RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events "It's not about oil or Iraq..."

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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I'd be happy to provide direct quotes from Rush Limbaugh and David Horowitz if you'd like. Limbaugh's in particular is hysterical. One day after smearing her and getting an unusual amount of heat for it, he denied he ever said what he had said and instead blamed the liberal media misquoting him !

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508180002

What a punk ass!

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190001

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Here's another example of why no one takes you seriously. You're just spoon fed what the left what's you to hear. I acctually listen to Air America, but to no surprise i listen to Libaugh. He agknoledged SEVERAL times that he felt symapthy for Sheehan and her loss He agknoledged many times that her loss was real BEFORE making the statement misquoted. He THEN went on to explain that what was false about her story was the suposed sponaniousness of camping out in front of the Bush ranch. It's pathetic that your side relies on such sad attempts. They assume that those on your side won't acctually do the research themselves, well the episode you refer to when he FIRST made the statement is available on his site. Anyone who acctually takes the time to look into it themselves will see that everything I said is true and that to believe your side would have to take the quote as though it were isolated with no context. That's why people like me BOLT from the left as soon as they start to listen to both sides. You talk about blindly following the ideas of others, well it seems that your side is far more guilty of that than mine. The only reason you think that you can think for yourself is because your pupett masters tell you that you're thinking for yourselves.

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^{Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Junkie who gobbles down handfulls of oxycontin everyday}

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magicjay38 said:

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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I'd be happy to provide direct quotes from Rush Limbaugh and David Horowitz if you'd like. Limbaugh's in particular is hysterical. One day after smearing her and getting an unusual amount of heat for it, he denied he ever said what he had said and instead blamed the liberal media misquoting him !

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508180002

What a punk ass!

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190001

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Here's another example of why no one takes you seriously. You're just spoon fed what the left what's you to hear. I acctually listen to Air America, but to no surprise i listen to Libaugh. He agknoledged SEVERAL times that he felt symapthy for Sheehan and her loss He agknoledged many times that her loss was real BEFORE making the statement misquoted. He THEN went on to explain that what was false about her story was the suposed sponaniousness of camping out in front of the Bush ranch. It's pathetic that your side relies on such sad attempts. They assume that those on your side won't acctually do the research themselves, well the episode you refer to when he FIRST made the statement is available on his site. Anyone who acctually takes the time to look into it themselves will see that everything I said is true and that to believe your side would have to take the quote as though it were isolated with no context. That's why people like me BOLT from the left as soon as they start to listen to both sides. You talk about blindly following the ideas of others, well it seems that your side is far more guilty of that than mine. The only reason you think that you can think for yourself is because your pupett masters tell you that you're thinking for yourselves.

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^{Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Junkie who gobbles down handfulls of oxycontin everyday}

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Good...... point? It's good to see the left is expressing it's typical tollerance and excepting forgiveness it braggs about everyday. I wonder if there are any talk show hosts on teh left with skeletons in thier closet?

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MisterJLA said:
OPRAH?

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ARRRRRGH!
Fuckin' Oprah!

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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I'd be happy to provide direct quotes from Rush Limbaugh and David Horowitz if you'd like. Limbaugh's in particular is hysterical. One day after smearing her and getting an unusual amount of heat for it, he denied he ever said what he had said and instead blamed the liberal media misquoting him !

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508180002

What a punk ass!

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190001

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Here's another example of why no one takes you seriously. You're just spoon fed what the left what's you to hear. I acctually listen to Air America, but to no surprise i listen to Libaugh. He agknoledged SEVERAL times that he felt symapthy for Sheehan and her loss He agknoledged many times that her loss was real BEFORE making the statement misquoted. He THEN went on to explain that what was false about her story was the suposed sponaniousness of camping out in front of the Bush ranch.

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I beleive mediamatters provides not only a full transcript but audio quotes. If you choose to beleive not what you read and hear but what you're told later on by the oxymoron, then knock yourself out.

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From the August 15 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.

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But on the August 17 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, Limbaugh falsely claimed that his comments were being misreported:

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LIMBAUGH: Let me take a brief time out here to address something. I have been the recipient of a pretty decent amount of hate mail, far, far, far more hate mail than I usually get. Just this morning -- and I don't really get a whole lot of hate mail. And most of it's funny as it can be. But apparently there is something that is out there misreporting what I have said. And of course, these people are reading that rather than listening to this program and choosing to believe it.

Apparently, what's out there is that I said that Cindy Sheehan is no different than Bill Burkett, that Bill Burkett lied and Cindy Sheehan lied. They're actually out there, people saying that I am accusing Cindy Sheehan of making up the fact that she had a son and making up the fact that her son died in Iraq. And of course, I've never said this. That I, early on in this, if you wanna go back -- and we'll post the archives on my website tonight just to illustrate this. I'm the one that actually expressed a little compassion for her. And I said I don't really wanna talk too much about her, particularly because she's lost a son here. And that can never be easy. And I don't care -- there are all kinds of different people that have all kinds of different reactions to this. But losing a child is the absolute worst thing that can happen to an adult. There's nothing that rivals it, in my estimation.

So the idea that I think that she's making it all up is just another sign of the desperation of the people on the left who love to take us all out of context to try to get their side riled up. What I said was that the media looks at her the same way they look at Bill Burkett, as an opportunity. It didn't matter whether Burkett was telling the truth or not, and it doesn't matter what the specifics of Cindy Sheehan's case are. She is protesting Bush, Burkett hated Bush. That's why they're attractive to the media, and that's why the media is willing to exploit her.

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There. Please explain why his original statement should be forgotten and the backtrack heeded instead. Because he "spoon fed" it to you?

You can get all angry and insulting with me but man, first Limbaugh gets caught lying to people, then Robertson with his calls to assasination and later denial of having said just that, and now oddly enough Santorum claiming that he's criticized Bush in the past but with no actual transcripts or audio/video to back this odd claim.

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"The U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, who is third in the leadership, says one of the reasons people should vote for him is because he is in leadership," Casey said in an interview Thursday. "But he is not asking the tough questions."

Yesterday, Santorum disputed Casey's characterization, saying he had raised concerns about military and diplomatic progress in Iraq with administration officials, spoken publicly about intelligence failings that preceded the 9/11 attacks, and bucked the President in pushing for measures that crack down on Syria and Iran, which have been blamed for aiding insurgents [...]

"I have a very clear track record of being supportive of the policy, but not necessarily all of the tactics," the two-term senator said. "That shows a level of involvement and sophistication that my opponent has not grasped... . I still have concerns about our level of activity with respect to fighting the insurgency, and the number of former Baathists who are put in positions of power in the country and their relationships with Iran. I have expressed those concerns publicly and privately."

However, his public statements on those issues could not be found.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/12429559.htm

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Today, Santorum was still unable to find evidence of said disagreements.

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Republican U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum's office acknowledged yesterday that it cannot locate public statements of the senator questioning the Iraq war, despite the senator's claim last week that he has publicly expressed his concerns.

But Santorum said that doesn't mean he hasn't made the comments.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/12467681.htm

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Things have gotten so bad for Bush, that Republicans are now trying to invent disagreements with the president in order to distance themselves from the Bush disaster.

And that's funny.

I don't know.... Despite all this lying and then getting caught red handed doing it, you instead always point your ire and derision my way. I'm not the one playing you for a fool. I'm trying to help you....

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I beleive mediamatters provides not only a full transcript but audio quotes. If you choose to beleive not what you read and hear but what you're told later on by the oxymoron, then knock yourself out.

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Captain Sammitch said:
I can no longer measure the overwhelming sums of time and effort wasted on this thread.

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That's partly because this avatar ---> is easier to take seriously than the ID to wich it's attached.

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theory9 said:
That avatar is scary.

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wannabuyamonkey said:
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Never has a more accurate description of what goes on the air over there been given.

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Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 9:58 p.m. EST

Saddam's 500-ton Uranium Stockpile

Thanks to Leakgate Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's decision to indict "Scooter" Libby last week, Bush administration accuser Joe Wilson is once again the toast of Washington, D.C. - recycling the fifteen minutes of fame he first purchased in July 2003 with the claim that Bush lied about Iraq's plan to acquire uranium from Niger.

Why was Bush's uranium claim so important? Because if true, the mere attempt by the Iraqi dictator to acquire uranium would show that he had clear and incontrovertible plans to restart his nuclear program.

Maybe that's why the press seldom discusses the fact that Saddam already had a staggeringly large stockpile of uranium - 500 tons, to be exact.

And if his mere intention to acquire uranium was enough to justify fears of Saddam's nuclear ambition, what would the average person deduce from that fact that he'd already stockpiled a huge quantity of the bombmaking fuel?

Story Continues Below

In its May 22, 2004 edition, the New York Times confirmed a myriad of reports on Saddam's nuclear fuel stockpile - and revealed a chilling detail unknown to weapons inspectors before the war: that Saddam had begun to partially enrich his uranium stash.

The Times noted:

"The repository, at Tuwaitha, a centerpiece of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program, . . . . holds more than 500 tons of uranium . . . . Some 1.8 tons is classified as low-enriched uranium."

Thomas B. Cochran, director of the nuclear program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, told the Times that "the low-enriched version could be useful to a nation with nuclear ambitions."

"A country like Iran," Mr. Cochran said, "could convert that into weapons-grade material with a lot fewer centrifuges than would be required with natural uranium."

The paper conceded that while Saddam's nearly 2 tons of partially enriched uranium was "a more potent form" of the nuclear fuel, it was "still not sufficient for a weapon.

Consulted about the low-enriched uranium discovery, however, Ivan Oelrich, a physicist at the Federation of American Scientists, told the Associated Press that if it was of the 3 percent to 5 percent level of enrichment common in fuel for commercial power reactors, the 1.8 tons could be used to produce enough highly enriched uranium to make a single nuclear bomb.

Luckily, Iraq didn't have even the small number of centrifuges necessary to get the job done.

Or did it?

The physicist tapped by Saddam to run his centrifuge program says that after the first Gulf War, the program was largely dismantled. But it wasn't destroyed.

In fact, according to what he wrote in his 2004 book, "The Bomb in My Garden," Dr. Mahdi Obeidi told U.S. interrogators: "Saddam kept funding the IAEC [Iraq Atomic Energy Commission] from 1991 ... until the war in 2003."

"I was developing the centrifuge for the weapons" right through 1997, he revealed.

And after that, Dr. Obeidi said, Saddam ordered him under penalty of death to keep the technology available to resume Iraq's nuke program at a moment's notice.

Dr. Obeidi said he buried "the full set of blueprints, designs - everything to restart the centrifuge program - along with some critical components of the centrifuge" under the garden of his Baghdad home.

"I had to maintain the program to the bitter end," he explained. All the while the Iraqi physicist was aware that he held the key to Saddam's continuing nuclear ambitions.

"The centrifuge is the single most dangerous piece of nuclear technology," Dr. Obeidi said in his book. "With advances in centrifuge technology, it is now possible to conceal a uranium enrichment program inside a single warehouse."

Consider: 500 tons of yellowcake stored at Saddam's old nuclear weapons plant, where he'd managed to partially enrich 1.8 tons. And the equipment and blueprints that could enrich enough uranium to make a bomb stored away for safekeeping. And all of it at the Iraqi dictator's disposal.

If the average American were aware of these undisputed facts, the debate over Iraq's weapons of mass destruction would have been decided long ago - in President Bush's favor.

One more detail that Mr. Wilson and his media backers don't like to discuss: the reason Niger was such a likely candidate for Saddam's uranium shopping spree.

Responding to the firestorm that erupted after Wilson's July 2003 column, Prime Minister Tony Blair told reporters:

"In case people should think that the whole idea of a link between Iraq and Niger was some invention, in the 1980s we know for sure that Iraq purchased round about 270 tons of uranium from Niger."

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US saw Qaeda-Iraq informant as likely liar in 2002
By David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A captured al Qaeda operative who told U.S. authorities that Iraq had trained al Qaeda members to use unconventional weapons was identified as a probable liar months before the Bush administration began using his claims to make its case for war.

Declassified portions of a Defense Intelligence Agency document dated February 2002 said it was likely that the prisoner, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, was intentionally misleading debriefers about Saddam Hussein's support for al Qaeda's work with chemical and biological weapons.
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One of Saddam Hussein's official hangmen is speaking to the media for the first time - offering a firsthand account of some of the torture techniques he used on Saddam's orders.

Recalling his time working at Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison, Abu Hussein [last name withheld] recalled that a new batch of political prisoners was brought in - without being charged with a crime - every week.

Deserters from Iraq's war with Iran faced the firing squad, the hangman told Reuters, while prisoners who had insulted Saddam were hanged because it was more cruel.

"A firing squad is more compassionate because people usually died immediately. But hanging is cruel because it can take time to die. If they don't die, we started over again," he said.

Death always came after weeks of torture, Abu Hussein said.

"Sometimes we would hang them upside down and beat their feet with clubs. Or we would electrocute them," he said.

"One of the worst things was putting 10 people in a one-square-meter room for weeks. They had a brief break every day and were allowed the toilet every three days," he said.

Three executions were carried out each Monday and Thursday. One day Saddam's feared son Uday showed up and asked about eight political prisoners standing nearby. He ordered their immediate execution, the ex-executioner told Reuters.

He recalled watching men writhe in agony as they died, which even he found upsetting. But nobody could afford to defy orders in Saddam's Iraq.

"We would have been killed on the spot," Abu Hussein said. "One time this executioner was one hour late in hanging someone and he was himself hanged."

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theory9 said:
The US has known about this since the 80's...they knew about it during Gulf War I, during the Iran-Iraq War, during the No-Fly Zone, and so on...

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the G-man said:
Damn. I can see why some of you are sorry we removed him from power.

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the G-man said:
"One of the worst things was putting 10 people in a one-square-meter room for weeks. They had a brief break every day and were allowed the toilet every three days," he said.

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DONALD RUMSFELD: [ criticising one-sided media coverage: ]
I say tell the whole story.
Why not some context?
And I'm not in your business. I don't walk in your shoes. I don't know how tough it is. It has to be tough, but all I know is that there are 150,000 troops over there who keep asking me, what in the world is going on; why is the impression in the United States so notably different than the facts on the ground that they see every single day?
JIM LEHRER: Well, as you know --
DONALD RUMSFELD: It's not my impression; it's theirs.




JIM LEHRER: Put the press aside for a moment. Some people would say to you, Mr. Secretary, the problem or the reason public opinion has sunk so low is the expectations that the American people had for this war have not been met.
Quite the contrary, they didn't expect 2,100 Americans to die. They didn't expect 16,000 to be wounded and they sure didn't expect 1,900 of the 2,100 to die after major combat was ended.
So is that part of the problem as well?
DONALD RUMSFELD: Could be.
JIM LEHRER: You don't think --
DONALD RUMSFELD: It could be, it could be. I mean, I was very careful. I never predicted any number of deaths or the cost or the length because I've looked at a lot of wars, and anyone who tries to do that is going to find themselves wrong, flat wrong.
I will give you an interesting statistic.
The number of people who have been killed in action in Iraq is 1,664.
It's a lot.
The number of people who have died over there [of other causes ] are another 446.
The number of people who have been wounded are 16,000.
Of those, 8,500 went back in to their posts, back to duty within 48 or 72 hours.
Now that's just a little refinement on what you said. But it's not nothing -- it is a nontrivial difference between [ the statistical facts and ] how you characterized it.

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the G-man said:
As former "Nation" contributor Christopher Hitchens writes:

• Baghdad was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna* and Rome.
  
• Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer.
  
• Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.)
  
• In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time.
  
• After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait.
  
• Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country.
  
• In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam.
  
• In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge.
  
• Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war.
  
• On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.)
  

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the G-man said:

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the G-man said:
As former "Nation" contributor Christopher Hitchens writes:

• Baghdad was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna* and Rome.
  
• Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer.
  
• Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.)
  
• In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time.
  
• After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait.
  
• Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country.
  
• In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam.
  
• In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge.
  
• Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war.
  
• On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.)
  

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The Paper Trail: Newly released documents provide more evidence of Saddam's terror ties.

After substantial prodding--including from The Wall Street Journal--the U.S. government has finally begun to release its captured Iraqi documents and is posting them at the Web site of the Army's Foreign Military Studies Office. This material will take considerable time to absorb and analyze, but it may yet contribute significantly to our understanding of the nature of the threat Saddam Hussein posed.

Most dramatically, an Iraqi intelligence report, apparently written in early 1997, describes Iraqi efforts to establish ties with various elements in the Saudi opposition, including Osama bin Laden. Until 1996, the Saudi renegade was based in Sudan, then ruled by Hassan Turabi's National Islamic Front. One of Iraq's few allies, Sudan served as an intermediary between Baghdad and bin Laden, as well as other Islamic radicals. On Feb. 19, 1995, an Iraqi intelligence agent met with bin Laden in Khartoum. Bin Laden asked for two things: to carry out joint operations against foreign forces in Saudi Arabia and to broadcast the speeches of a radical Saudi cleric. Iraq agreed to the latter, but apparently not the former, at least as far as the author of this report knew. Notably, the report also states, "We are working at the present time to activate this relationship through new channels."

This one report hints at the extensive international presence that the Iraqi Intelligence Service maintained. Iraq's ambassadors to Sudan and Yemen were intelligence agents, suggesting that those two countries were major centers of IIS activity. The report also mentions IIS stations in Islamabad, New Delhi and New York.

Another newly released document bears the name of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It is a flier from the "Committee for Arab Liaison with the Islamic Emirate" (i.e., Afghanistan) for recruiting volunteers in Iraq to fight in Afghanistan. It explains that the "Arab brothers" who wish to go there should send a written proposal "so that we can know him and his needs." Zarqawi is among six people listed as individuals to contact.

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Nigeria, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China. To name a few.
All have human rights violations, several have the actual ability to attack us. Yet we go after the guy with oil and a history of feuding with the Bush clan. Then we go in with no plan, but make sure to secure that oil.


"W is for Women" indeed.

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Matter-eater Man said:
Poor leadership has cost us so much in the last couple of years in blood & money.

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PJP said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
Poor leadership has cost us so much in the last couple of years in blood & money.

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Agreed. Somalia and Kosovo were a waste. I'll never forgive Clinton for it. And let's not forget about Clinton causing 9/11. Motherfucker should have gone after Bin Laden when he had the chance instead of getting blowjobs from skanks.

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Matter-eater Man said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
Poor leadership has cost us so much in the last couple of years in blood & money.

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Agreed. Somalia and Kosovo were a waste. I'll never forgive Clinton for it. And let's not forget about Clinton causing 9/11. Motherfucker should have gone after Bin Laden when he had the chance instead of getting blowjobs from skanks.

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I was referring to the big strategical mistakes made with going into Iraq & how it was carried out. Somalia & Kosovo had smaller costs in terms of blood & money. Oh & I thought 9/11 happened while Bush was President. His leadership in those first crucial minutes of the first tower getting hit consisted of him reading a children's book. He's been consistent with his leadership during the Iraq war & Katrina.

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PJP said:
Of course your right. Bush was responsible for Katrina as evidenced by his being offered the role of Orroro in X-Men 3 this May 5.

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the G-man said:
So the best rebuttal you have to increasing evidence of Saddam's ties to terrorists, including al queda, is to dredge up Michael Moore talking points about Bush reading to school kids?

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Matter-eater Man said:

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PJP said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
Poor leadership has cost us so much in the last couple of years in blood & money.

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Agreed. Somalia and Kosovo were a waste. I'll never forgive Clinton for it. And let's not forget about Clinton causing 9/11. Motherfucker should have gone after Bin Laden when he had the chance instead of getting blowjobs from skanks.

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I was referring to the big strategical mistakes made with going into Iraq & how it was carried out. Somalia & Kosovo had smaller costs in terms of blood & money.

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..., contrary to your earlier assertions, there is a link between Iraq and terror?

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