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What recently canceled series was originally outlined as twelve issues, then backslid to eight, and then just as issue four was finished, cut to 6 issues? The creative team re-worked the story to fit in the remaining two issues, only to find out after issue 5 was in stores, that there would be no #6. The artist was then conveniently available to work on the company's newest franchise book while the writer had to seek employment elsewhere.
Birthright hasn't gone any higher than #30 on the sales charts, meaning it's a total belly flop. (I think this is due to the massive lack of support for it on DC's part and the UNBELIEVABLE hatred levied at it by the Byrne/Jurgens Sycophants™.)
The 6th issue isn't anywhere to be seen in the December solicitations.
Does this mean Waid and Yu's loving, impassioned-but undeservedly hated and neglected series has been put out of its misery? If so (and it's been speculated over at the DC boards--which I took a peek at out of bored curiosity), perhaps it's for the best. DC was all too willing to sweep it under the rug (the reprints of the Byrne TPBs at the exact same time Birthright was still going already undermined Waid's efforts), and the raging egomaniacs passing themselves off as Superman fans never gave the book a fair chance. I also note, with much interest, that Trinity #3 has yet to show up (at least in my area). Again, another quality book that has been savaged by the Byrne/Jurgens Sycophants™ and roasted for not slavishly following the 1986 stories to the letter. Is this DC's way of conceding that they can't and won't ever advance or evolve away from 1986, even though they had no qualms about tossing out the 48 years prior? (For the record, this is what led to me dropping DC altogether recently.)
At any rate, if Birthright is really over, I'm glad for Waid and Yu. They took levels of egomania, selfishness, and hate nobody ever deserved, and they're better off not wasting their time on such a disgusting, insufferable fan base. Let them move on to other things and be better off for it.
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That makes me sad if it's true. I was looking forward to all of Birthright. The first three issues have been wonderful!
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That makes me sad if it's true. I was looking forward to all of Birthright. The first three issues have been wonderful!
If Birthright really has been scrapped, yeah, I guess it'll be a shame that a good series that actually portrayed Superman the way he should be got the axe. But considering the lousy reception it's taken, would it really be so sad? Better to end it now before Waid and Yu totally wind up with egg on their faces, I think.
I will say this, though: After the treatment he's taken on this book, I don't think Waid should ever write Superman again. It's just not worth his time to put his heart and soul into something the target audience will automatically reject. (By contrast, Kia Asamiya's excellent Child Of Dreams was embraced with open arms by the Batman fans, and it doesn't fit into continuity at all. Why are the Superman readers so close-minded when the Batman fans encourage and embrace new takes?)
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That would really stink if Birthright is getting an early cancellation. It took a second read for me to understand what was happening. After that the title has been fun. I hope Waid and Yu get to do what they want if it does get canned.
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What recently canceled series was originally outlined as twelve issues, then backslid to eight, and then just as issue four was finished, cut to 6 issues? The creative team re-worked the story to fit in the remaining two issues, only to find out after issue 5 was in stores, that there would be no #6. The artist was then conveniently available to work on the company's newest franchise book while the writer had to seek employment elsewhere.
I believe he's talking about "Felon" from Greg Rucka, Matt Ryan and Top Cow. There was a lot of controversy over Top Cow fucking with the story's structure, cutting from 8 issues to 6.
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What recently canceled series was originally outlined as twelve issues, then backslid to eight, and then just as issue four was finished, cut to 6 issues? The creative team re-worked the story to fit in the remaining two issues, only to find out after issue 5 was in stores, that there would be no #6. The artist was then conveniently available to work on the company's newest franchise book while the writer had to seek employment elsewhere.
I believe he's talking about "Felon" from Greg Rucka, Matt Ryan and Top Cow. There was a lot of controversy over Top Cow fucking with the story's structure, cutting from 8 issues to 6.
That I haven't heard about. Seriously. I had no awareness of Felon or anything going on with it.
Even so, the situation is still pretty unclear. I guess we'll have to wait for announcements from DC and Top Cow before we know for sure (although I ain't gettin' my hopes up for Birthright....).
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Greg Rucka's book for the same imprint, Felon, is also not having much luck. Originally intended to be an ongoing series, Top Cow have turned it into a limited series - without telling the creators. They only found out a few days before Previews hit the stands, when issue 2 suddenly became issue 2 of 4. The first two issues are pencilled and the third is scripted - but the original initial story arc was planned for six issues. The choice is now whether to squeeze the story into four issues or pick up their pencils and walk.
Just found this, but this was a few years ago. You could be right, The initial quote said "recently cancelled". Now that I think about it more, it could be talking about "Birthright". Or something else entirely.
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I really wanted Birthright to be good. I normally enjoy Waid's work and I have some issues with the Byrne version of Superman.
However, after reading the first two issues, I just didn't think it was very good.
Maybe I'm even MORE "old school" than Waid, but I prefer a Superman story that where Clark Kent wears glasses and uses his powers while wearing blue leotards and a cape.
This story seemed like no more than "Smallville: the summer off from college years" to me.
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Originally posted by the G-man:
I really wanted Birthright to be good. I normally enjoy Waid's work and I have some issues with the Byrne version of Superman.
However, after reading the first two issues, I just didn't think it was very good.
Maybe I'm even MORE "old school" than Waid, but I prefer a Superman story that where Clark Kent wears glasses and uses his powers while wearing blue leotards and a cape.
This story seemed like no more than "Smallville: the summer off from college years" to me.
If you read the third issue, he adopts the glasses and Ma creates his costume. The fourth is supposed to have him coming to Metropolis to interview at the Planet.
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![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif) So the only readable Superman book in ages (well, not really, not since Red Son and Trinity at least ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) and look at the reaction to those as well! )is getting the axe? Man, the so called Superman fans really do deserve any and all crap headed their way. Superman is my favourite hero. He was the reason I even read comic books. But if mediocrity and blandness is what floats these fans boats, I refuse to stand alongside them and be counted as one of them.
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Greg Rucka's book for the same imprint, Felon, is also not having much luck. Originally intended to be an ongoing series, Top Cow have turned it into a limited series - without telling the creators. They only found out a few days before Previews hit the stands, when issue 2 suddenly became issue 2 of 4. The first two issues are pencilled and the third is scripted - but the original initial story arc was planned for six issues. The choice is now whether to squeeze the story into four issues or pick up their pencils and walk.
Just found this, but this was a few years ago. You could be right, The initial quote said "recently cancelled". Now that I think about it more, it could be talking about "Birthright". Or something else entirely.
I think it means Birthright, because the original quote said that the artist was going to be working on the company's next big franchise book. Matt Clark's switching over to DC for The Adventures of Superman, so Top Cow can't be the company in question. By contrast, Leinil Yu has cited Batman as another dream job of his, so who's to say DC might not want to shift him over there?
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So the only readable Superman book in ages (well, not really, not since Red Son and Trinity at least and look at the reaction to those as well!)is getting the axe?
I don't know for certain. But it sure looks like Birthright's on the chopping block. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. Between DC and the "fans," it's gotten no support at all.
And while I'm not up on Red Son, I've seen the hateful, brutal slamming of Trinity...which again is not deserved. But hey, quality is anathema to Superman fans, right?
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Man, the so called Superman fans really do deserve any and all crap headed their way. Superman is my favourite hero. He was the reason I even read comic books. But if mediocrity and blandness is what floats these fans boats, I refuse to stand alongside them and be counted as one of them.
Well, the so-called "new direction" of the books doesn't sound any different than what we've been seeing thus far, and the untalented Chuck Austen--once criticized for his poor handling of the character--is now racking up a fair number of supporters. I'd say mediocrity and blandness will be the order of the day (not that I'll be buying them, mind you). It's rather two-faced, you know. The "fans" will support and encourage a movie where everything about Superman is chucked to the curb (the Abrams/Peters/McG script), but change so much as a syllable from John Byrne in the comics and the "fans" are ready to burn you at the stake. Am I the only one who doesn't understand that mindset?
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King, you never cease to amaze me. Birthright didn't sell. You can't blame people for not liking it. It's a matter of taste.
In fact, all the complaints I've seen were because DC refused to say whether or not Birthright was a retcon or not. If you want to blame someone, blame DC.
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The "fans" will support and encourage a movie where everything about Superman is chucked to the curb (the Abrams/Peters/McG script), but change so much as a syllable from John Byrne in the comics and the "fans" are ready to burn you at the stake.
What fucking universe are you living in?
The fans tore apart the proposed script and have lambasted the constant attempts at getting teen heart-throbs into the lead role. Fans have kept that shitty movie from getting made so far.
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It's funny how Birthright is being praised by a minority of readers as a return of the Silver Age Supes, when it's really little more than a mixture of Smallville and Man of Steel.
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The "fans" will support and encourage a movie where everything about Superman is chucked to the curb (the Abrams/Peters/McG script), but change so much as a syllable from John Byrne in the comics and the "fans" are ready to burn you at the stake.
What fucking universe are you living in?
The fans tore apart the proposed script
Until JJ Abrams sweet-talked Harry Knowles into reversing his stance on the script. That pretty much shut down the protests. I've lost count of how many times I've seen people come to that script's defense since then.
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Funny. At some Superman movie sites (like Superman CINEMA, for instance), Kutcher was and still is a popular choice for the part.
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Fans have kept that shitty movie from getting made so far.
More like WB incompetence has been keeping that film from not happening. The fans' impact on the project is negligible as far as I can see.
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King, you never cease to amaze me. Birthright didn't sell. You can't blame people for not liking it.
They never even gave it a fair chance. They skinned it alive from the go-get for not being a slavish, note-for-note Xerox of John Byrne's work as soon as the perview pages hit. The book was doomed from the start simply because it wasn't the same old thing we've been getting since 1986. (Trinity suffered the exact same fate, and as with Birthright, it was unjustified.)
And if you even bothered to read my first post, I made it clear that DC's refusal to support the book is half the reason why it failed. But the selfishness and egomania of the "fans" is the other half of the reason it bombed. The "kneel before 1986" mantra strangled it in the cradle. It never ceases to amaze me how John Byrne could do whatever he wanted and get away with it, but that nobody else can do the same thing. Where's the fairness in that?
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You do realize that Birthright is more the Byrne version of Superman than Silver Age right? The fact is, ALL the complaint I've been seeing is how continuity is effected. Is Birthright Elseworlds? Is it a Retcon? If it is a Retcon how will it effect the post-Crisis stories etc?
People didn't stay away because it wasn't a xeroxed copy of Byrne (which you need to get off of the idea Byrne has some cult of followers because it aint true), the reason so many people stayed away is because DC refused to give a solid answer on anything.
Or maybe, just maybe, people didn't like it. Or maybe, just maybe, people liked Man of Steel and felt they didn't need to read a rewrite of a story they felt was written well in 1986.
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It's funny how Birthright is being praised by a minority of readers as a return of the Silver Age Supes, when it's really little more than a mixture of Smallville and Man of Steel.
That's why I didn't like it. It was just another way of making Smallville continuity for Supes. Marvel is screwing up their books the same way. Magneto back from the dead and Wolverine drawn to look more like Hugh Jackman just to tie into the movies.
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Until JJ Abrams sweet-talked Harry Knowles into reversing his stance on the script. That pretty much shut down the protests. I've lost count of how many times I've seen people come to that script's defense since then.
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and have lambasted the constant attempts at getting teen heart-throbs into the lead role.
Funny. At some Superman movie sites (like Superman CINEMA, for instance), Kutcher was and still is a popular choice for the part.
I've talked to plenty of Supes fans on other boards and in person. I've not seen anyone defend the new Superman script. The closest I've seen to any accepting of the new project or Kutcher as Supes is an "I'll wait and see." I admit that I don't go to the DC boards because most of the people and the conversations there never interested me, so I don't know, or care, what people there are saying. But, for the most part, I've seen people herald this unproduced movie as the nail in the coffin of the Superman movie franchise much as Batman & Robin was for Bats.
And Knowles never reversed his view on the script. He simply stated that he understood that Abrams, after talking with him, had a love for Superman and was just trying to do something big and new. He still was against many of the ideas in it. It just heightened the things that he originally loved about the script (such as the Superman being torn between who to save when several disasters were happening simultaneously).
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Fans have kept that shitty movie from getting made so far.
More like WB incompetence has been keeping that film from not happening. The fans' impact on the project is negligible as far as I can see.
It was the internet backlash after Knowles report that made the execs. at Warner Bros. to release a statement saying that that wasn't the movie that was going to be filmed. They had the same problems with the script that the fans did (i.e. Krypton not blowing up and Lex being a Kryptonian), so it was going to be rewritten. In other words, they were buying time for another script to be made because it was evident that the current one would just piss fans off and keep them out of the theatres.
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King, you never cease to amaze me. Birthright didn't sell. You can't blame people for not liking it.
They never even gave it a fair chance. They skinned it alive from the go-get for not being a slavish, note-for-note Xerox of John Byrne's work as soon as the perview pages hit. The book was doomed from the start simply because it wasn't the same old thing we've been getting since 1986. (Trinity suffered the exact same fate, and as with Birthright, it was unjustified.)
And if you even bothered to read my first post, I made it clear that DC's refusal to support the book is half the reason why it failed. But the selfishness and egomania of the "fans" is the other half of the reason it bombed. The "kneel before 1986" mantra strangled it in the cradle. It never ceases to amaze me how John Byrne could do whatever he wanted and get away with it, but that nobody else can do the same thing. Where's the fairness in that?
DC didn't hype The Authority too much, and it became a huge hit. Word of mouth helps sell books that are good. And maybe readers didn't want to pay the money for the book. With a lot of prestige format comics coming out lately, money amoung comic buyers is getting thinner and thinner. With Superman's books in decay, people may not have been willing to shell out the cash for it.
Maybe most readers weren't interested in the story itself. I know I wasn't. And not because it wasn't sticking to Byrne's origin 100%. I didn't like it because it wasn't a progression. If you're going to retell Superman's origins, make it fresh and new, which is what Byrne did. Birthright didn't move ahead. It went backwards. I didn't find anything new or compelling about it. It was just there to bring the Silver Ageiness back to the origin and retread some of Byrne's material. Give me something else and not the same shit over and over again.
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Maybe most readers weren't interested in the story itself. I know I wasn't. And not because it wasn't sticking to Byrne's origin 100%. I didn't like it because it wasn't a progression. If you're going to retell Superman's origins, make it fresh and new, which is what Byrne did. Birthright didn't move ahead. It went backwards. I didn't find anything new or compelling about it. It was just there to bring the Silver Ageiness back to the origin and retread some of Byrne's material. Give me something else and not the same shit over and over again. [/QB]
Isn't it amazing how EVERYONE likes to go in "brand new directions"...
...by giving us the SAME OLD story????
Krypton exploded. Kal-El came here. Grew up. Became Superman.
SIMPLE.
Don't try to give him that "Peter Parker angst" (like the Smallville TV show...and certainly don't bring that thought into the comics...)
The Byrne origin isn't perfect, but it is done. Can we progress from there now? (Implying the book, not the postings!)
Even Byrne said, in hindsight, his getting rid of the Superboy part of the Superman legend was a mistake (and, to be honest, I was happy we lost the Super-dog, cat, monkey, horse etc. AND find it frustrating that it has wandered back...)
This is the exact problem the latest Star Trek show, Enterprise is having (going back "pre-Kirk"...great. Means you can't meet anyone lasting; and that you know that, eventually these folks will form a Federation...that, and the lame Braga/Berman non-progressing shows. Though, it looks like Season three will be a break from that...to a depressing, barren future. Not exactly the escapist TV I'm looking for...)
How about we take the Superman legend into the 21st Century? (But, therein lies the difficulty...he's revealed his I.D. to Lois, married her, joined the JLA, made peace with Batman...what NOW? And, if I had the answer to that, that people would read...I'D likely be working for DC. Fact is, it is harder than it sounds...)
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Birthright was a simplistic retread of the bad Silver Age ideas. It was a sad stretch at attempting to make parts of SMALLVILLE canon. When will the industry learn that there can be more than one version of an idea? SMALLVILLE can exist and be loved, just as the Byrne-created era can be loved. The two do not need to be mirror images of each other. Birthright was a waste of time on Waid's part, and a waste of talent on Yu's. What's so great about 48 years of silly, silly concepts that's worth trying to bring back? A Super-Dog? The "S" being the family crest?! These leaps of plausibility...even within a comic book...are simply childish. Forget Birthright. It bored me with issue #1. Issue #2 wasn't any better. The current books are pretty lame, as well. And, yes, I LOVE Byrne's Superman. It was smart, decisive, and welcomed common-sense fans from outside the medium with a confusion-factor of zero. I, for one, celebrate the demise of Birthright. ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) That is, only, my opinion, however...
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What's so great about 48 years of silly, silly concepts that's worth trying to bring back? A Super-Dog? The "S" being the family crest?! These leaps of plausibility...even within a comic book...are simply childish.
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Personally, I thought Birthright was well done. Now, understand that I am a late bloomer to comics, having only been "into" them for a few years now. For that reason, I prefer newer concepts to old ones. For example, I prefered Wally, Kyle, and Connor to Barry, Hal, and Ollie. Just a matter of personal preference.
That having been said, I've never read Byrne's run on Superman nor can I honestly say that I have any desire to. John Byrne, in my opinion, has long outlived his usefulness in comics and should be put out to pasture, along with Peter David. The guy just doesn't seem to have any juice left and I just can't be bothered by looking back to "when he was good."
However, I thought Waid's run, while obviously telling the same story (think of how irate people would be if significant changes were actually made), I thought he told it in a modern way, giving the whole story a very "Ultimate" feel, at least to me. Personally, I wasn't worried about continuity so much as I was just wanting to read Waid's take on the character he'd fought so hard to finally be able to write. And, when he got the book, I was excited, because I know that if a writer loves the book he's on, the product will be good.
And, in this case, it was.
But, again, these are just my opinions, which I'm sure the more ravenous among you will now proceed to rip to tiny bits. Thank you.
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However, I thought Waid's run, while obviously telling the same story (think of how irate people would be if significant changes were actually made), I thought he told it in a modern way, giving the whole story a very "Ultimate" feel, at least to me.
THANK YOU!
I completely agree with everything you posted but I just wanted to highlight this part. When you're dealing with an iconic character, just how radical can you get in retelling his origin before you alter the substance of Superman himself. I think the folks who wrote that abysmall movie treatment learned this the hard way.
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All I want is a good supergirl. Is that too much to ask for?
Yes, it is.
Be honest, you don't want a 'good' Supergirl, you want a Kryptonian Supergirl.
The Matrix/Linda Danvers version of the character was superior to the Kara version in every way you can think of, but people didn't give her a chance for the simple fact that she wasn't Kryptonian.
If instead of being a clone of the Lana Lang of an alternate dimension she had been a clone of the Superboy of an alternate dimension (which would make her Kryptonian), or the Kara of an alternate dimension then people would have accepted her.
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All I want is a good supergirl. Is that too much to ask for?
Yes, it is.
Be honest, you don't want a 'good' Supergirl, you want a Kryptonian Supergirl.
Yeah, Pig Iron. How dare you assuming you know what you want?!
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All I want is a good supergirl. Is that too much to ask for?
Yes, it is.
Be honest, you don't want a 'good' Supergirl, you want a Kryptonian Supergirl.
The Matrix/Linda Danvers version of the character was superior to the Kara version in every way you can think of, but people didn't give her a chance for the simple fact that she wasn't Kryptonian.
If instead of being a clone of the Lana Lang of an alternate dimension she had been a clone of the Superboy of an alternate dimension (which would make her Kryptonian), or the Kara of an alternate dimension then people would have accepted her.
No, I liked the David Supergirl. I like Kara better yes. Hmmm, did the matrix supergirl have 20+ years of continuity? Did she die in Crisis and basically become erased? Barry is atleast remembered. Your forthcoming superhorse arguement is baseless as david has a comet variation with a similar centaur backstory. Supergirl is/was meant to be superman's cousin. A relation. Just because people cling to the lone kryptonian arguement, which is over now anyway, people whine about Kara being inferior. How?
Name 4 or 5 events in the DCU in the past 20 years that are well remembered. Death of Barry, death of supergirl, batman's back and death of supes, and hal's turning.
Obviously she is well remembered and has a more lasting place. You can tear her down all you want but if Matrix died.. 20,000 people might care...but 30,000 + showed up for kara's return and more would hav eif they thought it was anything more than a ruse.
I like a doe-eyed, younger Cousin who has a similar tragic history. A person supes can relate to and share his heritage with. now he has no one and he's mostly boring. see a correlation?
So you can have your new, improved Bendis inspired , taking it anal supergirl or whoever shows up next. I'll wait until someone similar, not a clone necessarily, shows up.
Comics are not real. They are fantasy. Super-hero Comics have a moral code or they're mostly irrelevant. Wouldn't it be nice to have an icon of good to balance the new batgirl, powergirl, huntress, boring wonder woman, or any other DC heroine? I think so.
If you don't think so fine. But your Matrix supergirl has been replaced by some new ditz. And no one really cares..except for you and the 11 people on the supergirl boards.
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I like a doe-eyed, younger Cousin who has a similar tragic history. A person supes can relate to and share his heritage with. now he has no one and he's mostly boring. see a correlation?
This is where your entire argument falls flat.
Matrix embodies all of that (her world died, just like Kal's did, and she was raised by the Kents, just like Kal was. She's his sister, which is better than being his cousin).
You say you want a good Supergirl and then you list the things you want her to be but ignore the fact that that's exactly what Matrix was, why?
Lana Lang has always been more of a sister to Clark Kent than any other woman in his entire life, she's the small town girl he can tell all his secrets to, the one that got away because he didn't see her as anything more than a younger sister. Matrix is a clone of that person, and her having powers (different yet similar to his) and having been raised by the Kents to belive in the same things that Clark does is what makes her superior to Kara, regardless of her not being as 'old' as Kara was.
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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
All I want is a good supergirl. Is that too much to ask for?
Yes, it is.
Be honest, you don't want a 'good' Supergirl, you want a Kryptonian Supergirl.
The Matrix/Linda Danvers version of the character was superior to the Kara version in every way you can think of, but people didn't give her a chance for the simple fact that she wasn't Kryptonian.
If instead of being a clone of the Lana Lang of an alternate dimension she had been a clone of the Superboy of an alternate dimension (which would make her Kryptonian), or the Kara of an alternate dimension then people would have accepted her.
Shut the fuck up! Everyone's tired of your bitching and whining. Get a fucking life.
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Originally posted by theDRUNKENdoctor:
Get a fucking life.
The ones that need a life are those that have spent the last 17 years whinning over Man of Steel and Crisis...
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You're still here, MOTA? I would have thought you killed yourself after realizing that nobody likes you and you're a pathetic loser.
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You're still here, MOTA? I would have thought you killed yourself after realizing that nobody likes you and you're a pathetic loser.
Nope.
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
Wolverine drawn to look more like Hugh Jackman
You obviously haven't seen Chris Bachalo draw him... ![[eh?]](images/icons/confused.gif)
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Birthright was a waste of time on Waid's part, and a waste of talent on Yu's. What's so great about 48 years of silly, silly concepts that's worth trying to bring back? A Super-Dog? The "S" being the family crest?! These leaps of plausibility...even within a comic book...are simply childish.
First off, the S-shield as the House of El crest had its genesis in the 1978 movie, not in the comics.
Secondly, the idea of the S-shield as the El crest is brilliant. What better way to explain where the emblem came from, and what better way to show Superman's link to his heritage by having it be the centerpiece of his uniform? Besides, several alphabets have the same letters in common, but they all have different meanings in each language/culture. Just because WE see the shield as an "S" doesn't mean it's an "S" to the Kryptonians.
But than again, I guess the only valid version of Superman is the 1986-1999 vision and that all others are inherently evil and worthless....
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You're still here, MOTA? I would have thought you killed yourself after realizing that nobody likes you and you're a pathetic loser.
Ok saying someone should kill themselves, isn't being a pathetic loser..... OK.
First let me say I read "Birthright", and I liked it.... as an Elseworlds or Alternate Origin.
King Krypton by you coming on here and blasting the fans that prefer the Byrne's "Man of Steel" over "Birthright" is kind of funny.
You don't like the "Man of Steel" continuity so you see anything replacing it as gold. Yet fans of "Man of Steel" are suppose to sit twiddling their thumbs because someone wants to rehash old plots.
I know next thing we can do is bring back Kryptonite in all it's funnyy and tasty 32 flavors.
Then we can bring back other Kryptonians.
There is a reason why DC did away with those things, because they became nothing more than jokes.
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He didn't say he should commit suicide.
If you're new here, you don't know what an annoying jackass MotA is.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
The ones that need a life are those that have spent the last 17 years whinning over Man of Steel and Crisis...
As well as the jackasses who bitch against any and all things Silver Age and about comic books they've never even read.
I'm probably going drinking again tonight. And when I'm done, this guy will be back:
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