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Feel your pain. The Right shall be rid of when Dean takes office and the healing will truly begin among the races. Yes.
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quote: Originally posted by Grand Pooh-Bah: Feel your pain. The Right shall be rid of when Dean takes office and the healing will truly begin among the races. Yes.
Well, he did make me chuckle with all of his Questions for Bush, particularly these:
quote: 15. Mr. President, we need to know what you were referring to in Poland on May 30, 2003, when you said, "For those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them." (The Washington Post, Mike Allen, 5/31/2003)
16. Mr. President, we need to know why you incorrectly claimed this very week that the war began because Iraq would not admit UN inspectors, when in fact Iraq had admitted the inspectors and you opposed extending their work. (The Washington Post, Priest, Dana and Dana Milbank, 7/15/2003)
http://www.iraqometer.com/
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I find it funny that: 1. The very first part of the ground war in Iraq involved sening Paratroopers to the oil fields to help liberate the Iraqi's from their oil.
2. Even before the end of "major hostilities" Haliburton had teams working 24 hours a day to build a pipeline from Iraq into Kuwait.
Isn't it Ironic that at the same time we were declaring the war wasn't about oil and that the "Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqi people"
The Iraqi people haven't seen dime one of oil money while haliburton stock has more than doubled. Thus Dick Cheny's net worth has doubled as well.
Please say to my face that this war was not about oil
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quote: Originally posted by whomod: quote: Originally posted by Captain Sammitch: Nobody has anything to be afraid of - except known antagonists. People liken the US to the world's police force sometimes. Well, you've got nothing to fear from the police as long as you're being a decent, law-abiding citizen.
Sometimes I sit here and actually envy you guys. Belive it or not, i used to be a conservative Reagan Republican. And then I turned 18 and had to face the REAL world all by myself. Such self-righteous, trusting authoritarian worldviews make me nostalgic for my childhood where mommy and daddys house and comfort shielded me from reality.
I think a lot of blacks and latinos may beg to differ with your cheery trusting opinions of law enforcment. I myself can clearly remeber being made to come out of a car with my hands up and made to lie on the sidewalk as so the officer can tell me I was exceeding the speed limit by 3 mph. I'm sure you can relate.
You're accusing me of being out of touch with reality? I'm not the one spouting Democrap (tm) propaganda in every thread on this board! And I'm well aware of the difficulties facing blacks and Latinos. I have many in my own family. (Who's making the hasty judgments now? ) I'm not trying to dismiss police brutality in those instances. I'm just saying that when it comes to the actual issue at hand (Yes, my friends, there's an actual ISSUE here!), that's a total non sequitur. And since you went OT first, I figure it's a good time to say I'd be a lot more willing to trust an administration with a 'police' mentality than one on the leash of every liberal political-action group with an axe to grind and an agenda to push through.
You're a good guy, whomod, it's just hard to make sense of you sometimes.
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I love how everyone who doesn't agree with the war is a democrat supporting liberal spewing mindless propaganda. Heh.
I don't know why peope can't bring themselves to even question the government if it's their side of the political spectrum in power. It's what ultimately discredits their arguments for me since they don't seem to be considering the other side, just following blindly.
In the UK Tony is in a world of shit as more stuff comes out. He was told by the intelligence services taht Iraq wasn't much of a threat (they have been continuously bombed for the last decade remember) and that there were more dangerous countries. He chose to ignore that and follow dubya. In the process he lied and exagerrated. I don't know what arguments were used in the US but the big one here was WMD. We were told there was proof. There is none. Whether WMD's are found or not it is becoming clear that here never was any great evidence to prove their existence and that Tony lied.
Iraq may end off better off without Saddam (after the Afganistan mess I'm not going to assume anything, boy did we fuck them good. killed more innocent civilians than died on 911) but the people are losing faith fast in lying politicians (not known as a particularly noble breed before this).
I was once pro war on Iraq. I didn't really believe everything Tony said (never have trusted the Smiler) but the more it emerged we had been lied to , the more I realised this war was bullshit.
also, going back a bit, the UK does not use the Euro (I don't think it would be a good idea anyway, but the main reason we aren't in is British bigotry towards Europe. For the best explanation of this watch the 80's sitcom "Yes Minister"), so it is not doing anything to damage it's own economy. Spain is in, not sure about Italy.
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A few of the mainstream news media are starting to ask questions that Bush & Company don't want to hear, but why aren't more news people asking MORE questions?
CONSERVATIVE TEXAS CONGRESSMAN Ron Paul listed over 30 of the right questions to ask on the House floor on 9/10/2002, but he was ignored by the media.
Just a few of those questions were:
IS IT NOT TRUE:
...that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency was able to complete its yearly verification mission to Iraq just this year with Iraqi cooperation?
...that former President Bush cited the UN Resolution of 1990 as the reason he could NOT march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new attack assert that it is the very reason we CAN march into Baghdad?
...that the intelligence community has been unable to develop a case tying Iraq to global terrorism at all, much less the attacks on the United States last year? Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and that none came from Iraq?
...that we would be taking precious military and intelligence resources away from tracking down those who did attack the United States – and who may again attack the United States – and using them to invade countries that have NOT attacked the United States?
... that an attack on Iraq would just confirm the Arab world's worst suspicions about the US – and isn't this what bin Laden wanted?
...that former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro might not have been wrong when he recently said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraq’s links to terrorism?
...that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi intelligence took place?
...that northern Iraq, where the administration claimed al-Qaeda were hiding out, is in the control of our "allies," the Kurds?
...that the vast majority of al-Qaeda leaders who escaped appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan, another of our so-called allies and NOT IRAQ?
Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively that of the Congress? Should presidents, contrary to the Constitution, allow Congress to concur only when pressured by public opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for permission to go to war?
Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying charges that thousands of Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis, which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied the very city involved, and that evidence indicated the type of gas used was more likely controlled by Iran not Iraq?
Is it not true that anywhere between 100,000 and 300,000 US soldiers have suffered from Persian Gulf War syndrome from the first Gulf War, and that thousands may have died?
Are we prepared for American casualties in a war against a country that does not have the capacity to attack the United States?
Are we willing to bear the economic burden of a $100 billion war against Iraq, with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an already shaky American economy? How about an estimated 30 years occupation of Iraq that some have deemed necessary to "build democracy" there?
But, yeah, it's all about the liberals trying to "get" President Bush. A vast left wing conspiracy. :lol:
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you need to go back and check what you post before you present them as fact...
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If Robert Novak, one of the best-connected reporters in Washington and an opponent of Iraq's liberation, is correct: quote: Former international weapons inspector David Kay, now seeking Iraqi weapons of mass destruction for the Pentagon, has privately reported successes that are planned to be revealed to the public in mid-September....
Kay has told his superiors he has found substantial evidence of biological weapons in Iraq, plus considerable missile development. . . . Senior officials in the Bush administration believe Kay's weapons discoveries should have been revealed as they were made. However, a decision, approved by President Bush, was made to wait until more was discovered and then announce it--probably in September.
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quote: I don't know why peope can't bring themselves to even question the government if it's their side of the political spectrum in power. It's what ultimately discredits their arguments for me since they don't seem to be considering the other side, just following blindly.
Exactly.
quote: you need to go back and check what you post before you present them as fact...
What was wrong with what he said?
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quote: Originally posted by MisterJLA: quote: Originally posted by PJP: .......whomod come on man you're smarter than that.
No really, he isn't.
quote: The Bush Administration routinely shows disrespect for that whole basic process, and I think it's partly because they feel as if they already know the truth and aren't very curious to learn about any facts that might contradict it. They and the members of groups that belong to their ideological coalition are true believers in each other's agendas.
"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that one way or another,"
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quote: The 2001 winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, George Akerlof, went even further last week in Germany when he told Der Spiegel, "This is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history...This is not normal government policy." In describing the impact of the Bush policies on America's future, Akerloff added, "What we have here is a form of looting."

quote: ''When I put my hand on the Bible, that day when they swear us in, when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not - to uphold the laws of the land''
~ George W. Bush in Ohio, October 27th, reported in The Economist, November 4, 2000).
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Everyone here should read this article by Noam Chomsky. Even though he leans to the left, the New York Times refered to him as "arguably the most important intellectual alive." He's also "one of the ten most quoted sources in the humanities." http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=4030
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quote: Originally posted by JQ: Everyone here should read this article by Noam Chomsky. Even though he leans to the left, the New York Times refered to him as "arguably the most important intellectual alive." He's also "one of the ten most quoted sources in the humanities."
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=4030
What's the use, the sheep will automatically respond Pavlov-like that Chomsky is a "COMMUNIST!" just like their programmer Hannity taught them.
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Just trying to get something started. Anyone want to respond?
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quote: Originally posted by JQ: Just trying to get something started. Anyone want to respond?

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:lol: whomod has completely lost it. :lol:
What do you do? Sit on your ass all day hitting the Bush parody sites looking for new material to cut and paste from, like that is going to actually prove anything?
:lol:
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"Look at me! I have no actual substance! I sit around making fun of people all day! Whining accomplishes so much more than actually doing something!!!" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pretty sad, whomod.
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Rack Captain Sammitch.
Out.
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quote: Originally posted by MisterJLA: :lol: whomod has completely lost it. :lol:
What do you do? Sit on your ass all day hitting the Bush parody sites looking for new material to cut and paste from, like that is going to actually prove anything?
:lol:
And I care what you and Captain Crunch think of me because...
Blow me.
Bush could gun down subway travelers in midday and you'd reason some justification for it.
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I take it you bookmarked the site where that gruesome picture came from. ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif) Poor guy. ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by MisterJLA: I take it you bookmarked the site where that gruesome picture came from.
Poor guy.
http://www.robkamphausen.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001742

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So you got it from here. I actually never saw that, and why you would want to post that again is beyond me. ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif) I guess it must "do something" for you. ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by MisterJLA: So you got from here. I actually never saw that, and why you would want to post that again is beyond me.
I guess it must "do something" for you.
Nah. This is the one that does something for me.
It makes me roll on the floor laughing. :lol:

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Seriously whomod, thanks for being such a good sport in your losing effort. I'm sure you'll win someday!
(Not really, but good effort...sort of!)
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quote: Originally posted by MisterJLA: Seriously whomod, thanks for being such a good sport in your losing effort. I'm sure you'll win someday!
(Not really, but good effort...sort of!)
:)
You just can't shut up, eh??
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Those pictures make me so hot! I think I'll go wake up a bum.
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Sit on his face.....he'll love it.
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quote: Originally posted by PJP: Sit on his face.....he'll love it.

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quote: Originally posted by Sonia: http://www.geocities.com/whomod/Sonia.jpg
10 dollar we make bang bang!
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quote: Originally posted by Sonia: http://www.geocities.com/whomod/Sonia.jpg
Me take you all on.

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quote: Originally posted by Sonia: Now there are some real (pathetic loser) men!
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