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in his defense it was only like 48 people....
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Details please.
I second that!
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Originally posted by rexstardust:
Details please.
Apparently the Green River serial killer will plead guilty to 48 murders in exchange for being spared the death penalty.
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He's pleading guilty to some unsolved murders, as well.
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He's pleading guilty to some unsolved murders, as well.
Really? That sounds stupid to me if he didn't commit those crimes. If the real murderers weren't caught, those cases are closed and those guys can breathe easy.
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Yep, police have been bitten in the ass by such confessions before.
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As far as I see it, its one last way to screw the public. Now your taxes have to be taken to support this guys life.
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/05/green.river.killings/ quote:
Ridgway pleads guilty to 48 Green River killings
Murderer avoids death in plea deal
Wednesday, November 5, 2003 Posted: 7:38 PM EST (0038 GMT)
SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- Hatred and arrogance fueled Gary Leon Ridgway's killing spree.
In confessing to more murders than any other serial killer in U.S. history Wednesday, the 54-year-old former truck painter provided heart-wrenching details of the 48 women he murdered to their families gathered in a Seattle courtroom to hear his confession.
Ridgway's confessions came in exchange for a plea agreement that spares him the death penalty and provides information that will help parents recover the remains of daughters lost for nearly two decades.
King County prosecutor Norm Maleng said Ridgway agreed to help investigators locate and identify the remains of some of those victims whose bodies remain undiscovered if prosecutors dropped efforts to obtain a death sentence.
Ridgway affirmed a 16-page statement admitting to the killings as King County Deputy Prosecutor Jeff Baird read the document aloud in court Wednesday.
In his statement, Ridgway said he targeted prostitutes "because I thought I could kill as many as I wanted without getting caught."
"Gary Ridgway does not deserve our mercy, and Gary Ridgway does not deserve to live," Maleng said. "The mercy provided by today's resolution is not directed toward Gary Ridgway, but toward the families who suffered so much and to the larger community."
"I hate most prostitutes. I did not want to pay them for sex," Ridgway acknowledged. "I also picked prostitutes as victims because they were easy to pick up, without being noticed. I knew they would not be reported missing right away, and might never be reported missing."
Some relatives of the victims wept in the courtroom as Ridgway confessed.
Ridgway also acknowledged that killing was his intent before meeting the women.
"In most cases, when I murdered these women, I did not know their names," Ridgway's statement to the court said. "Most of the time, I killed them the first time I met them. I do not have a good memory for their faces. I killed so many women, I have a hard time keeping them straight."
Ridgway admitted placing the bodies in "clusters," usually near a landmark that helped him remember their locations.
"I did this because I wanted to keep track of all of the women I killed," he said in his statement, which he affirmed as Baird read it aloud. "I liked to drive by the clusters around the county and think about the women I placed there."
Prosecution seeks more information on victims
The Green River killer's slaying spree began in 1982, when women in the Seattle area, mainly runaways and prostitutes were targeted. The first victims turned up near the banks of the Green River south of Seattle, giving Ridgway his moniker.
I do not have a good memory for their faces. I killed so many women, I have a hard time keeping them straight.
-- Gary Ridgway
The remains of dozens of women turned up near Pacific Northwest ravines, rivers, airports and freeways in the 1980s. Investigators officially listed 49 of them as probable victims of the Green River killer.
Ridgway led investigators to three sets of remains over the summer. The bodies of four of the 48 women Ridgway admitted killing have yet to be found.
Judge Richard A. Jones put off sentencing for up to six months to allow investigators to question Ridgway in more detail. Baird said the state eventually would ask Jones to sentence Ridgway to 48 consecutive life terms in prison without the possibility of parole.
Six women whose deaths were attributed to the Green River killer were not among the charges Ridgway admitted to Wednesday. Ridgway confessed to killing five women whose names were not among the known Green River victims, and his lawyers said he could face charges in other jurisdictions, as well.
Two of the bodies on the official list of 49 Green River victims were found in Oregon, which has capital punishment
Ridgway, who was arrested in 2001, had been scheduled for trial in July 2004 in connection with the deaths of seven of the women. Prosecutors said DNA evidence linked him to at least some of those seven slayings.
Baird said the rest of those cases might not have been resolved without the plea agreement, and he said most of the victims' families agreed with the deal.
"These individuals are all in a state of grief. They are angry and upset," he said. "But I believe I can say with assurance that most of them -- a majority of them -- agree in principle with the plea agreement, and there are a few, I'm told, that do not."
"I find it incredible that an individual was able to cause that many deaths, perpetrate that much suffering and misery on so many people," said Joe Yellow Robe, father of victim Patricia Yellow Robe.
CNN correspondent Gary Tuchman contributed to this report.
this fuck should fry. There should have been no plea bargain. He deserves to lose his life for taking so many others'.
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I'm not a fan of death-sentences, don't like it at all, I'm very happy that we don't have it in dk, but IF I had to sentence someone to death, he would seem like a good candidate.....
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By the way, what's the point of giving the guy 48 consecutive life sentences? In general, I mean. The guy would only ever serve one life sentence ever, why not just say he's serving ONE life sentence? Why make a point of saying he has a life sentence for each one of those murders?
And in regards to his sentence, I agree he deserves to die, but the death penalty is probably less of a punishment than a life sentence would be, wouldn't it? I mean, he dies peacefully and that's it. A life sentence means he's stuck in prison getting anally raped till he dies, hopefully.
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Life sentences don't always mean they'll be served until the end of that person's life. There was a case in Wisconsin some years back, a woman killed her two kids(believe me, the exact details are much more gruesome). She was sentenced to two life sentences. The life sentences were each only a minimum of thirteen years, so her first shot at parole was/is after twenty-six years(thankfully, the sentences were at least consecutive and not concurrent).
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Damn Liberals. This guy does not deserve to live. Fry the Fucker.
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This guy may not be executed, but no way in hell he's gonna live out his jail term. Remember what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer? This guy's either gonna get his throat cut, or the other cons are gonna gonna have him begging for them to finish him off. Actually, that would be better than executing him. A gruesome fate for a gruesome man. One final note: quote:
Damn Liberals. This guy does not deserve to live. Fry the Fucker.
Sigh...we just can't leave partisanship out of anything around here, can we?
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I'm not sure, but I think the reason for multiple life sentences is just in case he gets paroled for the first life sentence, then he still can't get out because he has to serve the other life sentences. Or maybe it's just in my country.
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Exactly, there's no way he can be paroled, thus the purpose of multilpe sentences.
Ridgeway was found guilty due to his DNA being identified on some of the victims. The technology to deduce that wasn't available back in the 80's when this originally happened but is now. When he was confronted with this evidence and was told he'd get the death penalty if he didn't cooperate he cut a deal where he'd admit to all murders if his life was spared. He actually lead police thru forests and underbrush to several victims in the past few months. Probably the last time that bastard will ever see sunlight.
On a sidenote, he's suspected of up to 90 murders. He usually picked them up and brought them to his house and strangled them in his bedroom, then dump the body.
Though I'm not a fan of the death penalty, this sorry SOB deserves it. If you could read how he just reveled in this it'd make you wanna kill him. Check out the Seattle Post Intelligencer web site if you need details.
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He can still get the death penalty if he's found guilty for other murders in Oregon and British Columbia. His deal is only for Washington. But at least now the families of the identified 48 victims have closure. They finally know what happened to their family member.
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If he has to get life in jail as opposed to the death penalty, do they put guys like this in solitary, or do they put him with the other cons?
Hopefully, they'll put him with the other cons so they can make him suffer every night for the rest of his life behind bars. A guy like this deserves to suffer more than he deserves death. Once he's dead, there's nothing else you can do to him. As long as he's alive, you can keep hurting him and make him suffer. It's nothing compared to the suffering of the families of his victims, but I think it's the closest we can get.
Of course, I wouldn't shed any tears if he got shived by his cellmate or something like that.
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OK, the multiple life sentences thing makes sense now. I'm glad it has a purpose. And, yeah, the death penalty in this country is very easygoing compared to the prison term. I always think it's funny when I hear about them sterilizing the needle for a lethal injection. :lol: Him being in prison for years until he dies naturally (or is shived ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) ) sounds like better punishment.
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Originally posted by Stupid Dogg:
As far as I see it, its one last way to screw the public. Now your taxes have to be taken to support this guys life.
Darknight613 already answered this very well above.
Better that this serial killer live out the rest of his life in hell, getting beaten up and gang-raped by other inmates, than have the state go through the lengthy and costly process of getting the death penalty enacted.
While I believe in the death penalty, it is very expensive, and costs many years and millions of dollars in appeals.
As long as this guy rots in jail with no hope of ever getting paroled, that's good enough for me.
Also, the unresolved cases are girls he clearly murdered, but that can't be proven, and where the bodies can't be found. So the reduced sentence to life in prison at least allows the murderer to tell police where he buried the bodies of these girls, so the victims' families can finally bury their children, and have that degree of closure to their murders.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stupid Dogg:
As far as I see it, its one last way to screw the public. Now your taxes have to be taken to support this guys life.
there are a lot of cases where the death pentaly is more costly than life sentences, because of all of the trials and appeals and such, not to mention debates and protestors and all. in fact, i think a study came out via cnn or something a year or two ago that said in most big press cases (this being one of them), its always more expensive to utilize the death penalty.
personally, im against the death penalty.
but, realistically, i agree that i'd rather know this guy was rotting away for decades in prison, getting his ass kicked and molested, rather than a "quick and easy" escape via death.
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Originally posted by Stupid Dogg:
As far as I see it, its one last way to screw the public. Now your taxes have to be taken to support this guys life.
Darknight613 already answered this very well above.
Better that this serial killer live out the rest of his life in hell, getting beaten up and gang-raped by other inmates, than go through the lengthy process of getting the death penalty.
Provided they don't put him in solitary to keep the other cons away from him.
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Robbie said: "personally, im against the death penalty."
Robbie, we DO agree on something!
IMHO, no civilized society executes its citizens. This guy kills 48 women? He's clearly got a pathology or two going on in the ole brain pan.
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...personally, im against the death penalty...
I also agree.
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I have the Bill Cosby approach: whatever the law dictates. If it's life in prison, fine. If it's the death penalty, okay.
But I remember a rapist/murderer in Washington by the name of Charles Campbell who dared the state to excecute him. He raped a woman, claimed he would do it again when he got out of prison, when he did he raped her and her mother and slit both their throats when he was done with them. And the whole time in prison he said he was living in a state assisted facility with a warm bed and free food all supported by taxpayers and had no problem with it. The bastard actually laughed at the judge when the death penalty was handed down to him because he said there was no way it would happen and that he expected to die old and fat.
It took ten more years, but he got the noose. I felt more pity for Ted Bundy than I did for that bastard Campbell. He was given a chance and comitted an even more heinous crime and reveled in it. But unlike Bundy or Ridgeway, Campbell actually dared the state of Washington to execute him. In court. You wouldn't believe the uproar when that was reported to the public.
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I'm against the death penalty but I think murderers and other big criminals should be sent to a federal penitentiary in Alaska where they would do hard labor and life a horrible life. That way it might scare some people straight.
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OK I haven't been around to add to the the thread that I started.
First for every murder that he confessed to, he had to provide evidence that he did infact kill them so he's not letting anyone off the hook.
Update: It's not believed that he has been suckered with a "one-two" punch, because the State apperantly has him for at least seven more murders and with a 48 murder convition without the option of appeal. He's certain to get the Death Penalty.
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