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http://platinumstudios.com/titles/supreme.php  Storyline: Ethan Crane is SUPREME, the world's mightiest hero. So why doesn't he remember who he is? Determined to rediscover his own history, Supreme sets out on a quest that takes him beyond the edge of reality...and into the SUPREMACY, a dimension populated by hundreds of alternate versions of Supreme from the past, present, and future. Award-winning comics master Alan Moore ( Miracleman, Swamp Thing, Watchmen, From Hell, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Top Ten, Promethea) turned the world of superhero comics upside down with his inventive, epic reimagining of Supreme...setting the stage for his reinvention of the entire Awesome Comics universe. Entertainment Weekly hailed Supreme: The Story of the Year, the paperback collection of Moore's first 12 issues of Supreme, as "graphic novels you really oughta get your hands on."  
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Butterfly Supreme
Big Boy Supreme
Dolphin Supreme
Fish Supreme (that sounds like something you order at Sizzler)
Gorilla Supreme
Elephant Supreme
Mecha Supreme
Whale Supreme
And you guys want the same to happen to Superman!!
Argh!!!
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I have one
How many Supremes does it need to screw in a light bulb?
Let me rephrase it
How many Supremes does it need to sell a comic book?
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Something tells me you hate the Green Lantern Corps, then.
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Something tells me you hate the Green Lantern Corps, then.
If the Green Lantern Corps were made up of alternates of Hal from all over the multiverse I would, but since it's a team of alien cops, each of them individuals with nothing in commun other than their uniform and their oath to keep galactic peace I see no reason to compare the GLC with... this.
The Green Lantern Corps has nothing that can be compared to the Supremacy, while the Supremacy is just a rip off of one of Moore's old ideas, the Captain Britain Corps.
But I opened this topic to show Supreme's fans that, apparently, Platinum Studios and Awesome are getting together to market the character, most probably as a movie or something.
I'm just adding my comments on how Supreme went from being a cool character to just a rip off of Superman and Captain Britain, which is hilarious.
Do clarify one thing for me since I'm very curious.
What's the difference between Suprema and Lady Supreme?
Are they opposites like Supergirl and Power Girl or two different women from the same reality?
And is Kid Supreme Supreme when he was a boy or more like Kon-El?
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Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Just fucking give it up already. Nobody cares what you think. Think whatever you want. If you'd take the time to read an actual novel (except maybe novels based on comic books, assuming you can get past the big words) and learn about writing, you'd under stand literary devices such as parody, satire, and homage. But you clearly don't. This makes you useless to talk to, since you are a complete fucking moron. Why don't you let it go?
You know what? I now WANT that to happen to Superman. I want the Supermonkey and the Superlesbian and the Superamoeba. Just to spite you. And I want all the Silver age stuff back. 100 kinds of kryptonite, Superman knowing everything about his homeplanet to the point of Lois knowing Kryptonian martial arts and delicious Kryptonian cooking secrets. And I want him to be able to throw the universe to kill that damn roach in Superbaby's bedroom while he rocks Superbaby's crib to get him to sleep. All for you, you walking shit for brains retard.
And I'm going to BUY the fucking Supreme TPB and read it and enjoy the hell out of it. Just to spite you.
How do you like them apples, you silly little fool?
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You want comics with simplistic elements like Supermonkeys and accuse me of having problems with big words?
OOOOK.
And Supreme is not a homage, it's Moore reusing ideas from SA Superman and his Captain Britain.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
And Supreme is not a homage
hom·age
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Special honor or respect shown or expressed publicly.
Wrong again.
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And Supreme is not a homage
hom·age
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Special honor or respect shown or expressed publicly.
Wrong again.
Using variations of old ideas and alterations of characters is not a homage, it's a rip off.
According to your logic anyone can do the same story from Star Wars long as they change the characters names and how they're dressed.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
Using variations of old ideas and alterations of characters is not a homage, it's a rip off.
....the English American Heritage Dictionary 4th Edition disagrees. As do all individuals who understand what the word actually means.
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According to your logic anyone can do the same story from Star Wars long as they change the characters names and how they're dressed.
"My logic"? My logic????
It's the definition given in the dictionary! It's not my logic, it's the logic of the english language!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=homage
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This is hilarious.
Liefeld admits in Previews that he ripped off Superman to create Supreme to tell the stories he would never have a chance to do and people accept it, but in comes Moore claiming that his version is a homage and people just eat it up!
It's hilarious how popularity manipulates peoples minds.
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That's why Moore altered it you doofus. They weren't the same.
You'd know that if you had actually read the fucking book.
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That's why Moore altered it you doofus. They weren't the same.
You'd know that if you had actually read the fucking book.
Moore's Supreme is more like Superman than Liefeld's ever was.
Making a rip off more like what you're ripping off doesn't turn it into a homage, it turns it into an imitation, a better rip off.
If I were to do a story set on a space ship filled with people that looked exactly like the crew of the original Enterprise it wouldn't be a homage, it be an imitation, a rip off.
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Let me put it in the simpliest of terms:
You saw my comic book web site, right?
Well, I sure hope I never catch you or anyone else paying homage to my work :)
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By your definition of ripoff almost every character is a ripoff. There are about 3 or 4 archetype characters...Superman, batman, sandman, hourman, zatara and robin and maybe plastic man... All other characters are derivations and semi copies of the same archetype. Arguements could be made that even those characters borrowed ideas and visuals from movies, newspaper strips and pulps that came before them... Many of hollywoods movies and serials certainly inspired those earlier mentioned characters... Batman's origins were definitely inspired by 30s horror an dcrime movies, davinci and pulps as many of those elements were stolen and ripped off by your definition..
And supreme was just as inspired by captain marvel as by superman because many of the elements used are more attributable to CM than to superman..of course captain more is surely a mere ripoff of superman... because he's..superstrong...
If you research the pulps sci-fi mags and nespapers a line of inspiration can be found for all those early characters...
Actually Captain America, Human Torch and sub mariner might be archetype charcters too...
There are no more original ideas..just original ways of telling the same or similar story...
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Just fucking give it up already. Nobody cares what you think. Think whatever you want. If you'd take the time to read an actual novel (except maybe novels based on comic books, assuming you can get past the big words) and learn about writing, you'd under stand literary devices such as parody, satire, and homage. But you clearly don't. This makes you useless to talk to, since you are a complete fucking moron. Why don't you let it go?
You know what? I now WANT that to happen to Superman. I want the Supermonkey and the Superlesbian and the Superamoeba. Just to spite you. And I want all the Silver age stuff back. 100 kinds of kryptonite, Superman knowing everything about his homeplanet to the point of Lois knowing Kryptonian martial arts and delicious Kryptonian cooking secrets. And I want him to be able to throw the universe to kill that damn roach in Superbaby's bedroom while he rocks Superbaby's crib to get him to sleep. All for you, you walking shit for brains retard.
And I'm going to BUY the fucking Supreme TPB and read it and enjoy the hell out of it. Just to spite you.
How do you like them apples, you silly little fool?
::loudly applauds::
See, THIS is my problem with the Byrne/Jurgens sycophants. It's not that they like the Byrne/Jurgens version of Superman, it's that they won't accept ANYTHING other than the Byrne/Jurgens version and make phony and stereotyped generalizations about anything and everything pre-1986. Not only that, but they flame and bash anybody who says anything even slightly critical of the Byrne/Jurgens version and/or voices appreciation for the pre-1986 material.
Like I said in my initial review, The Story Of The Year--not Man Of Steel--should have been the Superman revamp of 1986. Byrne's story as is empty and drained of awe/wonder and mythic power as Moore's Superman homage is dripping with it. It's a pity that the Superman books don't--and most likely never will--at least try to reach for this level of quality and fun.
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I am a silver age superman nut..I have so many supes realted books it's pathetic..Jimmy, lois, supergirl, superboy, an dall the other whacky goofiness...
At the same time I liked Byrne's superman..he was told to do a job ..he did it, and I liked it.
BUT, I prefer the GA/SA superman....
My problems with MOTA's arguements are that they seem one sided and limited in their scope.
If you don't like something...fine..tell us why and get on, but to dislike SA superman, miracleman, supreme and probably the entire ABC line based on varying reasons and beliefs..seems a little like hating for hates sake. If that's the case then fine too.
As an example of this myself I OK with that. Just admit it. My disdain for modern marvel comics is a bit one sided, but atleast i admit my unwillingness to waiver in my beliefs and don't go on forever about it...
MOTA seems to be flaming rather than giving constructive arguements...and mincing words as well..
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Isn't a homage just a rip off with a positive spin, and a rip off just a homage with a negative spin?
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I haven't read a Super-story as good as Supreme since Jack Kirby did Jimmy Olsen. Does anyone know whether Moore has planned to write more Tales Supreme beyond #6 ? I read somewhere he'll quit writing comics alltogether in 2-3 years ![[sad]](images/icons/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by Dave:
Something tells me you hate the Green Lantern Corps, then.
If the Green Lantern Corps were made up of alternates of Hal from all over the multiverse I would, but since it's a team of alien cops, each of them individuals with nothing in commun other than their uniform and their oath to keep galactic peace I see no reason to compare the GLC with... this.
The Green Lantern Corps has nothing that can be compared to the Supremacy, while the Supremacy is just a rip off of one of Moore's old ideas, the Captain Britain Corps.
Something just occurred to me about this. Hal Jordan is a rip-off of Alan Scott, isn't he? And the othe members of the GLC are rip offs of Hal Jordan?
Personally, the idea of creating the Supremacy takes the concept far and away beyond being a mere copy of Superman.
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But I opened this topic to show Supreme's fans that, apparently, Platinum Studios and Awesome are getting together to market the character, most probably as a movie or something.
I'm just adding my comments on how Supreme went from being a cool character to just a rip off of Superman and Captain Britain, which is hilarious.
Do clarify one thing for me since I'm very curious.
What's the difference between Suprema and Lady Supreme?
Are they opposites like Supergirl and Power Girl or two different women from the same reality?
And is Kid Supreme Supreme when he was a boy or more like Kon-El?
Don't know the answers to this, sorry.
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Originally posted by therealdeadshot:
I haven't read a Super-story as good as Supreme since Jack Kirby did Jimmy Olsen.
Does anyone know whether Moore has planned to write more Tales Supreme beyond #6 ?
Rumor has it that he's got 20 Supreme scripts still filed away. If they ever do become public, my guess is that they'll be in TPB form.
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I read somewhere he'll quit writing comics alltogether in 2-3 years
Yeah, he told Wizard he's going into a semi-retirement of sorts.
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What's the difference between Suprema and Lady Supreme?
Are they opposites like Supergirl and Power Girl or two different women from the same reality?
Opposites who don't even exist in the same reality. Lady Supreme is part of the Supremacy. Suprema is Supreme's kid sister.
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And is Kid Supreme Supreme when he was a boy or more like Kon-El?
Kid Supreme is Ethan Crane as a kid, you dope.
Why the hell are you even asking this? You've already bleated about how bad you hate the Silver Age and how you won't read Supreme because it acknowledges the Silver Age. You're just determined to flame this story even more, aren't you?
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I'm just adding my comments on how Supreme went from being a cool character to just a rip off of Superman and Captain Britain, which is hilarious.
And in the process, all you're doing is showing what a blitheringly stupid and ignorant egomaniac you are who doesn't know so much as the first syllable he's talking about, which is even more hilarious. Supreme under Alan Moore is everything Superman should be and hasn't been since 1986 (Stern and Ordway's exemplary work notwithstanding). That you can't or won't accept that people like these stories and seek to discredit them AND the story (which you've bleated and pandered that you'll never read) at every turn only shows what an ass you are.
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So basically you all think that Supreme is not ripping off Superman, just a homage.
Then explain how Marvel was able to sue Liefeld for doing Fighting American, which is just a homagE of Captain America.
Or the Russian writer who got sued for paying homage to Harry Potter.
Exactly what, for you, makes Fighting American and the Russian female Harry Potter different from Supreme?
All three of them use someone elses plots and the only difference is that they changed how the characters look and what their names are, yet only two people got sued over their homages.
Can you explain it?
It's not a homage when all you do is rewrite what someone else came up with, that's called stealing.
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The actual proof in the pudding of the complete IDIOCY of the MOTA: quote:
From George Santayana (1863 - 1952), The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience.
This is the PERFECT quotation/description for the current Man of Steel AND more importantly, it is the definition of the idiot/asshole that is known as "ManofTheAtom...
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Are your lips surgicaly attached to Moore's ass or glued?
How can you be this stupid, really? You see that the writer is stealing someone elses idea and can't bring yourself to accept it, so you make excuses for it.
You should have been Liefeld's lawyer, as well as that Russian writer's, they could have used your fanboyish definition of stealing.
'But your honor, they are homages, not rip offs. They tell the same story but the characters look different and have different names, that makes all the difference.'
Pathetic, blind devotion.
Moore STOLE old SILVER AGE plots for his Superman rip off, but you're too fucking stupid to see it.
Changing how a character looks and what his name is but using the SAME concepts and the SAME plots is EXACTLY what a rip off is.
Calling it a HOMAGE is EXACTLY what people that STEAL someone elses ideas USE to protect themselves.
And you're too blinded to see the truth because you LIKE what you're reading, so accepting that it's STOLEN is not in your best interest.
YOU are a slave to the credit box and don't have enough of a brain to come up with an original opinion.
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Moore STOLE old SILVER AGE plots for his Superman rip off, but you're too fucking stupid to see it.
Changing how a character looks and what his name is but using the SAME concepts and the SAME plots is EXACTLY what a rip off is.
No, he didn't. But since you HAVEN'T READ THE FUCKING BOOK, I can understand how you would think that. And you have no room to be calling anyone an idiot.
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Originally posted by Grimm:
No, he didn't. But since you HAVEN'T READ THE FUCKING BOOK, I can understand how you would think that. And you have no room to be calling anyone an idiot.
Having Supreme have cousins JUST like Superman's, having him be raised by farmers JUST like Superman, having him have a red headed girlfriend JUST like Superman's, a bald bad guy JUST like Superman's, having a super... I mean, SUPREME dog JUST like Superman's, having been a Supreme Kid JUST like Superman is stealing.
Supreme is a carbon copy of Superman with small alterations like his name and his apperance but he's still Superman.
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If I wanted to read about the SA Superman I'd buy an archive so I could see the real deal, not a rip off.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
So basically you all think that Supreme is not ripping off Superman, just a homage.
Then explain how Marvel was able to sue Liefeld for doing Fighting American, which is just a homagE of Captain America.
Because Liefeld significantly redesigned the Joe Simon/Jack Kirby character to more closely resemble Captain America and reused much of his Captain America material from "Heroes Reborn"--material he created during his stay at Marvel. Even the initial "Agent: America" designs Liefeld was developing prior to buying the Fighting American rights were a clear-cut visual copy of Captain America.
Supreme, by contrast, has no visual similarity to Superman. You stand them side by side, and you can tell them apart easily. Not so with Captain America and Liefeld's Fighting American, hence the lawsuit.
God only knows why I'm wasting my breath on you. You're just going to try and spin this into another fact-free, substance-devoid anti-Silver Age rant anyway.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
How can you be this stupid, really? You see that the writer is stealing someone elses idea and can't bring yourself to accept it, so you make excuses for it.
Isn’t this exactly what every writer of Superman has done since Siegel quit writing the books?
Isn't this what Byrne did? Isn't that what Jugens does? Aren’t they just stealing someone elses idea? They didn't invent the character.
They have been paying homage to the Superman of the past. You're just too fucking stupid to look at the big picture.
If you had actually read The Story of the Year I would give you at least some credit, but you haven't and won't which is fine.
I have yet to meet ANYONE who levels anything even remotely resembling the criticism that you level at the book OR the reasoning that you bring to your "argument".
And now you actually resort to arguing semantics and dictionary definitions... ![[eh?]](images/icons/confused.gif)
At least the people who didn't care for the book had one valid reason you don’t...
Namely, they FUCKING READ IT... but you haven't and won't which is fine.
Which begs 2 questions;
Can ANYONE really be as fucking thick and ignorant as it seems you are from your mindless ranting AND;
Why are you here?
You haven't read the fucking book and you can't make any logical arguments about it. Everything you seemingly argue about or hate is based on a few pictures that actually don’t play into the book but in a very minor way or not at all.
The parts you think you know and dislike are contained in 8 or 9 pages of a book that has hundreds of pages. They don't re-appear in regular recurring roles like Bibbo, or Scorn. They aren't really so much a part of this Supremes past but a part of the COLLECTIVE pasts of the character.
Something obviously much too complicated for you.
The story is the story of a MODERN Super-hero, NOT a Silver-Age Superhero.
Except UNLIKE virtually all the heroes in the current DCU Supreme can actually use his past experiences and experiences of his predecessors to help him with current problems.
Unlike the current version of Stupidman.
Say what you want now. I will waste no more of my day speaking with a complete and unremorseful idiot.
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Are your lips surgicaly attached to Moore's ass or glued?
I think we could ask a similar question of you: Is your mouth surgically attached to John Byrne and Dan Jurgens' asses or stapled?
Hello, pot. This is kettle. You're black.
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How can you be this stupid, really?
Gee, we were just wondering the exact same thing about you.
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And you're too blinded to see the truth because you LIKE what you're reading, so accepting that it's STOLEN is not in your best interest.
And you're too blinded by your own egomania, stupidity, and selfishness to see the truth that the Silver Age is NOT the den of idiocy you purport it to be, and you're also too blinded by your smarmy "only 1986-1999 is valid" elitism to accept any opinions that might be favorable to an earlier age.
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YOU are a slave to the credit box and don't have enough of a brain to come up with an original opinion.
And YOU are an obnoxious little worm who doesn't have enough brains to read the damned books to know what he's talking about, and has too much ego to realize that he's out of line.
Ass.
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Except UNLIKE virtually all the heroes in the current DCU Supreme can actually use his past experiences and experiences of his predecessors to help him with current problems.
Unlike the current version of Stupidman.
Hey, there's an idea! DC can reboot Superman and make him the character he ought to be, while the current guy can still stick around and call himself Stupidman! This way the Byrne/Jurgens sycophants get what they want, and the rest of us get what we want!
You're a genius, Kilgore! ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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Dude, this guy's wrong about 95% of everything he posts. You'd lose your mind trying to counter every stupid claim he makes.
Hell, reading just ONE of his posts is enough to leave my head spinning. Logic and knowledge are not this guy's strong suits.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
Are your lips surgicaly attached to Moore's ass or glued?
How can you be this stupid, really? You see that the writer is stealing someone elses idea and can't bring yourself to accept it, so you make excuses for it.
You should have been Liefeld's lawyer, as well as that Russian writer's, they could have used your fanboyish definition of stealing.
'But your honor, they are homages, not rip offs. They tell the same story but the characters look different and have different names, that makes all the difference.'
Pathetic, blind devotion.
Moore STOLE old SILVER AGE plots for his Superman rip off, but you're too fucking stupid to see it.
Changing how a character looks and what his name is but using the SAME concepts and the SAME plots is EXACTLY what a rip off is.
Calling it a HOMAGE is EXACTLY what people that STEAL someone elses ideas USE to protect themselves.
And you're too blinded to see the truth because you LIKE what you're reading, so accepting that it's STOLEN is not in your best interest.
YOU are a slave to the credit box and don't have enough of a brain to come up with an original opinion.
The judges in the Fighting American case and others take the view that if the essence of a character has been copied, then it is the subject of copyright infringement. Fighting American had a shield, dressed in patriotic colours, and had a similar-ish name to Cap America. The judge told Liefeld to have him stop using the shield, and it would be ok.
No judge is going to give anyone a monopoly over a character who has a cape, flies, and is strong, which is what you are saying has been established by Superman's creation.
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No judge is going to give anyone a monopoly over a character who has a cape, flies, and is strong, which is what you are saying has been established by Superman's creation.
Moore didn't steal the characters look, he stole who the character is and who the people he knows are.
He stole the 'raised by farmers' origin, the stole the 'bald bad guy' character, he stole 'was a hero as a teen' idea, he stole the 'vulnerable to a ___ colored rock' idea, etc.
Moore stole more from Superman than Liefeld did from Captain America.
It's no different from the guy who created the female Harry Potter.
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