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Conner Kent is MOTA! Alt ID!
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Conner Kent is MOTA! Alt ID!
Nope... What possible reason could I have to do that?
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by TK-069:
Conner Kent is MOTA! Alt ID!
Nope... What possible reason could I have to do that?
So that you could finally have a "friend".
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
So that you could finally have a "friend".
I have many friends, haen't you heard? They're called the... what did King Krypton call it, Continuity Taliban?
Apparently we kill people and blow up buildings when comic book continuity changes...
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Originally posted by datalore:
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Maybe most readers weren't interested in the story itself. I know I wasn't. And not because it wasn't sticking to Byrne's origin 100%. I didn't like it because it wasn't a progression. If you're going to retell Superman's origins, make it fresh and new, which is what Byrne did. Birthright didn't move ahead. It went backwards. I didn't find anything new or compelling about it. It was just there to bring the Silver Ageiness back to the origin and retread some of Byrne's material. Give me something else and not the same shit over and over again.
Isn't it amazing how EVERYONE likes to go in "brand new directions"...
...by giving us the SAME OLD story????[/QB]
The fact is that if DC is going to retell the origin story, which fans have seen countless times, then something different and new has to be done with it. Just rehashing the old is no good. It's boring and keeps the character stagnant.
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Krypton exploded. Kal-El came here. Grew up. Became Superman.
SIMPLE.
Not that simple. Clark/Superman was shaped and molded by the events that happened after his ship crashed more than he ever was by the fact that he's from a dead planet and has super powers. It's the man that makes Superman intersting. That's why there are so many Elseworld books dealing with Kal-El's ship landing in different places and at different times.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
So that you could finally have a "friend".
I have many friends, haen't you heard? They're called the... what did King Krypton call it, Continuity Taliban?
Apparently we kill people and blow up buildings when comic book continuity changes...
Heh! That one's actually funny. Too bad the rest of your posts can't be that clever.
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Heh... I think MOTA created the alt ID so he could admit he liked Birthright (as an alternate elseworlds origin, which means he liked the story but because of the context it's in he also doesn't like it).
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
IPs don't lie, MOTA.
Right, they don't lie.
Conner and I aren't the same person, but you keep yapping...
Do you consider yourself a paranoid person?
Is it really all that hard for you to believe in that Silver age fucked up head of yours that more than one person might not like Birthright?
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Originally posted by Conner Kent:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
You're still here, MOTA? I would have thought you killed yourself after realizing that nobody likes you and you're a pathetic loser.
Ok saying someone should kill themselves, isn't being a pathetic loser..... OK.
Go fuck yourself.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
So that you could finally have a "friend".
I have many friends, haen't you heard? They're called the... what did King Krypton call it, Continuity Taliban?
Apparently we kill people and blow up buildings when comic book continuity changes...
Personally I'd describe you as a "Thought Terrorist." ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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Connor Kent isn't MOTA... at least I don't think he is...
He's a frequent poster of the Talk@Newsarama boards... as is MOTA and I. He has an annoying view on comic books that isn't quite the same as MOTA, it's almost a little worse.
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My silver age fucked head? I've read about 20 silver age stories. You've read way more than I, even though you despise it (just like you keep buying Superman comics even though you admit they suck).
It's not hard for me to believe that someone else doesn't like Birthright. I haven't read Birthright. A lot of people in this thread didn't like Birthright, and I respect a lot of them. But this Connor Kent fella? C'mon, he's obviously you.
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
First off, the S-shield as the House of El crest had its genesis in the 1978 movie, not in the comics.
I'm sorry, did I imply that I was talking strictly about the comic books, or, was I talking about the era in which the Silver Age existed, up to and including the year 1978? Let's see...
"What's so great about 48 years of silly, silly concepts that's worth trying to bring back? A Super-Dog? The "S" being the family crest?!"
Well, the wording is a bit vague, so, I'll give you that one.
Secondly, the idea of the S-shield as the El crest is brilliant.
According to whom?
What better way to explain where the emblem came from,
Well, you could explain the way it was explained in Man of Steel. Lois dubs him "Superman" after his first public appearance (sans costume). Thus, his mother sews an "S"-crest to stand for his public name. How's that? Pretty simple, and straightforward. Easier and a bit more logical than having to pause the DVD and go into detail about how the Kryptonians "see" the "fishy-shapes" of yellow around, what is obviously, a big, red "S" as the actual crest of El. This is pretty common sense, you know?
and what better way to show Superman's link to his heritage by having it be the centerpiece of his uniform?
His heritage? Oh, you mean the fact that he's from Kansas? Well, his mother did sew it on there for him. And she's from Kansas.
Or, do you mean the Kryptonian genetics that constitue his physical design? Does that mean that Batman must have a human DNA symbol on his outfit to show his link to his "heritage"?
Clark's genetics are Kryptonian. His heritage is American farmboy.
Besides, several alphabets have the same letters in common, but they all have different meanings in each language/culture. Just because WE see the shield as an "S" doesn't mean it's an "S" to the Kryptonians.
I think I answered this above. Either way, a perfect example of "too complicated for it's own sake".
But than again, I guess the only valid version of Superman is the 1986-1999 vision and that all others are inherently evil and worthless.... ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif)
Jaysis christ....it's called "Paxil". Look into it.
What an absurd and overly-dramatic display of creating entire fiction around what I said.
The Silver Age of Superman was great.......IN the Silver Age! Didn't Mark Waid's godawful Silver Age mini-series prove anything? There is no way to recreate the Silver Age as you remember it. It is gone. Kaput. Done.
But, even if it weren't, and they DID bring it back...it still wouldn't be the same. It's hard to digest, I know. Trust me, I'm a Doctor Who fan. And, as any Who-fan will tell you, it's hard to realize that the series is gone. And, if brought back, it would be a completely different animal, just due to the natural passing of time.
I enjoyed the Silver Age. Curt Swan's Superman is what got me hooked to the character. But, like me, the character has to change...or die. He has grow, or become stagnant. Evolve, or perish. It is a simple rule of the universe, and one that you are seemingly intelligent enough to understand.
If Superman is to get another reboot, then, so be it. But, it has to be a progression....NOT a retread of used ideas.
So, understand?
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
IPs don't lie, MOTA.
Right, they don't lie.
Conner and I aren't the same person, but you keep yapping...
Do you consider yourself a paranoid person?
Is it really all that hard for you to believe in that Silver age fucked up head of yours that more than one person might not like Birthright?
I'd buy you a sense of humor, but I'm afraid that you'd never take it out of the box.
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
IPs don't lie, MOTA.
No they don't.
See now if you actually checked the IP's you would have seen that my IP is from a WebTV Server, and his is from a computer.
And guess what? WebTV isn't available in Mexico.
God forbid someone should go against the Waid Worshipers, and everyone here talks about Byrne's fans.
I said I liked "Birthright" onto itself, but it should not replace a perfectly fine origin.
And let's not forget why we got "Man of Steel" was a needed. DC relaunched it's Universe, so they update and cleaned up their flagship hero's origin.
"Birthright" is not needed. It's just a way for Waid to mold the DCU to the way he wants it.
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Same goes for you. And I'll add a: 
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Connor, who even gave you the Rob-board address? It was Moaty, wasn't it?
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
But this Connor Kent fella? C'mon, he's obviously you.
Really?
Well, I know we're not, but you insist that we are, so prove it...
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Originally posted by woodstock:
Connor, who even gave you the Rob-board address? It was Moaty, wasn't it?
I gave it to him to show him Disco Steve's asumption that I had killed myself so we could laugh at it. He posted a message because he felt like it, not because I asked him to.
I just hope you treat other newbies to the board better that you did him now and you did me when I first signed up...
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
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Originally posted by Conner Kent:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
You're still here, MOTA? I would have thought you killed yourself after realizing that nobody likes you and you're a pathetic loser.
Ok saying someone should kill themselves, isn't being a pathetic loser..... OK.
Go fuck yourself.
Ah truely the words of someone who can't think of anything intelligent, so the resort to petty small minded insults. Well I'll stoop to your low level of coments.
Your Momma
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Originally posted by woodstock:
Connor Kent isn't MOTA... at least I don't think he is...
He's a frequent poster of the Talk@Newsarama boards... as is MOTA and I. He has an annoying view on comic books that isn't quite the same as MOTA, it's almost a little worse.
Ok what are my "views" on comic books?
Because MoTA, and I do differ in our opinions but see I respect people enough to agree to disagree.
I take their opinions into consideration, and not Flame them because they don't follow my way of thinking.
So if you would be so kind and enlighten me with what you say my views on Comic Books are?
Oh and The Doctor "STFU" too.
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Originally posted by Conner Kent:
No they don't.
See now if you actually checked the IP's you would have seen that my IP is from a WebTV Server, and his is from a computer.
And guess what? WebTV isn't available in Mexico.
Sure, MOTA, suuuuurrre...
So, seriously, you're not MOTA... Just another guy with the same wacky ideas. Big difference.
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I said I liked "Birthright" onto itself, but it should not replace a perfectly fine origin.
And let's not forget why we got "Man of Steel" was a needed. DC relaunched it's Universe, so they update and cleaned up their flagship hero's origin.
"Birthright" is not needed. It's just a way for Waid to mold the DCU to the way he wants it.
I haven't read Birthright, I can't tell if it's exactly what Superman needs or not... But I can tell you one thing for sure, a fresh new origin is needed desperately. I like "Man of Steel", but by this point it's just too... old. Have you noticed that, the further we get from it, the suckier the Superman comics get?
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
Have you noticed that, the further we get from it, the suckier the Superman comics get?
That's one of the reasons why the comics suck, because they stopped using the MoS continuity, they reverted back to 1970's continuity, when Superman prayed to Rao and he had any power he wanted, like he does in Casey's Adventures of Superman.
MoS is NOT the problem, the problem is when the morons making the comics ignore it.
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We're nice to the new guys if they don't offer dumbass opinions (pretty much trolling) in their first posts. Hell, I'm pretty much a new guy too. Only been here since March!
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
Personally I'd describe you as a "Thought Terrorist."
That's actually not bad...
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Originally posted by woodstock:
We're nice to the new guys if they don't offer dumbass opinions
Do you have any idea of how subjective that is? lol
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Originally posted by Conner Kent:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
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Originally posted by Conner Kent:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
You're still here, MOTA? I would have thought you killed yourself after realizing that nobody likes you and you're a pathetic loser.
Ok saying someone should kill themselves, isn't being a pathetic loser..... OK.
Go fuck yourself.
Ah truely the words of someone who can't think of anything intelligent, so the resort to petty small minded insults. Well I'll stoop to your low level of coments.
Your Momma
You're a friend of MOTA. Therefore, you are a stupid cocksucker.
Why should I say anything intelligent to someone dumb enough to like him?
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
Personally I'd describe you as a "Thought Terrorist."
That's actually not bad...
Thanks.
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We've been poolling our suggestions in the PRIVATE BOARDS, and, after weeks of preparation, we went with "Thought Terrorist". We should have one for Conner Kent by the time Ultimates Vol. 2 is out.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
That's one of the reasons why the comics suck, because they stopped using the MoS continuity, they reverted back to 1970's continuity, when Superman prayed to Rao and he had any power he wanted, like he does in Casey's Adventures of Superman.
MoS is NOT the problem, the problem is when the morons making the comics ignore it.
So they didn't suck during the last years of the Jurgens era? C'mon, I love those guys... but the shit they were writing at that time is unbelievable. Better than anything in the Super-titles I've read since then, though.
As I explained to you back then, the problem became even bigger when they tried to appeal to Silver Age nostalgia AND Byrne nostalgia at once. They didn't ignore Byrne's origin, they avoided it. It was never deleted, it was still there, and there's only so much a writer can do if you're trying to avoid something as vital as a character's origin. To top things, they were also trying to appeal to Silver Age nostalgia. What resulted from that are comics that Byrne fans and Silver Age fans don't like.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
Do you have any idea of how subjective that is? lol
I have a honest question for you. I'm a curious guy.
Is it like this for you in other forums?
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
So they didn't suck during the last years of the Jurgens era? C'mon, I love those guys... but the shit they were writing at that time is unbelievable. Better than anything in the Super-titles I've read since then, though.
I belive we already agreed that they did suck that last year, but it wasn't because of the 12 year old origin, it was because the creators were burned out.
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As I explained to you back then, the problem became even bigger when they tried to appeal to Silver Age nostalgia AND Byrne nostalgia at once. They didn't ignore Byrne's origin, they avoided it. It was never deleted, it was still there, and there's only so much a writer can do if you're trying to avoid something as vital as a character's origin. To top things, they were also trying to appeal to Silver Age nostalgia. What resulted from that are comics that Byrne fans and Silver Age fans don't like.
Jurgens and his crew weren't trying to appeal to the SA crowd, that's been Eddie's crew all along and they are the ones that failed.
I do agree with the rest of what you said, but it sounds like you agree that BR isn't necessary, all that's needed is for the people making the comics to pay attention to the origin.
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
I have a honest question for you. I'm a curious guy.
Is it like this for you in other forums?
How can it not be? There are old fans who can't let go of the past everywhere. Try explaining to them something as simple as Crisis and why Man of Steel happened and they instantly become intolerable and obnoxious, so I treat them like they do me.
Those like Conner, the ones who it is possible to have an inteligent conversation with, I treat with respect, like the one they show me.
I'm not the one that resorts to insults and attacks, I attack ideas, not people. When those people can't defend their ideas without attacking me personaly, well, they get what they give, nothing more and nothing less.
Take Disco Steve for example. He chooses to use insults so that's what he gets...
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Originally posted by woodstock:
We've been poolling our suggestions in the PRIVATE BOARDS, and, after weeks of preparation, we went with "Thought Terrorist". We should have one for Conner Kent by the time Ultimates Vol. 2 is out.
Heh
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
I belive we already agreed that they did suck that last year, but it wasn't because of the 12 year old origin, it was because the creators were burned out.
In addition to the fact that the story was getting just too long.
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Jurgens and his crew weren't trying to appeal to the SA crowd, that's been Eddie's crew all along and they are the ones that failed.
I wasn't talking about Jurgens and co., I was talking about the guys that write now.
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I do agree with the rest of what you said, but it sounds like you agree that BR isn't necessary, all that's needed is for the people making the comics to pay attention to the origin.
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No, my whole point is that the origin isn't fresh anymore.
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No, my whole point is that the origin isn't fresh anymore.
Who says it has to be?
Do you buy comics to read the characters origin or to read the characters adventures?
The origin is set in the past, both in the real world and in the context of the comic. Why does the origin have to be 'fresh'?
What needs to be 'fresh' is the stories that take place in the now, today, not those that took place 25 years ago from the characters p.o.v.
Origins don't make the stories, they are meant to introduce the characters, not define them for their entire existance.
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Take Disco Steve for example. He chooses to use insults so that's what he gets...
I want to fuck you so bad.
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Captain America's origin dates back to 1941...
Spider-Man's to 1963...
Thor's to 1961...
The Fantastic Four also debuted in 1961...
Those origins haven't been changed, they have been modernized, sure, but they are still the same ones. If you want to buy a comic with the origin of the F4 you have to buy comics dated all the way to 1961.
Do you think those origins are 'fresh'?
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I want to fuck you so bad.
LMAO...
See, I knew you didn't have any taste...
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
I want to fuck you so bad.
LMAO...
See, I knew you didn't have any taste...
Heh.
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