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And, as I noted on another thread about Bryne and Claremont's recent work on JLA: Back in the 1970s, Byrne and Claremont were considered groundbreaking. They brought dynamic art, innovative story-telling and rich characterization to team books (such as JLA) that had previously been known for nothing so much as rote plots and cookie cutter personalities.
Now, they're doing the same kind of lame, throwaway, plot that we used to get in the "Justice League of America" nearly every month in the 1970s (and what drove us to give up on the book for comics like "X-men" in the first place): One or more members of the team is/was captured/mind controlled by some no-name villain and its up to the remainder of the team (whose personalities seem interchangeable) to come to the rescue. And Byrne's art, while still ahead of the hen scratchings that he's fostered upon us lately, was pedestrian and stiff.
Not only aren't these guys innovators any more, but they are ripping off the very type of comic book that we used to buy their work to avoid. And they aren't putting a unique or modern spin on it, either (the way that Moore does with his ABC comics, for example).
It's almost as if the Beatles were all alive, and reunited to do nothing except cover the old Frankie Avalon and Fabian tunes they forced off the charts back in 64.
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