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Wonder Boy said:
The Democrats have no plan to turn things around or run a more efficient war. Despite every effort on your part to spin it otherwise, they are ready to just give up.
And I might add (as G-man and others have quoted across several topics) many of the veterans who return from Iraq do NOT support what Murtha is saying, and see progress in Iraq that is not reflected in news coverage or in the rhetoric they hear when they come home to the U.S..


yet when Generals say Bush and Rumsfeld are fucking up you turn a deaf ear.

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I say it again:


spew your bullshit as much as you want, doesn't make it true.

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If during World War II this country were subject to the same liberal sympathy for the enemy that exists now, the same outright liberal disinformation, the same divisive partisan attacks on our leaders at every turn, the same calls to bring our troops home with every minor setback and bombing, then we would have lost World War II.


1. Questioning the methods of war is hardly the same as supporting the enemy in a war.
2. Human rights treaties have been in existence longer than the democratic party has. Its not a liberal issue to demand ethical treatement of prisoners.
3. Roosevelt still had to run for reelection and prove himself and his policies. And the people supported him, Bush's numbers are sinking because he's failing not because he's being questioned.
4. Its taken almost as long now in Iraq (a pissant little country) than we spent in WWII against the Japanese and the Germans. Maybe Bush should stop trying to G-man/rape us of our civil liberties and focus on actually managing the war he started.

Bow ties are coool.