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Or that Harry potter wa stolen from the character of Tim Hunter...
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Or that Harry potter wa stolen from the character of Tim Hunter...
The only thing those have in commun are that they wear glasses and use magic.
Hunter didn't got to a school for wizards, he didn't wear a scarf, didn't met old wizards, etc.
Supreme, on the other hand, did EVERYTHING the SA Superman did EXACTLY like he did it and met copies of the same people.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
Or that Harry potter wa stolen from the character of Tim Hunter...
The only thing those have in commun are that they were glasses and use magic.
Hunter didn't got to a school for wizards, he didn't wear a scarf, didn't met old wizards, etc.
Supreme, on the other hand, did EVERYTHING the SA Superman did EXACTLY like he did it and met copies of the same people.
Did he? I thought you hadn't read the book? Certainly I don't recall a Silver age Supes story where he meets a legion of his alternative universe couotnerparts. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
I shouldn't be too cheeky to you though, since I agree with your fundamental premise.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
Or that Harry potter wa stolen from the character of Tim Hunter...
The only thing those have in commun are that they were glasses and use magic.
Hunter didn't got to a school for wizards, he didn't wear a scarf, didn't met old wizards, etc.
Supreme, on the other hand, did EVERYTHING the SA Superman did EXACTLY like he did it and met copies of the same people.
Did he? I thought you hadn't read the book? Certainly I don't recall a Silver age Supes story where he meets a legion of his alternative universe couotnerparts.
Nope, Superman never met any such legion in the pre-1986 stories.
Once again, MOTA is blowing smoke and demonstrating how little he knows what he's talking about.
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The only thing those have in commun are that they were glasses and use magic.
No, that's not the only thing in common. They both had pet owls, they both went to secret schools of magic, they both were the "chosen one", they even look the same.
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Hunter didn't got to a school for wizards, didn't met old wizards, etc.[/QB]
Yes he did, and yes, he did. Have you read Books of Magic or Hunter: The Age of Magic?
Pick those up.
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I believe Gaiman once said he was honored that JK Rowling would homage his character like that..
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That's why Moore altered it you doofus. They weren't the same.
You'd know that if you had actually read the fucking book.
If I were to do a story set on a space ship filled with people that looked exactly like the crew of the original Enterprise it wouldn't be a homage, it be an imitation, a rip off.
Galaxy Quest. Not a rip-off, but a homage. There's a difference. You stupid child.
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I don't recall a Silver age Supes story where he meets a legion of his alternative universe counterparts.
Maybe not a legion of alternates (thankfully there's never been a Super Butterfly and a Super Whale) but he did meet the Earth 2 Superman and Earth Prime Superboy during Crisis.
The argument could be made that meeting Captain Marvel counts as meeting an alternate.
Didn't he also meet... sigh... Super Daffy in Superman/Looney Tunes?
And the animated Superman did met Super Bugs in a Looney Tune.
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Galaxy Quest. Not a rip-off, but a homage. There's a difference. You stupid child.
If the crew of Protector had been a black woman, an alien with pointed ears, a captain with a hairpiece, a Russian chief of security and an Asian pilot then it be a rip off.
Supreme rips of the following:
Farmer parents
Red headed girlfriend
Can be killed by a piece of colored rocks.
Bald bad guy
Was a teen super hero
Has relatives that are just like him.
Has a super dog.
There are more comparisons between Supreme and the SA Superman than between Galaxy Quest and Star Trek.
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The bad guy isn't bald. You would know that.....IF YOU READ THE BOOK.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
Galaxy Quest. Not a rip-off, but a homage. There's a difference. You stupid child.
If the crew of Protector had been a black woman, an alien with pointed ears, a captain with a hairpiece, a Russian chief of security and an Asian pilot then it be a rip off.
Supreme rips of the following:
Farmer parents
Red headed girlfriend
Can be killed by a piece of colored rocks.
Bald bad guy
Was a teen super hero
Has relatives that are just like him.
Has a super dog.
There are more comparisons between Supreme and the SA Superman than between Galaxy Quest and Star Trek.
Ok, so it's not exact. But there's still a Kirk-like Captain, a token woman, a token alien, and so on. And they fly a spaceship. They have lots of nerdy pathetic fans. The actors barely work in the movie and seem to just attend conventions. Sounds a lot like Star Trek to me. But that is because it is a homage.
Same with Supreme. He doesn't have black hair. His costume is red and white-silver. Obviously the numerous Supremes (to the point of Baboon Supreme and Parapelegic Supreme) is an exaggeration.
By redhead, are you referring to Lana Lang? Because Lois is considered the girlfriend, and she switches between brown and black hair.
Spider-Man was a teen hero. So was Wally West Flash. Nightwing. Therefore, they're rip-offs.
You yourself are a rip-off. Because there were stupid people that existed before you were born. Some of them had pipedreams comparable to starting a big comic publishing company from scratch.
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Ok, so it's not exact. But there's still a Kirk-like Captain, a token woman, a token alien, and so on. And they fly a spaceship. They have lots of nerdy pathetic fans. The actors barely work in the movie and seem to just attend conventions. Sounds a lot like Star Trek to me. But that is because it is a homage.
Exactly. GQ is a homage of ST because it's only similar.
Supreme is the same as the SA Superman, that's what makes it a rip off.
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Same with Supreme. He doesn't have black hair. His costume is red and white-silver. Obviously the numerous Supremes (to the point of Baboon Supreme and Parapelegic Supreme) is an exaggeration.
So by changing his apperance but telling the same stories all Moore managed to do was avoid being sued the same way DC sued Fawcett, it's still a rip off.
All DC had to base its lawsuit on was that Captain Marvel looked like Superman, and even though the two characters stories and origins are completely different DC still won based on apperance alone.
Moore retold the same old SA stories, surrounding Supreme with copies of the same characters and elements that Superman met during his existance.
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By redhead, are you referring to Lana Lang? Because Lois is considered the girlfriend, and she switches between brown and black hair.
I'm refering to Lana and that redheaded girl on the cover of that issue of Supreme I showed you.
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Spider-Man was a teen hero. So was Wally West Flash. Nightwing. Therefore, they're rip-offs.
No, they'd be rip offs if they all lived with their sick aunt and they all got their powers from the bite of a spider and fought goblins.
When it comes to characteristics Supreme is a carbon copy of the SA Superman even if they don't look the same.
According to your above screwed up logic (and you were doing so good) there can only be ONE teen super hero, which is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
Supreme having a redheaded teen gf, having been Kid Supreme, being vulnerable to something as stupid as 'Supremimum' is just ripping off Lana, Superboy and Kryptonite.
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But Moore's Supreme is still more than Superman. It's all things silver age and golden age. It's superman, legion, captain Marvel, and other things. It's an homage to an era. It's not a rip on a character, because it is about more than a single family theme of charcters. It's Moore's crazy ass re-imagining of an era, not just a single area of it.
And it's actually more of a criticism on Rob Liefeld and his Image founder types...who are idiots who made idiotic,pathetic, vain comics. If you read it you would understand that the comic Rob pimps actually makes fun of Rob, much like Moore's Youngblood..which I guess you haven't read either.
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Isn't a homage just a rip off with a positive spin, and a rip off just a homage with a negative spin?
I think it sometimes boils down to intent, which is why it can be hard to determine which is which.
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But Moore's Supreme is still more than Superman. It's all things silver age and golden age. It's superman, legion, captain Marvel, and other things. It's an homage to an era. It's not a rip on a character, because it is about more than a single family theme of charcters. It's Moore's crazy ass re-imagining of an era, not just a single area of it.
I can agree to that, it still doesn't mean that my original point doesn't hold, that all Moore did was turn a character that was like Superman into an exact copy of Superman.
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And it's actually more of a criticism on Rob Liefeld and his Image founder types...who are idiots who made idiotic,pathetic, vain comics. If you read it you would understand that the comic Rob pimps actually makes fun of Rob, much like Moore's Youngblood..which I guess you haven't read either.
I read the DeathMate crossover and followed the original issues through Previews (before I started to buy Witchblade I followed the story through Previews and it wasn't till issue 16 that I started to buy the monthly title, which I still get today).
See, I think I get the confusion here.
For some of you the word 'rip off' starts and ends with the 'look', while for me the 'look' is just as important as 'content'.
Moore's Supreme may not 'look' like Superman, but the 'content' of his stories as no different from the content of the SA Superman stories.
So DC sues Fawcett for creating a character that 'looks' like Superman and wins, Marvel sues Liefeld for creating a character that 'looks' like Captain American and wins.
But Moore manages to avoid getting sued by only telling the same stories and calling it a Homage.
Let's see, according to the above Gaimain COULD sue Rowling and win because she's not just telling the same story he did, she has a character that looks the same as Tim Hunter.
If DC won over Fawcett and Marvel won over Liefeld then surely Gaiman can win over Rowling.
So maybe that's your defense and that's where we disagree:
For some of you the content of two stories makes one a homage of the other long as the characters are different, but if the characters look the same and the stories are different it becomes a rip off.
If I created a story called 'Castaways' Island' that's about seven people stranded on an island would it be a homage or a rip off of 'Gilligan's Island'?
I say that it only becomes a rip off if I use the same characters (like Moore did with Supreme), but long as I tell different stories with different characters it's neither.
B5 and DS9, for example, aren't rip offs of each other because they use a space station.
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If I'm not mistaken the only reason Fawcett lost was because they were in financial trouble and couldn't afford the lawyer fees...
And did that case actually make it all the way through trial, I wasn't sure it did. I thought Fawcett just ceased publication...???
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If I'm not mistaken the only reason Fawcett lost was because they were in financial trouble and couldn't afford the lawyer fees...
And did that case actually make it all the way through trial, I wasn't sure it did. I thought Fawcett just ceased publication...???
I think you're right, but my overall point is that DC sued under the simple basis that Captain Marvel's chin looked like Superman's and that both had black hair.
According to the 'Supreme logic', check the following:
If I did 'Castaways' Island' and filled it with a professor, a farm girl, a moron, a fat skipper, a movie star, and two billionaires then those that own Gilligan's Island could sue me and win.
If, however, I did Castaways' Island with new characters BUT recycled plots from Gilligan's Island I would never get sued.
At least according to the 'Supreme logic'.
Be honest, if someone did something called Castaways' Island and it used the same plots from Gilligan's Island what would you call it, a rip off or a homage?
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Disco, stop insulting ManoftheAtom. Its rude. He is not being insulting back to you. quote:
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If I'm not mistaken the only reason Fawcett lost was because they were in financial trouble and couldn't afford the lawyer fees...
And did that case actually make it all the way through trial, I wasn't sure it did. I thought Fawcett just ceased publication...???
I think you're right, but my overall point is that DC sued under the simply basis that Captain Marvel's chin looked like Superman's and that both had black hair.
Actually, DC's case was pretty much without merit - they just wanted to shut down their most successful competitor.
This is my view on it. A parody is a perfectly legitimate form of artistic expression. here is the Wikipedia definition:
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Parody is a form of satire that imitates another work of art in order to ridicule it. Parodies exists in all art media, including literature, music and cinema.
Some genre film theorists see parody as a natural development in the life cycle of any genre, especially in film. Westerns, for example, after the classic stage defined the conventions of the genre, underwent a parody stage, in which those same conventions were lampooned. Because audiences had seen these classic Westerns, they had expectations for any new Westerns, and when these expectations were inverted, the audience laughed.
Sometimes the reputation of a parody outlasts the reputation of what is being parodied. A notable case is the novel Joseph Andrews by Henry Fielding (1742), which was a parody of the gloomy epistolary novel Pamela, or Virtue Rewarded (1740) by Samuel Richardson. Many of Lewis Carroll's parodies, such as "You Are Old, Father William", are much better known than the originals.
Although a parody can be considered a derivative work under United States Copyright Law it is has been protected under the fair use of 17 USC § 107. In 2001, the federal Court of Appeals, 11th District in Suntrust v. Houghton Mifflin upheld the right of Alice Randall to publish a parody of Gone With the Wind called The Wind Done Gone, which told the same story from the point of view of Scarlett O'Hara's slaves, who were glad to be rid of her. See also the Supreme Court of the United States case Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music regarding the song Pretty Woman.
See literary technique.
Examples
MAD Magazine - parody of all things in American popular culture
The Rutles - parody of The Beatles
The Onion - parody of newspaper and magazine journalism
Chris Morris's The Day Today and Brass Eye - parodies of TV news programmes
Mozart's Musical Joke K.522 (1787) - parody of Joseph Haydn
Blazing Saddles movie by Mel Brooks - parody of American westerns
The Three Amigos movie with Steve Martin - another parody of American westerns
Bored of the Rings a parody of Lord of the Rings
Weird Al Yankovic innumerable song parodies
Parodies of several major hit films in the French & Saunders comedy series (including Titanic, Misery, Braveheart, Thelma and Louise, Lord of the Rings)
It sounds to me as if Supreme has a certain element of parody. The Blaxploitation Supreme, the Kong Kong Supreme, Transformer Surpreme, and the others suggest that Moore is having a little fun at the idea of parallel universes. moore is also specifically having a parodic shot at comics in the 90s when he has a Supreme say (paraphrased), "Oh you 90s heroes are so angst-ridden."
Having Supreme affected by something so silly as "Supremium" is also a parody.
Having said that, parody by its nature is not particulary original, except to the extent that it does lampoon.
I empathise with ManoftheAtom's complaint to a degree: comic books generally are sadly lacking in originality. They dance around the edges of copyright infringement (Liefeld barely - just barely, in my opinion, gets away with it in creating Supreme). The Silver Age re-hashing of Green Lantern, the Flash, the Atom, Hawkman etc. might have been novel for its day, perhaps, but it was not terribly original.
Worst of all, in my opinion, is Astro City. This is totally lacking in originality. Its a vehicle for Busiek to tell the sotries he wants without editorial restraint. The characters are almost devoid of originality. Calling the imprint "Homage Comics" is almost a white flag to criticism.
I can't help but think a lot of the problem is that traditonal superheroics are in a rut. This is one of the reason why the Authority (itself having a fantastic parody of the World's finest couple) had such an impact. But there are only so many permutations of a guy in tights with a cape and superpowers you can come up with.
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Actually, DC's case was pretty much without merit - they just wanted to shut down their most successful competitor.
Good point. But legally they used the 'black hair' and the 'chin' as an excuse.
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This is my view on it.
That is very interesting.
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It sounds to me as if Supreme has a certain element of parody. The Blaxploitation Supreme, the Kong Kong Supreme, Transformer Surpreme, and the others suggest that Moore is having a little fun at the idea of parallel universes. moore is also specifically having a parodic shot at comics in the 90s when he has a Supreme say (paraphrased), "Oh you 90s heroes are so angst-ridden."
You make a great point.
I can agree that there's a difference between parody and rip off just like there's a difference between rip off and homage and homage and parody.
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Having Supreme affected by something so silly as "Supremium" is also a parody.
The ridicolous name says it all, lol.
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Having said that, parody by its nature is not particulary original, except to the extent that it does lampoon.
Agreed.
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I empathise with ManoftheAtom's complaint to a degree: comic books generally are sadly lacking in originality. They dance around the edges of copyright infringement (Liefeld barely - just barely, in my opinion, gets away with it in creating Supreme). The Silver Age re-hashing of Green Lantern, the Flash, the Atom, Hawkman etc. might have been novel for its day, perhaps, but it was not terribly original.
Yeah, that's a problem with super hero comic books (well, technically it's a problem shared by all genre stories. I mean, just how many variations of 'cop who plays by his own rules', 'lawyer that plays by his own rules', etc can you have when doing a cop and/or lawyer story, right? Same with super heroes. How many variations can you have?
The problem is when the imitations go beyond the look and start using the same plots. That's just wrong).
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Worst of all, in my opinion, is Astro City. This is totally lacking in originality. Its a vehicle for Busiek to tell the stories he wants without editorial restraint. The characters are almost devoid of originality. Calling the imprint "Homage Comics" is almost a white flag to criticism.
I just had a discussion with a friend about how Samaritan, Supreme and Superman are similar but not exactly the same.
While Supreme and Superman share certain characteristics like both having been teen heroes, both having super dogs and both being vulnerable to green colored rocks, Samaritan has neither of those characteristics... yet all three work at a newspaper, wear a cape and fly.
By far Samaritan is the most original of the Superman clones I've ever seen, but that's just my opinion.
(Specially after what Jurgens did to Gladiator!)
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I can't help but think a lot of the problem is that traditonal superheroics are in a rut. This is one of the reason why the Authority (itself having a fantastic parody of the World's finest couple) had such an impact. But there are only so many permutations of a guy in tights with a cape and superpowers you can come up with.
Agreed.
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Moore's Supreme may not 'look' like Superman, but the 'content' of his stories as no different from the content of the SA Superman stories.
Yes, it IS different. The SA homages/parodies are only a SMALL element of the overall story of the book. If you would READ the book, or that matter, any of our posts here, you would know that.
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If I'm not mistaken the only reason Fawcett lost was because they were in financial trouble and couldn't afford the lawyer fees...
And did that case actually make it all the way through trial, I wasn't sure it did. I thought Fawcett just ceased publication...???
Well, iirc, it actually went to court many times with Fawcett winning. DC just kept appealing the case until Fawcett couldn't deal with it anymore.
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Originally posted by Dave: It sounds to me as if Supreme has a certain element of parody. The Blaxploitation Supreme, the Kong Kong Supreme, Transformer Surpreme, and the others suggest that Moore is having a little fun at the idea of parallel universes. moore is also specifically having a parodic shot at comics in the 90s when he has a Supreme say (paraphrased), "Oh you 90s heroes are so angst-ridden."
Having Supreme affected by something so silly as "Supremium" is also a parody.
There is a large amount of parody in parts of the book. There are also elements of commentary on the comics of the times and the events around them. Such as the Kurtzman style Mad era homages/parodies I mentioned before. Moore being that "clever bastard" again.
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Butterfly Supreme
Big Boy Supreme
Dolphin Supreme
Fish Supreme (that sounds like something you order at Sizzler)
Gorilla Supreme
Elephant Supreme
Mecha Supreme
Whale Supreme
And you guys want the same to happen to Superman!!
Argh!!!
You're funny. I thought you were gonna comment on the good review the comic got or something, but then you go and repeat yourself.
It's like you reached a moment in your life in which you decided to freeze your mind and not let anything else get in. No matter how many arguments they throw at you, you won't listen to them. You'll just go back to square one and complain about the dog with a cape.
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You want comics with simplistic elements like Supermonkeys and accuse me of having problems with big words?
OOOOK.
Simplistic. That's the keyword. Your mind is simplistic, not the ideas.
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And Supreme is not a homage
hom·age
n.
Special honor or respect shown or expressed publicly.
Wrong again.
Using variations of old ideas and alterations of characters is not a homage, it's a rip off.
According to your logic anyone can do the same story from Star Wars long as they change the characters names and how they're dressed.
Wait, you know what the plot of the comic is? You read it? Oh... in that case I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were an expert on the matter.
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This is hilarious.
Liefeld admits in Previews that he ripped off Superman to create Supreme to tell the stories he would never have a chance to do and people accept it, but in comes Moore claiming that his version is a homage and people just eat it up!
It's hilarious how popularity manipulates peoples minds.
I think Lefield was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more popular than Moore at the time. Sure, you can say that Moore wrote stuff like Watchmen and V for Vendetta and that he's obviously a very talented writer... but you've proven that there's people out there that just don't care about good writting, and that, unfortunately, they have lots of money to spend on bullshit.
Lefield admitted he ripped Superman off? But, didn't you say that Lefield did an homage and Moore did a rip off? I remember clearly that you said that Lefield did not rip Superman off.
Lefield must be wrong, then. ManoftheAtom knows about books without even reading them, he must know what Lefield really did.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
So basically you all think that Supreme is not ripping off Superman, just a homage.
Then explain how Marvel was able to sue Liefeld for doing Fighting American, which is just a homagE of Captain America.
Or the Russian writer who got sued for paying homage to Harry Potter.
Exactly what, for you, makes Fighting American and the Russian female Harry Potter different from Supreme?
All three of them use someone elses plots and the only difference is that they changed how the characters look and what their names are, yet only two people got sued over their homages.
Can you explain it?
It's not a homage when all you do is rewrite what someone else came up with, that's called stealing.
IT'S NOT THE SAME STORIES! THEY AREN'T SILVER AGE COMICS WITH THE COSTUMES CHANGED! They are MODERN AGE COMICS that MAKE REFERENCE to SILVER AGE CONCEPTS. They are sel-aware comics, they are completely councious of what they are and because of that have the possibility to explore and develope the characters your dear Manboob Lefield couldn't even dream of. I know that without reading the book, you should too!
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
You should have been Liefeld's lawyer, as well as that Russian writer's, they could have used your fanboyish definition of stealing.
'But your honor, they are homages, not rip offs. They tell the same story but the characters look different and have different names, that makes all the difference.'
Lefield asked Moore to come aboard, I think.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
YOU are a slave to the credit box and don't have enough of a brain to come up with an original opinion.
...this from a guy that buys three monthly comics he doesn't like.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
If I wanted to read about the SA Superman I'd buy an archive so I could see the real deal, not a rip off.
Then shut the fuck up about the book.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
Or that Harry potter wa stolen from the character of Tim Hunter...
The only thing those have in commun are that they wear glasses and use magic.
Hunter didn't got to a school for wizards, he didn't wear a scarf, didn't met old wizards, etc.
You're right, Harry Potter isn't a Tim Hunter rip off... it's a combination of Tim Hunter and another character from a book published somewhere in Europe. The other character is called Larry Botter, or something... I read an article about it recently, I'll look it up if you want.
By the way, have you read the Books of Magic?
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I must clarify something... I don't mean read as in looked at the cover, saw some panels and instanlty became an expert on the book, I mean it as in actually reading the book.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
According to your above screwed up logic (and you were doing so good) there can only be ONE teen super hero, which is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
I completely agree with that. I also know for sure that you won't understand this and think I'm not insulting you. But I am. You'd have to think to understand exactly how.
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Mxy, you fight like a cow!
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He does wear lederhosen...
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
I must clarify something... I don't mean read as in looked at the cover, saw some panels and instanlty became an expert on the book, I mean it as in actually reading the book.
Good luck getting THAT thru his thick skull. ![[yuh huh]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
Galaxy Quest. Not a rip-off, but a homage. There's a difference. You stupid child.
If the crew of Protector had been a black woman, an alien with pointed ears, a captain with a hairpiece, a Russian chief of security and an Asian pilot then it be a rip off.
Galaxy Quest had the overzealous captain who took risks and always won out in the end (a la James Kirk), the calm alien counterpart whose main characteristic was his alien culture (a la Mr. Spock), the engineer who accomplished impossible tasks (a la Scotty), and the pilot who was young and inexperienced (a la Chekov). But the movie didn't concentrate on these points. No. Instead, it used these premade character concepts and concentrated on different areas. It used all of the recognizable aspects of Star Trek and other sci-fi to create a different story. This is what Moore did. He used the same ingredients to create a different book. Only on the surface do they look the same.
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Originally posted by Dave:
Mxy, you fight like a cow!
How appropiate, you fight like a dairy farmer.
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And Rob smells like a Dairy Farm...
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And MOTA's arguments smell like manure....
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Galaxy Quest was a blatant parody. quote:
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
I must clarify something... I don't mean read as in looked at the cover, saw some panels and instanlty became an expert on the book, I mean it as in actually reading the book.
Good luck getting THAT thru his thick skull.
Yes, well, that is where MOTA is getting in wrong. He can't make an infomred opinion on its quality without reading it.
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