parties as I dont want everyone to get on just cause they are all super powered!
I want the characters to be more realistic & not as goody goody as "normal" superheroes!
Some of the antagonisms might surprise ya!
Hopefully should be giving my first synopsis tonite!
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Here's a rough draft of what I've got so far: The Defenders: Thanos-Mad Demi-god of Titan.Slaughtered entire population except his brother Mar-Vell.Journeys to Earth for a secret known only to him. Mar-Vell-Brother of thanos & owner of the Nega-bands.Sworn to stop Thanos at all costs...no matter who or what gets in his way. Captain Atom-Trapped in a protective suit to keep his dangerous energies in check,Nathaniel Adam looks for a purpose to his existence. Quasar-Appointed the protector of Earth,his Quantum Bands possess awesome power.The only problem is,Quasar hates relying on them to win his battles. Beta Ray Bill-He possess the power of Thor,carries a mighty hammer & is favored by the gods of Asgard.He's also an alien on Earth with no friends.Noble to a fault & sworn to protect the innocent....except those he protects,fear him more than anything else.Looks for a way to escape Thor's shadow and acceptance from humans. Firelord-His home planet destroyed,Firelord has ended up on Earth.Frequents bars & strip clubs & anything else to escape his memories.He once was a great hero but now his temper is hotter than the power Cosmic he posesses. Adam Strange-Brilliant scientist(almost too brilliant),he's a bit arrogant towards others & is never at a loss to promote his intellect.He has great wealth & uses it for his projects.He thinks his genius is wasted on normal people. Obviously this is just a set-up & you can see how these lives will come into contact....but I'm still working it out. ![[woooOOOOoooo!]](graemlins/smilewoo.gif)
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THE FORCE OF JULY
The Force was brought together by some rather powerful but paranoid officials within the United States government!
Believing the worlds primary super team,the JLI was TOO international & did not have the USA`s best interests at heart (they felt some countries should not be helped)!
They first approached WWII veteran Commander Steel,who as a young man was caught in a blast caused by Nazi saboteurs,then using a new unproven technique,his body was rebuilt using steel for his skeleton,servo motors for muscles & using a flesh/steel combination mesh for skin!
The Commander was a member of the wartime team Justice Society of Allies!
Due to the process that saved his life,he had aged a lot slower than a normal human but since the days of the Crisis he had kept a low profile inte superhuman community,instead working more covertly for the US governent!
Commander Steel was appointed leader of the Force!
Next up was the USAgent,who began his career as the Super Patriot afte he was discharged from the US Marine corps!
John Walker had seen the growing number of metahumans & decided that a man with no powers could make a difference!
After some incredibly bad press for his rather brutal techniques,he was forced to go into hiding,until he was approached by the US government totake on the role of USAgent!
Eric Masterson had always wanted to be a soldier,but a weak heart had prevented him from enlisting!
After his dreams were dashed,Eric trained & became highly respected in the fields of archeology,mythology & the supernatural!
Due to the rise in supernatural based metahumans,he was given a job in the government specialising in metahumans!
His studies lead him to believe that he had found the resting place of th Norse Gods,so he set off to Scandanavia in search of his beliefs!
Once inside the cave he believed to be the final resting place,he becametapped in a cave in!
While searching for a way out,he lit a torch which revived the spirit of Odin!
Odin gave the trapped Masterson,the power of his son,Thor the Norse god of thunder,and told him he must use the power to make people believe in the Norse gods once more,so they could rise again!
This enabled him to escape and return to America where he addopted thename Thunderstrike,& became the third member of the Force!
Although Eric is a very altruistic being,Thor was a brutal warrior & it is bcomming harder and harder for Eric to control Thor`s influence over himm,making him switch from calm sensible Eric to a raging warrior,at the dro of a hat!
Deathlok was a soldier in Vietnam,where he was caught in an ambush by te Vietnamese forces!
Near death,he was taken prisoner & taken to a camp where he was kept alive & tortured!
After being liberated by Commander Steel,he was returned to the USA,but was crippled forever!
When he was approached by a representative of the US government to take part in an experiment that would make him not only able bodied again,but a super soldier to boot,he eagerly accepted!
Grafting cybernetic parts to his body,they gave him back his mobility & did indeed give him the super strength as promised,but what he wasnt told was that a new super computer would be attached to his brain as well!
The project left him not only physically deformed,but also left him mentaly barely human!
Deathlok for years was an emotionless killing machine,under the total control of the government!
In recent times his human personality has started to re-emerge & has started a war inside his own head,to retake control of his own body!
War Machine is ex-helicopter pilot James Rhodes!
James was given the War Machine armour by his wealthy industrialist bos,to give it a trial run!
The armour was to be sold to the military if it was sucessful,but on its initial run,the control base was sabotaged by the Russian spy who later became Firestorm!
The outcome was James became trapped inside the armour!
His boss,the only man who knew the tech specs of the armour,was dead!
James spent years trying to find a way out of the armour,& hired himself out as a mercenary during this time until he was approached by the Force representative!
He is a reluctant hero,but has been promised that a way will be found torlease him from the armour (but is the promise hollow?)!
Final member is Powergirl!
Powergirl is the daughter of the superhero Powerman who fought alongside Commande Steel in WWII!
When her father died during the Crisis,Steel resolved to look after her & when the Force was formed,against his wishes,Powergirl was approachedto become the final member!
She accepted,wanting to carry on her fathers work!
Also she has taken exception to the current hero for hire,Luke Cage,believing he has no right to use the name Powerman!
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The Outsiders
The Outsiders are kinda the X-Men of the Nowhereverse,although their deeds should see them given the same kind of adulation as the JLI 9more on them to come),they are looked on by the public less favourably!
They were formed by the current leader Blaze (Johnny Blaze) as a weapon in the war against Chaos!
Blaze is one of the longest serving heroes in the Nowhereverse as he was the original Ghost Rider 15 years ago!
Johnny was a stunt rider years ago,was actually well on his way to being as big as Evel Kenevel,when tragedy struck!
Johnny was kidnapped by a group of Satanists to be sacrificed & make aname for themselves!
Unfortunately for them the worshippers failed in their quest to raise Satan,& raised the demon Zarathos instead!
Zarathos killed all of them but offered Blaze a deal,he could either becoe Zarathos` Earthly vessel or face the same fate as his captors!
Blaze accepted the former & thus became the being known as Ghost Rider!
Five years later he was freed of his curse in as yet unrevealed circumstnces by the Lords of Order,and Johnny went into hiding!
Four years passed & a new Ghost Rider appeared!
Dan Ketch had become cursed with the spirit of Zarathos in a college prank gone wrong!
The Lords of Order approached Blaze & told him a Crisis was coming & ased that he accept similar powers to the ones he had as the Ghost Rider but without the demonic possession,help guide the new Ghost Rider & put together a team to help fight the coming Crisis!
After pursuading Ghost Rider to join,his next recruit was Rogue!
The woman known as Rogue was a mutant who had gained her powers whe she reached puberty!
She ran away from home & had lived on the streets until Blaze came across her when he was the Ghost Rider!
Blaze helped get her back on her feet & helped her gain a small semblanc of control over her powers!
Rogue then became Johnny`s lover & went into hiding with him!
Cyclops,another mutant,also developed his powers at puberty,but he became a superhero straight away,but was never that successful!
Blaze offered to train him if he joined the team!
Hawk was created to be an agent of Chaos,but they made a mistake,because although Hank Hall is a volatile person,he is also incredibly honest & his belief in good is unwavering,so he revolted against Chaos & sworeallegiance to the Lords of Order!
Order then gave Dawn Granger the powers of Dove to partner Hawk & maesure he didnt stray to the side of Chaos!
Wildchild & Impulse are an unlikely pairing!
Wildchild is a mutant & Impulse was involved in an accident in a school chemistry lab which gave him his super speed when he was only ten!
As both were a handful they were sent to a school for wayward youngsters where they both met & became friends!
When the school was destroyed by a fire,the two went on the run as they were both unfairly blamed!
They both adopted superhero id`s & set about battling evil!
Resurrection Man was actually brought back from the dead by the Lords of Order & placed him on the team!
Not much is known about who he is,even he himself is in the dark!
The Outsiders were key players in the Crisis,& were lucky to have all members survive a battle that wiped out a lot of Earths heroes!
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Sidebar!
The Crisis
The Crisis took place about six years ago & was instrumental in what was dubbed the changing of the guard!
Many of the older heroes died,& many new heroes took up the mantle!
When the Chaos lord dubbed the Anti-Monitor destroyed his Order lord counterpart,he set about destroying the universe as we know it!
With the aid of Chaos agents he tried to convert the current universe ino a universe filled with nothing but chaos!
Those that died included many members of the original JLI,the dark detective,the alien icon,the female peace bringer,the red blur & the green alien amongst the key players!
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I kind of like this, Nowie.
The entire things is pointless, but count me in on the next draft.
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[QB][b]The Commander was a member of the wartime team Justice Society of Allies!
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I'LL SUE
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based on the evidence presented...i must conclude......
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