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with all the millennium crap that was stirred up within the past 2 years or so, EVERYbody had a list of something out there. ABC had "tv event of the century," mtv had "music video of the century," newsweek had "event of the century".... my question to you is a multi-parter: 1) who do YOU think is the person of the century? and why? 2) would you be "insulted" (for lack of a better term) if the man or woman voted in was a "mere" entertainer? (i.e; actor, comedian, etc)
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My vote for person of the century goes to...um, crikey! This is a pretty hard question! (What do you do, Rob, lie awake at night thinking of these or something?!?)
I want somebody that I think has done great things and represented the spirit of humanity and yadda yadda yadda. Off the top of my head, I'd have to say I think Mother Therasa did a pretty good job as a representitive of humanity...
As for part two of the question, Yes, I'd be very angry if some entertainer got the place. Person of the Century should be someone that has generally made the world a better place, or at least dedicated their life to doing that. Entertainers entertain (funnily enough!), they don't save the world. Occasionally they do something commendable, but nevre anything that could get them listed as the person of the century.
Well, that's what I reckon, anyway!
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well, michael... i like debating. and, i enjoy thinking of controversial questions like these, just cuz they cause debating. plus, all the responses are generally fun and interesting to read. gives you a good idea of what everyone might really be like in real life, or, helps you see people in a new light. all n'all, these questions just make for good conversation. to address your responses: for the first part, you said mother theresa which is definitely a good selection. i think most, like you did, are looking for someone who spent the century, or at least their part of it, doing good and atleast trying to better the world. and she's certainly a strong example. for the second part (and, as i hoped, the "bait" of the question). i was discussing this question with a few friends of mine a few years back, when, as a devil's advocate, i brought up this second part, about an entertainer. and, instantly, they all agreed with you -- that it'd be silly to place someone like, say, steve martin over someone like you mentioned above, mother theresa... but... the more i thought about it... why COULDN'T an entertainer rank high on this list? michael jordon, for example, was a hero to MILLIONS! especially inner city kids, lifting moral, giving others hope (except the knicks). why couldnt he be a great example? no, he didnt cure polio, or invent radio, but... neither did martin luther king. or jfk. or mother theresa. so, then i began trying to think of better entertainer examples, as i could see they weren't buying my michael jordon example. so, how about michael landon. he had 3 major hit television shows, entertaining generations of fans. and, what is an entertainer if they dont entertain people? he made millions upon millions of people laugh and enjoy themselves, even if just for the weekly hour he was on tv. and, when it gets down to the most simple of desires and great lives... isn't laughter at the top of your list? thinking further, i came to johnny carson. now, this guy, nightly, for 30 years, ruled all of america, bringing happiness to hundreds of millions on a daily basis! there was a time that, whether you were 70 or 7, everyone watched carson and the tonight show. you just HAD to. did he bring together races? no. did he fight for gay rights? no. but, he did bring a smile to everyone's face. and, again, why isnt (or shouldnt) that everyone's top priority? yes, we're thankful for, say, electricity. its fantastically wonderful, and, we're pretty close to being unable to do without it. but... for thousands of years, people didnt have a lightbulb or a radio... and yet, lived great, happy lives. just hanging out or telling stories. and, yes, we're thankful for, say, pennicilin. its saved countless lives, benefitted future generations, etc. but, again, while it might be incredible important... how is life worth living if you can't be happy? if you had to choose between 30 years of boring life versus 2 years of incredible happiness... which would you pick? so, now, they started lookin at my side a lil  and thats when i thought of an even better, and perhaps THE best, example to support my devil's advocated argument (and, which now, i think, could be my ACTUAL argument). bob hope sure, ok, now, he might be a 300 year old looking jedi master. but, for almost the entire century, he entertained BILLIONS of individuals, on a world-wide basis. most especially being there to entertain, pray for, and support soldiers for almost every war of the century. bringing smiles to guys who were, otherwise, scared shitless. bringing joy to soldiers who were really just 18 year old high school kids. making sense, or atleast trying to, of something they couldn't understand. thats good stuff. and, after thinking about all that, i really dont think i'd have any problem at all declaring him as the man of the century.
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Well Rob, I enjoy a good debate as well, so here you go! While I certainly see where your line of thinking is coming from, I think the major problem with an entertainer being chosen over someone like Mother Theresa is motivation. While it's true that the examples you chose did make peoples lives better, I think for the majority, their major (in some cases, only) motivation for their actions would have been money.
Sure, entertainers do great things, but it's not exactly hard to do it when you're getting a six-figure paycheck, is it?
Mother Theresa lived in poverty (just about) but still helped people her whole life. That's what makes her more deserving of the award than someone like Jerry Seinfeld, or Steve Martin.
She was willing to give everything to help people. While entertainers may be fine people, you have to wonder wether they would still be doing it if it wasn't profitable anymore...
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definitely a good point! but, does receiving compensation eliminate you from the running? i have no idea how much bob hope made for anything he did -- i do know that he gave a lot to charity, however... even if the guy was paid a ton o' money, i still dont think that removes the beneficial quality that he gave back. granted, mother theresa is the ultimate example of sacrifice, a great leader, and a great woman... but i HAVE to think that bob hope indirectly, but CERTAINLY directly, affected more lives and on a grander scale. by chosing her specific path, her religion, for good or for bad, mother theresa cut her effectiveness in half, as those who dont share her believes wouldnt cater to her at all. having said that, i now see similar arguments could be formed for non americans and bob hope, but still, i think the representation is much greater, as bob hope served as, perhaps, the ultimate entertainer, where as mother theresa, at best, was second to the pope, in terms of religious guidance. now, dont gemme wrong... ill be the last person to belittle ANYthing mother theresa did, both out of the upmost respect, and plus, i dont wanna go t'hell!  but... im still inclined, at this moment, to stick to my answer.
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OK Rob, before we continue, I need to ask; Who exactly is Bob Hope? If I'm gunna be arguing as to wether he should be person of the century, I need to know a little more about him!! 
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wow. ok, bob hope: he's a not-so great commedian and a not-so great entertainer, however, he is one of the first of both (to be featured in movies / tv, as a regular, etc). he goes WAY back (i think he's damn near 100 now). he's done TONS of guest spots in movies and tv through out his career. he used to hold annual shows, as well, like the all american college football team show, a few beauty pageants, even had his own comedy special, i believe. most famous, tho, is his war-time specials, where he'll go to whereever soldier's are at (germany, korea, desert storm, etc) and entertain the entire armed forces in a huge presentation with comedy bits, chicks n'stuff. this is his greatest feat, i believe, as he is truly entertaining those who need it the most -- like i said in previous replies here, most of those soldiers were just kids who were frickin scared and confused abotu the whole situation. he brought a nice warm smile, and a touch of home. good 'nuf? mo' stuff here http://www.bobhope.com/bob.htm
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This is a very difficult question to answer because no one person can be said to have made significant contributions to humanity, across the board. Even renaissance men and women have their limits.
Behind the people who became the icons of the 20th century, there were lesser individuals, who you never hear about but whose work was just as important, and also teams of people who worked in anonymity supporting the figureheads of science, politics, human rights etc...
It is also important to remember that no man's work is an island - it stands as a continuation of the work of people who came before and whose influence inspired the generations that came after.
I'm going to choose James Watson and Francis Crick, who, in 1953, were credited with the discovery of the structure of DNA, for which they received the Nobel prize in 1962.
To illustrate my above point, Watson and Crick did no experimental work themselves and based their paper on the pioneering X-ray work of Professor Maurice Wilkins and Dr Rosalind Franklin, whose names are now forgotten. Franklin actually died, aged 37, a few years before the Nobel prize was awarded. Watson and Crick were responsible for some very clever and creative thinking. They put the final pieces of the puzzle in place but there were other people who did as much work but got none of the public glory.
Never-the-less, the discovery of the structure of DNA has led to significant advances in medical science and the continuing research will benefit anyone who gets sick and requires medical treatment. The effect of this discovery is global. In particular it has helped to identify the genes responsible for many inherited diseases and some personality disorders, and has allowed us to manufacture human proteins such as insulin, which is used to stabilise diabetes. These medical advances will gain momentum in the 21st century. The careful and responsible manipulation of DNA will revolutionise the way we treat certain diseases. It will work miracles in our lifetime.
Use of DNA has become an important evidence tool in crime investigations, enabling the capture of criminals, who might have otherwise walked free, while exonerating those who were innocent and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The structure of DNA itself has also become an iconic figure, giving inspiration to artists.
In answer to the second question, it wouldn't bother me at all if someone nominated an entertainer as their person of the century. After all it's a subjective decision and there is no right answer. There is a tendency to look down on artistic achievement - to devalue it and place it beneath social and scientific advances, because its benefit to us is intangible and can't really be measured.
However when things aren't going great in politics, when there is social injustice or when science fails to come up with the breakthroughs we need, art can make life bearable. Furthermore it often acts as a seed or a catalyst for social or political change and even as an inspiration for those working in the field of science.
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I'm torn between Albert Einstein and Sigmund Freud. I think any explanation would only rehash what most people already know.
I wouldn't be insulted if someone chose a mere entertainer, but I would definitely despute the impact of any entertainer. The closest I could think of that would make my list of greats would be Pablo Picasso.
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Elvis.
He pretty much invented rock and roll as we know it. No Elvis, no Dylan, no Beatles, no Springsteen, no U2, no Eminem, etc.
His gyrations sparked the sexual revolution.
His use of black music opened the door for mainstream acceptance of black artists, which helped open the door for the whole civil rights mvement.
Hail to the King, baby.
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I just can't imagine nominating an entertainer for anything.
Martin Luthor King, for me at least, would be THE leading candidate for Person of the Century...
I don't think he needs an explanation or an example, nor do I think I could come up with one good enough.
His life was an explanation of, and example of, courage and moral conviction in the face of adversity that few in history could compare against.
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I agree with the influence of all you've listed above, and any are good choices for Person of the Century.
I'm inclined to say Adolf Hitler for Man of the Century. Not out of any affection for Hitler, just based solely on his impact on an entire century.
Hitler's opinions were based on the antisemitism and anti-semitic publications prevalent in the late 19th/early 20th century in Europe, North America and elsewhere, that Hitler grew up reading.
Hitler fought in WW I, and he increasingly became a voice for the German man on the street, and for German humiliation and lost pride from 1921 till 1934, when he gained absolute power over Germany.
Hitler took a war-torn, humiliated, and economically destroyed country, and within a few short years made it once again an empire, a global power, and if not for Hitler's own mistakes, Germany was poised to seize the world.
In the aftermath of Hitler, Europe and the rest of the European colonial world (who shared similar segregationist/subordinate attitudes toward blacks, Jews and other non-European races) took a different turn, toward greater rights and equality, in opposition to the Nazi practices the allies had fought against.
And more pragmatically and less idealistically, Europe had exhausted its power warring against itself in WW II, and could no longer hold onto its colonies outside Europe, even if it wanted to. And all these nations in Africa and Asia gained their independence within a few short years as a result.
Without Hitler, colonialism might have gone on forever. Or at least a very long time.
Without Hitler, the post-WW II world would not have shaped into a global balance of power that has bred stability and remarkable peace for the last 60 years, and the greatest economy and standard of living the world has ever known.
But the counter-argument to selecting Hitler as most influential is: at what price?
Certainly, Hitler is directly responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people. But both directly and through indirect long-term ramifications, Hitler's influence on the entire world has been tremendous.
Others whose influence I could easily argue for are:
Franklin D Roosevelt (who more peacefully did many of the same things for the United States that Hitler did for Germany, with a more enduring legacy for the U.S., and interestingly, Roosevelt was in power the exact same years, almost to the month, as Hitler, from January 1933 to April 1945. ),
Winston Churchill (who, even though he had nothing left to fight with, inspired England to resist Hitler and remain sovereign. And is one of the most eloquent speakers of the 20th century),
Joseph Stalin (for many of the same reasons as Hitler. Stalin, and reaction to Stalin, re-shaped the world into its present form, but at an enormous human cost)
Ronald Reagan (who by "peace through strength" changed the landscape of Europe and Russia, without a shot being fired, and who inspired the U.S. to rebuild itself from within, economically, militarily, and spiritually, and restored the U.S. as a great nation again )
For the 21st century, I'd pick Bill Gates, for the innovations that have united the world economically, and revolutionized commerce and communication.
To answer your second question, Rob, I have no problem with an entertainer being selected as person of the century.
Although more subtlely, entertainers change the world too, inspire us, and unquestionably make the world a better place. I think part of Reagan's appeal (and Schwarzenegger's as well) is that they are entertainers, beyond their other achievements.
Elvis arguably unites the world, as do The Beatles, Madonna, U-2, and many others. As do Jack Kirby comics, Disney movies, Humprey Bogart, Clint Eastwood, Julia Roberts, Meryl Streep, and a million other entertainers with their creations.
These shared cultural icons give a common experience to people of vastly different cultures.
And that, no question, brings the world together and makes it a better place.
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His use of black music opened the door for mainstream acceptance of black artists, which helped open the door for the whole civil rights mvement.
Is it possible for you to be more wrong? Elvis might have creeked the door open a little further, but the door was opened in the days of Jazz, long before he struck a note.
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Is it possible for you to be more wrong? Elvis might have creeked the door open a little further, but the door was opened in the days of Jazz, long before he struck a note.
Prior to the rock and roll era, black musicians were largely segregated from white listeners.
Jazz was played in Harlem clubs, not on the radio.
It wasn't until rock and roll that you began to regularly hear "negro music" played on radio aimed for white teenagers.
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well, michael... i like debating.
Indeed. Rob is the masturdebator.
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But seriously folks...
I can't narrow it down to one person. Like DaveTWB, I have candidates.
Hitler. If we're talking sheer influence over the lives of billions, Hitler's at the top. His actions shaped just about every aspect of post-war politics and allowed for a deeper understanding of World War I and its effects.
Freud. Despite being dead for over 60 years, his theories of development, sexuality, and personality continue to influence psychological theory.
Einstein. E=mc2. Need I say more?
FDR. He employed Socialism to save Capitalism.
The Beatles. Tough to give them the nod over Elivs, but since they wrote their own songs, I have to. Popular culture has a "before" and "after" point, and that fulcrum is the Beatles.
Babe Ruth. The most enduring sports figure of the 20th Century.
Gandhi. Civil disobedience
MLK. Civil rights.
Mother Teresa. The enduring face of 20th Century altruism.
I can probably think of others equally deserving...
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Oh, I apologize. I forgot to answer the second part of the MasturDebator's question...
I don't know about "insulted," but I wouldn't find it appropriate to designate an entertainer as Person Of the Century. I have nothing against entertainers, and am one myself on some weekends when the band's playing, but I think we should denote worthier candidates.
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Prior to the rock and roll era, black musicians were largely segregated from white listeners.
Jazz was played in Harlem clubs, not on the radio.
It wasn't until rock and roll that you began to regularly hear "negro music" played on radio aimed for white teenagers.
That's not true at all.
American jazz, in all its forms (Early, Swing, Boom, Bebop, etc.), was huge from the 1920s on, and had countless fans both black and white. Musicians such as Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman, Billie Holiday, and Paul Whiteman toured all across the United States during the early days of jazz.
To say that white audiences did not listen to "negro music" until later is a HUGE misconceptual error. You're ignoring the flappers, New Orleans, the vaudeville shows, the beboppers, the cakewalk, the shimmy, and Betty Boop, etc. etc., blah, blah, blah. Heck, Minnie Mouse loved jazz.
There's a reason the 1920s is known as the Jazz Age.
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I'm inclined to say Woodrow Wilson or FDR. I know that's American-centric. WW initiated the League of Nations...saved Europes ass the first time, and initiated the Federal Reserve. FDR was a major force in saving the World's ass, got rid of gold/silver as a monetary basis in the US and all the social programs and international programs he willingly/unwillingly started.
I don't agree with all the programs and initiatives started by the 2, but they had the greatest influence in such a wide array of ways. Social, militarily, political and economically. Name 2 other men who achieved so many influential policies.
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I think jazz broke down some barriers, but it wasn't until rock and roll that the integration REALLY began.
Jazz was 'accepted' primarily on the coasts and northeast, not the rest of the country.
Remember, the whole reason that Sun Records hired Elvis in the first place was that they wanted a white singer who sounded black. The reason being that black artists could not get played on a lot of radio stations, or play in major venues, in the south.
It wasn't until Elvis that the door in "flyover" country opened for black musicians to get anything near the equal treatment of their white counterparts.
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I have to say FDR. Capitalism was about to fail. At the same time, in the young Soviet Union, communism appeared to be thriving. The communists thought they were going to win. They thought the capitalist United States would fall, and in it's place, a superior communist society would rise. Thank God for President Roosevelt. He was called a communist by his oponents, and why? Because he changed the way the government operated with response to capitalism. That's the short version, anyway. He was a unique thinker at a time when staunch censervatism wouldn't cut it. (I use the term conservatism as meaning sticking with the status quo, nothing more.) The New Deal put America back on the right track. Yes, the war helped, there is no doubt about that, but the US was beginning to see a positive return, a slow one, but a positive one, before the war. Anyway, as President Roosevelt lead this great nation back up, away from the depression, things went terribly wrong in Soviet Russia. (Somewhere in these events is also a great argument that there really is a God, but that's another argument, for a different thread.)
To sum it all up, FDR saved capitalism, and by doing that, he saved the free world. Had the US fallen then, Hitler probably would have won the war, and the world would only be populated by blonde haired and blue eyed "aryans," with any "lesser race" still around to serve them as slaves (that was Hitler's intentention, at least with the Slavic people).
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I'm going out on a limb here, but two of my candidates would be Billy Mitchell and Wernher von Braun. Mitchell flew in the face of all his contemporaries by suggesting that air power was how future wars would be won. Nobody in America listened to him, but Hideki Tojo and Hermann Goering certainly paid attention. Marshall was ultimately court-martialed for his defiant insistence that the military listen to his theories, but he got the last laugh - WWII, at least in Europe, was almost certainly decided in the air, and it was a pair of Boeing B-29 Superfortress bombers, Enola Gay and Bock's Car, that ended the war by dropping atomic bombs on Japan. The history of air power in the twentieth century is Mitchell's legacy, the ultimate 'I told you so' from a man who didn't live to see his life's work change the world.
Von Braun was one of the greatest geniuses of the 20th century. He picked up where Robert Goddard and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky left off and developed the most powerful rockets the world had ever seen. Much is made of von Braun's role in the London blitz, but few people realize that von Braun was in many respects much like Oskar Schindler - he employed Jewish workers in his production facilities that would otherwise have gone to the death camps, he never joined the Nazi Party, he stopped just short of designing rockets with enough destructive power to alter the course of the war, and his Peenemunde factory was a model of under-production. In early 1945, von Braun and his team defected to the United States, which made the entire American space program possible. Von Braun and his associates designed and built everything from the eighty-foot Redstone rocket that put the first American satellites and the first American astronaut into space to the 363-foot Saturn V rocket that carried twelve men to the surface of the moon between 1969 and 1972. Before his death, Wernher von Braun had a hand in the development of the space shuttle and early plans for American space stations. Almost every significant American accomplishment in the Space Age was, directly or indirectly, the result of von Braun's work, and no discussion of the twentieth century is complete without him.
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In early 1945, von Braun and his team defected to the United States, which made the entire American space program possible.
I believe he was whisked out of Germany by US Army who worried he would fall too easily into Soviet hands...
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Yeah. He and his team packed up and ran across the line into US-held territory and surrendered there. Essentially defecting. But thanks for making me go look it up again. Helps to double-check this stuff once in a while.
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I think the person of the century is Willie Nelson, because his name is Willie Nelson and that's a funny name. Second place is Magic Johnson.
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Dude, he was born in year "0".
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But he only got famous in the 60's!
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Smoking sham with the Beatles, and storming the stage at Woodstock.
MisterJLA is RACKing awesome.
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"Bob Hope"?
Jesus Christ, Rob. He wasn't even well known outside the US for most of the century.
Its hard to pick one person. Queen Victoria of England was undoubtedly Person of the Century in the 1900s.
Lenin undoubtedly affect a large part of the world, from 1917 to 1989. Hitler's influence really only lasted 10 years or so. Stalin and Mao were only influential on the world stage for 30-40 years. FDR was only 12 years, and Gorbachev only 4 years.
I'm tempted to say John Maynard Keynes. This is the man who invented macroeconomics.
Let me think about this.....
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Dave said:
"Bob Hope"?
Jesus Christ, Rob. He wasn't even well known outside the US for most of the century.
jesus christ was very well known!
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as for bob hope, i guess i was thinking more of a "if you lived in the states/west" kinda thing, in the same vein of "best music video of the century."
not wanting, necessarily, to limit the answers, just really a "how the fuck would i know" perspective.
then again, if this was purely about popular global recognition, i'd imagine the winner would be a famous chinese or indian leader.
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Rue de Nocturne said:
Dude, he was born in year "0".
Actually, it was 5 B.C.
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Wednesday said:
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Rue de Nocturne said:
Dude, he was born in year "0".
Actually, it was 5 B.C.
Yeah, there was no year 0 plus we lost a few years somewhere along the way. damn calenders....
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Wednesday said:
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Rue de Nocturne said:
Dude, he was born in year "0".
Actually, it was 5 B.C.
Ten points to Wednesday.
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a few more of those and i'll be even  .
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Rob Kamphausen said:
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Dave said:
"Bob Hope"?
Jesus Christ, Rob. He wasn't even well known outside the US for most of the century.
jesus christ was very well known!
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as for bob hope, i guess i was thinking more of a "if you lived in the states/west" kinda thing, in the same vein of "best music video of the century."
Best C&W music video of the century, my friend.
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