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Pig Iran said: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave: <strong> I quite liked Sensational She-Hulk.
But then compare that to his atrocious run on Wonder Woman.
The only good thing Byrne did there was turn WW into a goddess..then DC stripped her of her new powers the next issue sfter his run was over...tragic. The only good thing Byrne did there was turn WW into a goddess..then DC stripped her of her new powers the next issue sfter his run was over...tragic
Incidentally, Byrne has been the subject of criticism over his often sadistic portrayal of women - see the She-Hulk graphic novel (She-Hulk is naked, chained and watched on video by a voyueristic and corrupt SHIELD agent): Big Barda's apparent rape at the hands of a minion of Darkseid in an issue of Action Comics (in which she and Superman later make a porn film - I kid you not!), and others. They was a website on the subject, the link to which I've now lost.
I have those...they are a bit twisted..I only realized recently that Shulkie's nipple was hanging out in one of the panels .
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Next Men and Danger Unlimited were the last truly great Byrne stories IMO.
My favorite Byrne works in order are..
X-Men Alpha Flight Fantastic Four Avengers (various 175-200) Iron Fist Secret origins Doom Patrol Issue. Man of Steel/Superman/Action Comics (Action Comics Annual #1 being the jewel in the crown) She-Hulk Captain America Next Men/Danger Unlimited Marvel Team-Up Hulk Avengers west Coast (yeah, I liked it) Omac Namor (about half the run was pretty decent.especially the savage Land issues)
In terms of comparing Byrne to other artists i think John Buscema is a good comparison. John Byrne could have been a better version of John Buscema..but he got the attitude.
I met him..he was a decent enough fellow, but he exuded cockiness (if I can judge). he had a decent sense of humor and was relatively cheerful. It just felt that he lost all interest in comics when I finally met him in 92. He had no spark about him as other creators had.
His intent on inking his own work and writing his own work was to his detriment. He needed creative refreshers and he never allowed himself to have any. hopefully his new JLA work with Claremont will re-energize him..
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Wonder Boy
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Re: John Byrne: The good years, the bad years, and what the heck went wrong?
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Wonder Boy
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