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Matter-eater Man said:
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Dave the Wonder Boy said:

As Vietnam taught us, and every decade going forward, liberals tend to be draft evaders and supporters of the enemy, with a barely restrained contempt for our military. Eager to believe anyone other than their own government.




I don't buy that one party is more patriotic than the other, so this following link & article is just to illustrate who your attacking with your generalizations.

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/040402/let_letter3.shtml
I normally try to ignore Budge Williams' less than enlightening commentaries, but his recent (March 30) jab at Clinton for being a draft-dodger calls for a rebuttal.
What Mr. Williams failed to highlight is our current slate of Republican leaders who dodged Vietnam for the very worst reasons. Some of them include: President George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Dennis Hastert, George Will, Bill Bennett, Trent Lott, Kenneth Starr, Newt Gingrich, John Ashcroft, Dick Armey, Phil Gramm, Dan Quayle and, the biggest coward of them all, Tom DeLay. The difference between Clinton and these spineless chickenhawks is that Clinton, rightly so, was opposed to the war, whereas these cowards merely sought deferment, without speaking out against a terrible war that even the architects of the war now say was a pointless one.
Currently, many of these chickenhawks are in positions of power to send our troops into harm's way even though they avoided dangerous duty themselves. Why is it conservatives ignore their own cowardly draft-dodgers, but are all too ready to attack Democrats? The last time I checked, Democratic leaders Tom Daschle, Daniel Inouye (Congressional Medal of Honor winner), Ted Kennedy (yes, Ted Kennedy), Dick Gephardt, Al Gore, Bob Kerrey (another Congressional Medal of Honor winner) and John Kerry, a highly decorated Vietnam War hero, all served in the military, while the GOP leaders listed above skipped out.
As the GOP list of draft-dodgers points out, Mr. Williams' jibe at Clinton is hypocritical nonsense. And if you must continue calling Clinton a draft-dodger, please don't forget to include some of the names listed above in your conversation.






Your liberal argument is, as usual, infuriatingly deceitful.

Kerry, while having served in Vietnam in Special Forces, was grilled about two years ago in a CBS special. While serving, he has admitted publicly that he slaughtered Vietnamese civilians. Slaughtered women and children, say other special forces soldiers who served with Kerry.

There is question of whether Kerry even deserves the medals he received, and a call by some who served with him for that medals to be revoked (as detailed in Dan Rather's televised special report on Kerry).
Kerry recieved one Bronze Star for stabbing a retreating wounded enemy soldier in the back, and three Purple Heart medals for injuries of which none required hospitalization, but for which he pressed his superior officers to award him.

And needless to say, Kerry became a "useful idiot" condemning and undermining the war in Vietnam after he returned from Vietnam.


Clinton evaded service altogether. He lied to his recruitment officer to completely evade service.

Bush Sr., Bob Dole, and John McCain, to name a few Republicans, served honorably and courageously.
McCain was tortured by the North Vietnamese as a P.O.W.
Bush Sr. was shot down as a pilot.
Bob Dole lost partial use of one of his arms in a permanent war injury.

You label service in the National Guard (as Dan Quayle and George Bush both served) as "draft dodging".
I hope you fucking say that sometime to a National Guardsman, and he smashes your face into crimson jelly.

The National Guard is military service. Many dying in Iraq were National Guardsmen, who were called into active duty in Iraq.



And your calling them "draft dodgers" is distortion of the highest order, and deeply insulting.
And deeply unpatriotic.
And deeply unappreciative of the sacrifice these men and women have made, under Clinton and Bush, serving for long periods away from their careers and their families, to say nothing of risking their lives.

How you can equate service in the National Guard with "draft dodging", or with running off to Canada, or with lying to the military draft recruitment officials as Clinton did, is more than deceptive. It's beyond the pale.

I can't say that strongly enough.
Fuck you, you miserable piece of shit ! How dare you label their sacrifice for their country as "draft dodging", and try to label it as "no worse" than the true draft evasion of Bill Clinton and others. "No worse" than the leftist allegience and solidarity Kerry and others demonstrated with the enemies of the United States after his return from Vietnam. Please.

It's clearly a waste of my time to try and reason with a person who can think like that.

By your maliciously flawed reasoning, I guess Coast Guard, Border Patrol, FBI, CIA, and Military Police are "draft evaders" too.