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Originally posted by Dave:
I don't understand why you don't like horny Hulk, but I guess its a matter of personal taste. In Freudian terms, the Hulk was Banner's id - his basest emotions, including sexual emotions. I thought this was a clever spin.
In Freudian terms, perhaps, but that's more of a Jekyll/Hyde thing. The Hulk and Banner are slightly different. The Hulk is Banner's childlike state, personifying the anger and pain Bruce experienced during his childhood, because of his abusive father. It's not really a sexual thing; afterall, children aren't really sexually expressive.

I realize it's not suppose to be the exact same Hulk, but I have noticed many people refer to him as the Hyde of the comic universe, which isn't entirely correct.

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As for the lack of heroism...this is one of the key reasons I liked it. I've met very few actual heroes in real life, but plenty of peole like the Ultimates' Betty Ross, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym.... Finding a person entirely motivted by altrusim in real life is actually a difficult exercise. Most people are motivated by greed, self-worth, jealousy or lust, or a combinationof those things and more.
You work with too many lawyers. [wink]

I judge "realism" by it's believability, by how much I can understand, relate to and empathize with the characters and situations. That's not to suggest that I expect every character to be saintly, but I expect to be given a fair explanation of why they do and think the way they do. That's my barometer for what is "realistic".

And...I can't relate to any of these characters(with the possible exception of Cap). I can't empathize with them. I don't believe in their motivations or perceptions. I find them to be caricatures more than anything else. So, by my grading system, The Ultimates falls far, far short of "realistic".